I just think it’s an indictment of our academy that we seem incapable of producing players of even Weghorst’s mediocre abilities ourselves. Either that or we’re unwilling to take a serious punt on any of them. But saying that, most of our academy products seem to be skinny midgets at the moment.
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Thank god its only a loan, he's not suited for this level.
I think we’ve seen enough of him as a starter. I’d rather have someone out of position up front.
He could have an effect as an impact sub.
He could have an effect as an impact sub.
Read this thread. Also all manner of put-downs, like the Carthorse pun, saying he makes Maguire look like a silky player, how he's not even Championship quality etc. I mean, the dude is not Zlatan, but he's a loan signing, he's still getting acclimated to the team, and he's giving it his all. No one expected him to bang in hat tricks, so why not just trust the manager, let Weghorst do what he can, and focus on how much we've improved? (not directed at you, btw.)
Yeh he weakens us. Start Rashford up top now.
I'm not really a huge fan, but I actually thought he did some good work in build up and then made late runs into the box, just was too slow and the team wasn't really looking for him on cutbacks or balls played sideways to him near the top of the box. He was visibly frustrated, presumably that was what a lot of his non-headed goals in the Bundesliga looked like, but our attackers aren't gonna focus on getting the ball back to him to finish off plays really, more so dribble and look for whoever makes the first run in the box. Ironically he probably scores if he plays more with Sancho, who tends to slow things down and then pick the right pass.
You read my post wrong. I meant people got the wrong idea of WW because last time he played against Maguire, he fooled Maguire into wrong direction for Burnley equalizer. WW looked silky.
Now addressing this post. While nobody expect him to score a hattrick, nor even to score at all; people expect sensible tactical contribution and not a hinderance to the team. He's 30, and had some PL experience. We have seen a bunch of stop gap 30+ year old forwards being signed, how quickly they adapted. Henrik Larson, Cavani, Michael Owen, Ighalo, Ronaldo... (Zlatan, RvP were in permanent main striker category). Easy to see their strong point. And if their strong point don't compensate for their weak point, they shouldn't play. No point in trying to develop a player who at best would sit on the bench after few months, or when other players are fit to play. If you need that much time to adapt, may as well do what LVG did by throwing academy kids in. For McNair, Tyler Blackett, CBJ p... failure, in the aftermath we may end up with serviceable players in Lingard, Rashford.
The manager can be wrong. ETH has been doing a great job. However, if he continues to make this kind of mistake where starting WW, shoehorn Rashford to right wing, which hinders our play, in important games like League Cup final; he may shoot himself in the foot in a long run. We improved a lot, but it's not like we're at Liverpool, Man City level 3-4 seasons ago. We can enjoy the improvement, but let's not kid ourselves that improvement can continue to be linear and we can afford to mess around. Less mistake when you can help, the better right now. He should want to put as much credit in the bank this season.
Right now Chelsea, Liverpool are a mess, but they may not be next year. Newcastle may improve, so may Tottenham. We may have to sacrifice League Cup, FA Cup for the reserve next year, so winning these domestic trophies now is as important as making sure we finish top 4 to qualify for CL.
The point being starting WW is a mistake. Can't fault his effort, but he's no help, and actually more of the hinderance. Martial's injury is no excuse because as flawed as Rashford up top, it's better than WW can offer. Playing Rashford on the right wing is even worse. WW was thought to be the type that you throw in at the end where opposition run out of stamina so they can't maintain their high press, or when we're afforded to rest our starting forwards. Throwing WW on to press, use his height in the boxes for our benefit.
Feel strange that some people refuse to see the obvious, and passively equate criticizing a mistake to distrust ETH as a manager. Was it wrong to point out playing Fred as no.6 was a mistake without hindsight (ETH spent pre season and first 2 games doing so. McTominay maybe worse as a player, happens to be a more suitable emergency no.6)? Or stating the obvious that Maguire is not suitable for a system with a high line? Evidence was there with the conceded goal against Melbourne friendly game. It took 2 defeat to put final nails on the coffin. Something can be too obvious that no amount of tactical tweak, or adaptation can change.
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First three games I thought he did well but the since then its been a pretty bad for the lad.
Still think others have been selfish with ball at times and not supplied him but his inability to create anything for himself that's the main issue.
He can run balls down all day long but at the end of the day he's a striker, he's judged on goals and he has 1. If he was missing chances I'd say at least he's getting chances but he's averaging a chance a game at the moment and that just isn't good enough.
Still think others have been selfish with ball at times and not supplied him but his inability to create anything for himself that's the main issue.
He can run balls down all day long but at the end of the day he's a striker, he's judged on goals and he has 1. If he was missing chances I'd say at least he's getting chances but he's averaging a chance a game at the moment and that just isn't good enough.
I tried to be open minded about a guy that looked a flop at Burnley but he is clearly hindering our attack, he is barely even a plan b from the bench due to his complete lack of aerial ability and is no target man like say how we used fellaini at times from the bench.
I see no reason why opposition defenders in the Premier league would be worried about facing him as he isn't going to bully them, he isn't going to outsmart them with movement in the box, he isn't going to turn them with the ball at his feet and he is definitely not going to get in behind them.
I see no reason why opposition defenders in the Premier league would be worried about facing him as he isn't going to bully them, he isn't going to outsmart them with movement in the box, he isn't going to turn them with the ball at his feet and he is definitely not going to get in behind them.
Let's be honest, he is pretty shite. Even Martial at 70% is better than him.
Hopefully cheaping out on him doesn't cost us.
It will. Even with how shit Ronaldo was playing I would still have expected him to finish the season with 10+ goals.
Between how shit Weghorst has been and Martial always being injured I just don’t see where the goals are going to come from if Rashford is off form.
He is an impact sub for the last 15 minutes when we throw balls into the box. Nothing more really.
He's doing fine given he's Wout Weghorst on a short term loan from Burnley.
The default position is that he isn't really good enough for Manchester United and my expectation is that we'll come away at the end of this deal thinking just that. No more, no less.
As long as we're able to secure top four as is, he'll have served his purpose.
The default position is that he isn't really good enough for Manchester United and my expectation is that we'll come away at the end of this deal thinking just that. No more, no less.
As long as we're able to secure top four as is, he'll have served his purpose.
There’s no way Ronaldo would have scored more than 3 goals in the league with the way he was playing - not to mention we’d be so much worse with him up top
Don’t let the 4 goals in Saudi fool you
Hmm I don't know, might have to do with the fact that he's insanely shit? Anybody denying that is just coping, simple as.
I’ve heard this so many times. The thing is, he’s crap in the air. I mean really crap.
I expected much more tbh. It bugs me the most that he is not in the chance at all. So far he had only few shots on the goal. I remember two headers and one or two shots.
It does not matter, he is a presence and causes chaos. Opportunities arise thereof
So far has played good games except for the last one. We can try Rashford through the middle, but he is more dangerous cutting in from the left. No other striker available, so there is a good chance he‘ll start.
He's a bargain basement signing, so I had no expectation but he was especially poor against Leeds. Offered nothing.
PL form since he's started for us, without any goals or assists from him it seems quite anti top 4 really. With a capable striker in his place I think we'd be closer to Arsenal than we are now.
I don't think it was his fault we didn't win those games.
PL form since he's started for us without any goals or assists from him, anti top 4 form really. With a capable striker I think we'd be closer to Arsenal than we are now.
Casemiro didn't also play in the 2 of the 3 we didn't win which is one of the bigger reasons why.
No doubt Casemiro was the biggest factor behind us not playing as well, but no input from Weghorst was a contributing factor too. So far he hasn't gelled with utd's style of play and the players (mainly Bruno) don't trust him enough to feed him balls to run onto.
Wouldn't be one if Martial good stay fit
The point exactly.
Think the time has come for Rashford through the middle & Sancho on the left. Wout would be a decent option from the bench but he’s beginning to look woefully average in extended outings.
Sancho is a player who could actually play him in. He has the skill and patience. I‘m going for Rashford Weghorst Sancho in my line up.
Current options permitting I’d be inclined to agree but if Antony were back I’d go for a fluid 3 with Wout from the bench.
I just don’t think he works for us in a starting role. I was actually quite excited by the option of him in limited spells.
I think he worked in every game except the last game. Makes good moves in the box but not enough service. Good backup.
Considering he is currently occupying a position that is surely going to be reviewed in the summer, I think he is doing a decent job. If you have no money to spend in january and the ST market is non existing, he is doing the most basic thing ETH is asking of his striker - working hard. Naturally, people think that a big a** striker is going to score goals with the right amount of service, but if i'm not mistaking, I think the commentator in the Leeds game said that Man Utd had the fewest crosses of all teams in the PL this season. His size makes him an asset when it comes to defensive set pieces.
I don't really think we can demand too much of this guy. He's working hard for the team, and we all know he is a temporary solution.
I don't really think we can demand too much of this guy. He's working hard for the team, and we all know he is a temporary solution.
He averaged a goal in every two games for Wolfsburg just over a year ago so that is not too shabby when you compare him to the amount of money that has been laid out for attacking players from the Bundesliga recently.
Hope he doesn't play tomorrow.
20-21 he scored at good rate which saw Wolfsburg getting CL football. But he'd already dropped off a cliff in the first half of last season. They were happy when Burnley came and offered about half the money from Christ Wood's sale.
Burnley's relegated. Kompany came and didn't see Weghorst in his plan. Weghorst wanted to make World Cup squad, so he chose to go to Turkey where he's more chances to start.
The issue here is some people selectively choose the best period, when trying sugarcoat the immediate much less impressive period. Here is an experienced player in his 30 with an established base level. You highly likely see the player from before his move than last season, and than the season before last.
And score rate is the wrong category to look at this stop gap forward. It's more difficult to feed him. You shouldn't expect good goal return. Ideallu a Welbeck like contribution is more desired. Worked hard, pressed well, win the ball, carry the ball, hold up, link up, stretch defense despite bad score rate.
WW was not some wonderful contributor in open play to begin with, even in his better years. There is a reason, Memphis had been Netherland main forward all this year. Gakpo who was not playing as forward for PSV was experimented there by LVG before the tournament, and when Memphis was not fit to start; while WW only got scrap cameo. Even under Koeman during a period he was scoring at a good rate. WW made huge impact vs Argentine. It should be the role we look to deploy him. Not hoping him to start and be focal point to build the team around.
I'm not even one of these people that's super down on him. To me he's whatever - but I just don't get getting a player of his mould when we don't even play that type of football. Like, we hardly cross - and long balls aren't really our thing either. In the game against Leeds at OT - we actually made more crosses after he came off the pitch.
I hear that the thinking was supposed hold up and link up play, but is he even proficient at those? Atletico were demanding a king's ransom, but can't help but feel Felix would have been a better fit. Rapid, can beat a man, can play all across the front line, vision.
I hear that the thinking was supposed hold up and link up play, but is he even proficient at those? Atletico were demanding a king's ransom, but can't help but feel Felix would have been a better fit. Rapid, can beat a man, can play all across the front line, vision.
Leeds United 0:2 Man Utd
He was brilliant in the second half when playing as a #10
Can anyone demonstrate with FACTS and LOGIC that he had a bad game?
Because I thought he was decent
Because I thought he was decent
Fellaini-esque when he moved to the hole and that's a compliment.
I thought he was… okay today. But he doesn’t look remotely like scoring a goal.
Thought he had a good game
Excellent second half
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