Wout Weghorst

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sglowrider said:
They have the option of buying him. And considering how well he has played for them they would have exercised that option of £10mill.
What would you do if you are them?
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You can't buy a player that doesn't want to play for you. I think it's pretty obvious to all what Wout wants, so the buy option is irrelevant. Negotiate with us and Burnley and get it done with.
 
Okey said:
You can't buy a player that doesn't want to play for you. I think it's pretty obvious to all what Wout wants, so the buy option is irrelevant. Negotiate with us and Burnley and get it done with.
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They can't negotiate directly with us. We have to do it with Burnley and Burnley with them. And they will all want a cut or compensation. That's where the negotiations will drag out.
The more desperate we appear the higher the compensation
 
Besiktas are making this super awk with their cock-blocking politricking. Wout said goodbye to the fans already, it's pretty much official.
 
sglowrider said:
They can't negotiate directly with us. We have to do it with Burnley and Burnley with them. And they will all want a cut or compensation. That's where the negotiations will drag out.
The more desperate we appear the higher the compensation
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I understand, but loan recalls are never big fees. Shouldn't really take long. No need being obstructive if the player is already set on the move.
 
Just gotta hope that Turkish source saying he's willing to pay the loan termination fee out of his own pocket is reliable
 
Okey said:
I understand, but loan recalls are never big fees. Shouldn't really take long. No need being obstructive if the player is already set on the move.
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He is clearly seen as a success at Istanbul. It would cost Besiktas £ 10 million as the option to buy which is a bargain considering his success there. Now they have to get an alternative which will imply some risk and maybe more costly a replacement. Clearly, the Turks think this its unfair since its obvious that ETH tapped him up nearly a month ago.
Also I have seen reports that there wasn't some recall fee. I think Burnley wanted to get rid of him -- possibly because they couldn't afford his wages in the Championship or he was disruptive within the squad.

They will want compensation for both those two reasons.
 
Grande said:
These two don’t quite add up. I’d go with the latter one, based on my altercations with the Dutch.

Vote Ve(hoarse rasping)orrst?
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Being of Dutch origin myself, I can tell you that it's definitely not pronounced like English 'v'. :)
 
SinNombre said:
Wout is a pressing monster. Again that in itself doesn't mean much.

Most Premier League Pressures per 90
PLAYERPRESSURES
Wout Weghorst33.2
Kalvin Phillips28.7
Sean Longstaff27.3
Allan26.7
Mathias Jensen26.2
Pierre Lees-Melou26
Connor Gallagher25.6
Mateusz Klich25.3
Fred24.8
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Weghorst leading the line with Bruno and Fred behind him. The amount of recoveries, interceptions and then subsequent ball losses straight back to the opposition, rinse and repeat :drool:
 
sglowrider said:
He is clearly seen as a success at Istanbul. It would cost Besiktas £ 10 million as the option to buy which is a bargain considering his success there. Now they have to get an alternative which will imply some risk and maybe more costly a replacement. Clearly, the Turks think this its unfair since its obvious that ETH tapped him up nearly a month ago.
Also I have seen reports that there wasn't some recall fee. I think Burnley wanted to get rid of him -- possibly because they couldn't afford his wages in the Championship or he was disruptive within the squad.

They will want compensation for both those two reasons.
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He had a clause in his contract that he could go out on loan if Burnley were relegated so it wouldn’t endanger his World Cup spot.
 
sglowrider said:
Several factors you need to consider:

1. I doubt if they had anticipated having to tear up the Ronaldo agreement right before the World Cup -- and needing to find a replacement in December. The cnut has to take the blame for this.
2. I suspect ETH has a very specific type of players he has in mind during transfer windows. Our scouting team is new and they are probably coming to terms with what ETH wants. So I am sure there are plenty of strikers in their database. But not many that suit what ETH is looking for in December that's available.
3. We are skint so there aren't many choices you can afford (at usually a premium) in January.
4. The Glazers are selling -- so anyone in their shoes will not be willing to splurge for an investment that you will not see any returns on.

So as far as planning, its all work in progress since ETH only got here at United some 6 months and a bit ago. And when you consider all those factors and have a Venn diagram we are left with very specific options -- we have to thread a needle to find the one that ETH wants and needs.
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Gakpo was clearly his first choice. We couldn't even tap up the player from Holland before the window?
 
McGrathsipan said:
Your opinion is based on not watching him closely or a lot? Yet you utterly slate him.

Ok.
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I meant I do remember watching him play, obviously I tend to watch a player linked to manutd more closely, but otherwise I remember watching him play and thinking to myself the things I mentioned in my previous post. Time will tell, feck do I know about football anyway, I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Gakpo was clearly his first choice. We couldn't even tap up the player from Holland before the window?
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Was he? It was almost unanimous that Gakpo wouldn't make sense since there were enough right-footed LW in the squad. Wout makes a lot more sense than Gakpo.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Gakpo was clearly his first choice. We couldn't even tap up the player from Holland before the window?
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These threads are suddenly turning into huge regrets over Gakpo and Felix which doesn't make things any better at all
 
sglowrider said:
And both players who do not fulfil the gaps within the squad.
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They would have given us the chance to rotate some of the wide players and likes of Bruno during this crazy schedule. Now I feel we have to make a utility loan signing AND Weghorst
 
Wouter-Chaka
Wouter Wouter Wouter-Chaka
Wouter Wouter Wouter-Chaka
Wouter Wouter Wouter-Chaka

I can't stop this feeling
Deep inside of me
Wout, you just don't realize
Wout you do to me
 
If Besiktas have agreed a season long loan then they must be entitled compensation if that is cut short.
If we had a player on a season long loan and he was tearing it up for us and then a top club wanted him halfway through it I am sure we would be up in arms over it.
 
I think this is a shrewd move, would I have gone for him…..no as honestly apart from his games in the World Cup I hadn’t heard of him really. But……if ETH wants him then that’s all I need to hear as he has gotten more right than wrong, his pressing from the front is in the high percentile which is what we badly need. Hardly any of our front players really press high and sustained, he will do that and will create/ score chances.
 
Bondi77 said:
If Besiktas have agreed a season long loan then they must be entitled compensation if that is cut short.
If we had a player on a season long loan and he was tearing it up for us and then a top club wanted him halfway through it I am sure we would be up in arms over it.
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TheReligion said:
We will be talking with Burnley.

It’s also why Besiktas don’t hold any power here. The player isn’t there’s nor will he stay at them.
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Lyon refused Emerson Palmieri recalled by Chelsea last season. Besiktas probably have the same power.
 
Cheimoon said:
Being of Dutch origin myself, I can tell you that it's definitely not pronounced like English 'v'. :)
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I’m surprised, as when I hear Dutch pronunciation of words like woord, wapen, wekker, I hear very clearly the closed lip-vs-tooth-sound and the voice, the labiodental voiced fricative that is noted as ‘v’ in phonemes and in English is normally written by the letter v as in vote. Not at all as the English pronounce the letter w, which is a rounded vowel, almost like a short ‘o’. The letter v in Dutch seems mostly to be expressed as a semi-voiced, semi-breathed fricative, somewhere between ‘v’ and ‘f’. I’m not sure the sound is used in British English apart from in word combinations like ‘i love fish’.

This, and what the other (Dutch?) poster wrotes, seems to me to go together with the following:

https://www.heardutchhere.net/DutchPronunciation.html#W

From which I’d expect Wout to be pronounced more or less like v-out using English pronunciation.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
United spent the last 6 months working on identifying a move that relies on Burnley and Besiktas wanting to do us a favour.

We are bottom percentile for planning surely, in the world of football.

Every decision maker deserves sacking there for this. Could cost us a chance of a trophy.

I actually like Weghorst and he would've only been loaned out due to his wages I bet. They'd want him back if they go up.

But to not have players and clubs lines up for moves before the window started when you're in the position we're in is poor again.
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Oh bore off.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Gakpo was clearly his first choice. We couldn't even tap up the player from Holland before the window?
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1. How do you know Gakpo was his first choice?
2. First choice at what?
3. How do you know we didn’t tap up Gakpo?

My best guesstimation is that we were interested in Gakpo in the summer, but prioritized Antony. We might still have been interested after that, but would not have money for it.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
United spent the last 6 months working on identifying a move that relies on Burnley and Besiktas wanting to do us a favour.

We are bottom percentile for planning surely, in the world of football.

Every decision maker deserves sacking there for this. Could cost us a chance of a trophy.

I actually like Weghorst and he would've only been loaned out due to his wages I bet. They'd want him back if they go up.

But to not have players and clubs lines up for moves before the window started when you're in the position we're in is poor again.
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I pity people like you who do nothing but make miserable posts constantly.
 
How the hell did we manage to drag ourselves in such a mess again... I absolutely understand Besiktas and why there are not willing to play ball.
 
Grande said:
1. How do you know Gakpo was his first choice?
2. First choice at what?
3. How do you know we didn’t tap up Gakpo?

My best guesstimation is that we were interested in Gakpo in the summer, but prioritized Antony. We might still have been interested after that, but would not have money for it.
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I think that’s exactly what happened
 
Bondi77 said:
He had a clause in his contract that he could go out on loan if Burnley were relegated so it wouldn’t endanger his World Cup spot.
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This needs to be repeated every second page. Is there no way that key thread info such as this can be somehow 'pinned' to the thread to avoid having to repeat it so often? Question for site admin people really.
 
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