[Lentwood]

The most damning thing for me is that his limitations have a major negative impact on his teammates. So many times we had the opportunity to start a fast counter or turn the Newcastle back four with a pass but the player in possession chose not to make it because we have Weghorst at CF.

This is what often gets overlooked. At every level from Sunday League to Premier League, you know which of your teammates are c**p and not up to it, and it can have a major impact on how the rest of the team play.

The same actually applies to De Gea in goal.His limitations and the fact that our defenders are very conscious of them makes him a huge problem

 

[lex talionis]

I wish it was just an average bad performance. If passes just don't come off or shots are uncharacteristically wide one could at least hold on to the consolation the next game will be different. With Wout what we're seeing is what we're getting, what we've been getting and what we will continue to get.

I think most of us are in agreement that Wout isn't anywhere near the level expected of a United striker. He's rightly earned praise for his work ethic, but he's neither a scorer or creator in the position that demands that one be at least one of the two.

We have other threads on this general topic, but I'll just say here that we're not going to bring Wout back and that, as we look into the summer transfer window, we need to be thinking about acquiring two strikers, as I don't see much in Martial's game that offers us any hope of being satisfied with just acquiring just one striker. Martial can be third on the depth chart at CF and third at LW if we can't find someone to take him on a free transfer.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

There have been games where his work rate was enough to give him a good performance. And there is definitely no doubting his work rate. But that's where it all ends for him. For a big man, he's horrible in the air. Actually, I shouldn't say that. To be horrible you have to at least challenge for some headers. I've never seen a guy so big who is literally zero threat around the 6 yard box. He's just not good enough. And it's not just his lack of scoring. His hold up play is horrible too. When Martial came on yesterday the difference was night and day. I appreciate what Wout is trying to do for us, but at this point I'd rather see Elanga get a chance in the #9 if Martial can't stay fit...

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Some of our fans deserve mediocrity. The mental gymnasts I've seen in this thread to defend him are insane.

 

[Josh 76]

Some of our fans deserve mediocrity. The mental gymnasts I've seen in this thread to defend him are insane.

He’s a good honest lad.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Some of our fans deserve mediocrity. The mental gymnasts I've seen in this thread to defend him are insane.

Him, McTominay, and a whole host of others that should never be playing for a side looking to compete for trophies and titles. Too much romanticizing of passion and work rate these days, I guess because it reminds them of the warriors like Keane that we used to have? But it's like people forget that Keane was also a world class CM not just some tackling passion merchant.

 

[owlo]

Feel like he's actually regressed quite significantly. I'd love to see some of his stats from his first 5 or 10 games compared to his last 5 or 10.

We obviously shouldn't be signing him permanently, even as a backup.

 

[Bastian]

Yes, he's not good enough. No we should not pursue signing him. We all agree. Has there been further discussion than that?

It seems to me that players don't try to find him on the rare occasions we're in the final third and he's the best option in the box. Do others notice that? I'm not moralising just wondering if they all think it's a higher percentage to take a tricky shot than lay it off to him.

 

[kouroux]

Feel like he's actually regressed quite significantly. I'd love to see some of his stats from his first 5 or 10 games compared to his last 5 or 10.

We obviously shouldn't be signing him permanently, even as a backup.

Which stats ? Cause goalscoring ones won't help you anyway

 

[owlo]

Which stats ? Cause goalscoring ones won't help you anyway

More how much he's running/intercepting/harrassing and breaking up play from the front and also distance covered/90 mins. He was never any good at putting the ball in the back of the net, but I felt at the start he was putting in 120% effort and being a menace at least. Perhaps a new signing bias, but honestly thought he was decent at that stuff.

 

[United Hobbit]

It's so concerning seeing comments he could be here next season. Where he needs to be is back at Burnley, now.

It's concerning there's no youth striker who could do better. Surely there's one who could at least create chances rather than blunder around the pitch. I didn't like Fellaini but he could at least head the damn ball and get some goals

ETH defending him like he's the 2nd coming is concerning. I could show passion if I was picked to play for Manchester United when I clearly was
not good enough and I'd work my backside off every game. I'm sure anyone on this forum could. Doesn't mean any of us are good enough, these should not be the stand out attributes for a player at Manchester United, they should be the bare minimum.

It's concerning the Glazers may be here next season in which case we could be stuck with Wout

The scouting is concerning. Why are we not unearthing diamonds in the rough who would surely do better

Martials inability to stay fit is a major problem, but I'll be furious if WW continues to start for the short period of time Tony will be available

WW must absolutely not be here next season. If we spend money on him, when he's so so far below the required standard it'll show we haven't learnt anything. If we are looking for a backup, as I'd like to think we will sign a starting striker, what about someone like Firmimo who can at least score PL goals.

It's becoming embarrassing at this point with regards to WW. It'll be even more embarrassing if we sign him permanently when he's shown he's nowhere near good enough. I'd rather have Fellaini back. Even Ighalo contributed with goals, and also didn't start every single game

 

[Cassidy]

We've had Pellestri, Bruno, Garnacho, Sancho, Antony and Rashford as options for 3/4 positions.

So there's really been no need for him to start every game.

Sancho has been piss poor and Pellestri whilst a prospect has not shown much yet. Antony aside from Rashford is the only attacker playing well (and even then fans don’t rate him that much)

We know what ETH wants from the number 9 and we don’t have it. Hes tried Sancho at 10 by the way. Weghorst isn’t good enough, thats pretty clear. We have alot of players missing though especially missing both Eriksen and Casemiro (2 of the 3 most important signings) has been the major issue

 

[stevoc]

Sancho has been piss poor and Pellestri whilst a prospect has not shown much yet. Antony aside from Rashford is the only attacker playing well (and even then fans don’t rate him that much)

We know what ETH wants from the number 9 and we don’t have it. Hes tried Sancho at 10 by the way. Weghorst isn’t good enough, thats pretty clear. We have alot of players missing though especially missing both Eriksen and Casemiro (2 of the 3 most important signings) has been the major issue

Well Weighorst certainly isn't providing it, that's clear for all to see.

Sancho hasn't been great granted but still infinitely better than Wout he has the same amount of goals from half the games since his return. And even if you discount Sancho and Pellestri for some odd reason that still leaves Rashford, Garnacho, Bruno, and Antony. So there's been absolutely no valid reason for Weighorst to start every single game. And if he was only starting up front that would be fair enough but he's been started as a no10 as well. At Anfield we shuffled Rashford and Bruno around just to shoehorn Wout into the side.

ETH has got almost every decision spot on in his time at United but persevering with Weighorst has been a big mistake that could yet cost us big time.

 

[King Kendrick]

And I was given so much shit for laughing at his signing in his transfer thread …

 

[Cassidy]

Well Weighorst certainly isn't providing it, that's clear for all to see.

Sancho hasn't been great granted but still infinitely better than Wout he has the same amount of goals from half the games since his return. And even if you discount Sancho and Pellestri for some odd reason that still leaves Rashford, Garnacho, Bruno, and Antony. So there's been absolutely no valid reason for Weighorst to start every single game. And if he was only starting up front that would be fair enough but he's been started as a no10 as well. At Anfield we shuffled Rashford and Bruno around just to shoehorn Wout into the side.

ETH has got almost every decision spot on in his time at United but persevering with Weighorst has been a big mistake that could yet cost us big time

I’m not arguing Weghorst is. Im simply saying the other options (which he has tried here and there e.g Sancho in the 10, started Garnacho against Leeds etc) haven’t worked. Its also hasn’t helped that we have had issues at rb and midfield at the same time. Pretty sure Martial takes his place as an actual viable alternative if he stays fit.

Also thats the problem Sancho is not infinitely better on the pitch, because he ruins most of what we do with his lack of tactical discipline. Which could be forgiven if he is actually producing/playing well but he isn’t.

I agree Weghorst is a massive problem, Im simply saying we have had alot of them lately and the wider issue is the lack of trusted options in the squad

 

[Lee565]

He has completely killed my enthusiasm in watching united this season, I don't see myself watching another game this season if I see him announced in the starting line up as I know it will likely be another match of us playing like we are already a man down on the pitch, I can't remember another player making feel this disillusioned in watching a united/England like he has done.

It's amazing that the match day going fans have been happy to jump on the likes of Fred, mctominay and Maguire but haven't done the same with this guy when at least the other players have put in good performances in occasions and even score more goals in a season than what wout can manage to do.

 

[stevoc]

I’m not arguing Weghorst is. Im simply saying the other options (which he has tried here and there e.g Sancho in the 10, started Garnacho against Leeds etc) haven’t worked. Its also hasn’t helped that we have had issues at rb and midfield at the same time. Pretty sure Martial takes his place as an actual viable alternative if he stays fit.

Also thats the problem Sancho is not infinitely better on the pitch, because he ruins most of what we do with his lack of tactical discipline. Which could be forgiven if he is actually producing/playing well but he isn’t.

I agree Weghorst is a massive problem, Im simply saying we have had alot of them lately and the wider issue is the lack of trusted options in the squad

Sancho had like what 45-60 minutes as a no 10? How many has Weghorst had in the same position?

Weghorst has played no9 and no10 and hasn't worked out in either position let's be honest. Of the two Sancho is infinitely better at no10 as he can actually control a ball and pass. Rashford is better at no9 and as I say we had Sancho and Garnacho to cover for him on the left.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have started Weghorst at all over the last 3 months. But it's a stretch to suggest we had to play him every single game due to lack of options. We've had the options but ETH has chose not to use them.

 

[SirReginald]

And I was given so much shit for laughing at his signing in his transfer thread …

That’s because he was greeted like a World class signing, even though he has stat padded in what CAF associates as farmers leagues. He is the Aldi Peter Crouch and they got what they paid for. Granted there was no decent forwards up for grabs in January but signing a player out of his depth is not a credible solution. United would be up with the top 2 had they signed a striker back in the summer.

 

[phenry]

It looks like Wout is an ego project for EtH who is trying to prove a point. There's no way that there is no better option

 

[stevoc]

That’s because he was greeted like a World class signing, even though he has stat padded in what CAF associates as farmers leagues. He is the Aldi Peter Crouch and they got what they paid for. Granted there was no decent forwards up for grabs in January but signing a player out of his depth is not a credible solution. United would be up with the top 2 had they signed a striker back in the summer.

Yep between them Martial 3, Ronaldo 1 and Weghorst 0 have 4 goals from 29 games. Even if we had signed a decent striker in January that chipped in with 4-5 league goals we'd probably only be 3-4 points off City.

 

[Hughes35]

That's very not telling statistic, without saying how many shots he has taken in total? One is 3 out of 1000 the othe is 3 out of 10

It shows he is never in a position to score..... And when he is, he doesn't hit the target.

It's a very poor stat.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Him playing as a striker for United is just one of those things that just should/would never happen in reality, which is why he had a fit when scored that last goal, which was a pretty crap goal to be honest. And can people stop going on about how he’s so likeable works hard gives is all before admitting he is shit. It’s the last part that matters, likeable and works hard we can give him a job in the megastore.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Him playing as a striker for United is just one of those things that just should/would never happen in reality, which is why he had a fit when scored that last goal, which was a pretty crap goal to be honest. And can people stop going on about how he’s so likeable works hard gives is all before admitting he is shit. It’s the last part that matters, likeable and works hard we can give a job in the megastore.

Another reason to hate the Glazers and their lack of vision was the lack of funds in January when we were really on a roll but post Ronaldo really needed something. Having said that, ETH needs to work the squad and find a starting 11 that doesnt include this useless lump. He is beyond a parody

 

[DavelinaJolie]

<glib>
We went from a Striker who could only score goals and nothing else, to a striker who does everything else but can't score goals
</glib>

 

[Idxomer]

<glib>
We went from a Striker who could only score goals and nothing else, to a striker who does everything else but can't score goals
</glib>

I don't think either of those things applies to Ronaldo and Weghorst this season.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Ten Hag obviously has a reason he plays Weghorst up front every game… I just really cannot work out what that reason is. Could anyone say?

Thought he were much better and looked more dangerous when we started playing Rashford up front (saves his legs too)

 

[Devil81]

I enjoyed his early energy upon arrival but the pressure of playing for a club above his ability is now starting to weigh heavily on the guys shoulders.

Take him out of the firing line tomorrow in my opinion.

 

[Hughie77]

Seems a cracking lad, with a good personality, but when the side struggles he realy struggles...

Needs to be not playing tomorrow.. for his sake..

 

[Blood Mage]

This guy is the poster boy for Glazernomics. The sooner the club is sold the sooner we can celebrate the fact that we'll never see such a poor footballer in a United shirt again (hopefully).

 

[Cassidy]

Of the two Sancho is infinitely better at no10 as he can actually control a ball and pass.

On paper but its not what we see on the pitch

 

[Abhinav]

Frustrated that EtH continues to start him when it has been proven that this experiment has run its course. Not sure what he is seeing, choosing to see when he says that the team plays better with Wout in it. Rather play Rashford up top, Antony/ Pellistri, on the right and Sancho on the left. It won’t transform the attack but maybe it will give us a fighting chance to start on a even footing.
Hopefully Martial can stay fit and keep Wout on the bench.
Nothing against the guy but it is a level too high for him.

 

[jem]

It looks like Wout is an ego project for EtH who is trying to prove a point. There's no way that there is no better option

I think Wout sucks but I think you are inferring a bit too freely with regards to ETH's ego. The options are pretty limited (at least they were while Martial was out): playing Rashford down the middle means taking him out of the position in which he's thrived. Furthermore, moving Marcus into the middle would mean starting either Garnacho (pre-injury) on the wing, despite the fact that he's been far more effective as a game-changing sub (and is still very young), or playing Sancho there, a player who, in my opinion, has been almost as underwhelming as Wout. Other options would include starting Elanga in the middle (hardly an inspiring thought) or the much-discussed idea of McTominay up front, which is a speculative notion at best.

If Martial is fit and ready to go and ETH persists with Wout, then I think he will rightly be criticized for being stubborn. However, until now, I think his hand has been largely forced.

 

[Gordon Godot]

I think Wout sucks but I think you are inferring a bit too freely with regards to ETH's ego. The options are pretty limited (at least they were while Martial was out): playing Rashford down the middle means taking him out of the position in which he's thrived. Furthermore, moving Marcus into the middle would mean starting either Garnacho (pre-injury) on the wing, despite the fact that he's been far more effective as a game-changing sub (and is still very young), or playing Sancho there, a player who, in my opinion, has been almost as underwhelming as Wout. Other options would include starting Elanga in the middle (hardly an inspiring thought) or the much-discussed idea of McTominay up front, which is a speculative notion at best.

If Martial is fit and ready to go and ETH persists with Wout, then I think he will rightly be criticized for being stubborn. However, until now, I think his hand has been largely forced.

I disagree. Whatever the motivations the Wout experiment has now clearly failed and is harming the team. Elanga can run around jsut as much and at least wins some headers and may be more of a threat. We are currently playing with 10 men. It needs to stop. Its a real worry if he starts again

 

[jem]

I disagree. Whatever the motivations the Wout experiment has now clearly failed and is harming the team. Elanga can run around jsut as much and at least wins some headers and may be more of a threat. We are currently playing with 10 men. It needs to stop. Its a real worry if he starts again

Oh don't get me wrong, I think it needs to end. I just disagree with people saying that it's some kind of ETH vanity project. The guy has struck me as being nothing but pragmatic during his first season here.

 

[united_99]

Him, McTominay, and a whole host of others that should never be playing for a side looking to compete for trophies and titles. Too much romanticizing of passion and work rate these days, I guess because it reminds them of the warriors like Keane that we used to have? But it's like people forget that Keane was also a world class CM not just some tackling passion merchant.

With this guy it’s not even passion, it’s just disbelief when he occasionally does something remotely useful. Like he can’t believe he did it / just won a lottery.
I mean this guy celebrated a meaningless goal to make the score 4-1 more than Ole celebrated his treble winning goal.

 

[jem]

With this guy it’s not even passion, it’s just disbelief when he occasionally does something remotely useful. Like he can’t believe he did it / just won a lottery.
I mean this guy celebrated a meaningless goal to make the score 4-1 more than Ole celebrated his treble winning goal.

I think there are more than enough reasons to legitimately criticize Weghorst without resorting to needless one (ie. his goal celebration, which nobody seemed to have a problem with at the time.)

 

[united_99]

I think there are more than enough reasons to legitimately criticize Weghorst without resorting to needless one (ie. his goal celebration, which nobody seemed to have a problem with at the time.)

Yeah most were happy for him because he is a lovable guy or something. But I really couldn’t care less about him being lovable. Would much prefer him being a decent footballer.

 

[jem]

Yeah most were happy for him because he is a lovable guy or something. But I really couldn’t care less about him being lovable. Would much prefer him being a decent footballer.

Me too - but I think there was nothing wrong with his celebration.

 

[stevoc]

On paper but its not what we see on the pitch

Maybe that's what you're seeing mate but it isn't what I'm seeing. If Sancho had had 19 starts in a row like Weighorst has just had he'd have more goals and assists than Wout. He's already on the same amount of goals from about 1/4 of the starts since January.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Yeah most were happy for him because he is a lovable guy or something. But I really couldn’t care less about him being lovable. Would much prefer him being a decent footballer.

I don't even understand what makes him lovable. Is it just that he's huge and so bad that it's like fans look at him like a baby horse just stumbling around and think he's cute? "Awe look how happy he is running about".

Christ the way fans talk about him you'd think he was a Make a Wish kid. "So happy for him!" "Love our Weggy, he's not the most gifted but he gives it his all!"