[#07]

He's somehow getting worse.

Looks fairly obvious that he's starting to accept the reality that he won't get a permanent deal. He's just playing with his shoulders slumped.

Shame because, honestly, it's all on him. To justify a move all he has to do is start scoring. It's not like the manager or the club ruled it out from the off. Had he taken his chances he'd have a chance of staying.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

That's harsh. In his first 12 or so games he was pretty much 50/50 between good and bad. Obviously that's not good enough, but it is better than many make out.

He's been shit since then though. I was hoping it was him being overplayed and having a bit of a break the last couple weeks would see him look more like he was when he first joined (even 50/50 is much better than what he's done lately), but this was probably his worst performance of all.

He was never good though, we just had good results and he ran more than Ronaldo so people loved him.

 

[Golden Nugget]

Maybe I'm looking into it too much but this game, and how he looked on the bench against Sevilla (even when we scored), he's starting to act like a grumpy old twat.

Compare that to the "I'm very happy when others score" attitude he had earlier and I just see a bloke who doesn't like being a bit part player. I'm not surprised he's frustrated though, he's had plenty of opportunities to do something and he just hasn't done enough.

I didn’t notice him in the Sevilla game - buttoday it felt like it stemmed off the fact that Antony would never pass him the ball (love to see if there’s a stat to show if Antony passed it to him at all today). When he did get the ball - he mis-controlled and handballed it

 

[ti vu]

I am Okay with him being subbed on after Martial shoulder an hour, even if he's not effective attacking wise. But what is getting into him the last couple games? He seems to intentionally pick up a fight which on an unlucky day would result in his sent off, and us down 10 men, and missing an option for the following games.

 

[TsuWave]

So besides being shit, he’s also a thug

 

[Idxomer]

I didn’t notice him in the Sevilla game - buttoday it felt like it stemmed off the fact that Antony would never pass him the ball (love to see if there’s a stat to show if Antony passed it to him at all today). When he did get the ball - he mis-controlled and handballed it

He also got manhandled today a couple of times and the ref completely ignored it, I think after that he was really annoyed.

 

[Pexbo]

So besides being shit, he’s also a thug

He’s a Liverpool fan.

 

[DickDastardly]

Feck sake Wout.

Don't get a straight red, however shit you are we still need that 20 minutes cameos.

 

[Jev]

I didn’t notice him in the Sevilla game - buttoday it felt like it stemmed off the fact that Antony would never pass him the ball (love to see if there’s a stat to show if Antony passed it to him at all today). When he did get the ball - he mis-controlled and handballed it

We've all played seven-aside with that bloke everyone knows never to pass it to.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Looks fairly obvious that he's starting to accept the reality that he won't get a permanent deal. He's just playing with his shoulders slumped.

Shame because, honestly, it's all on him. To justify a move all he has to do is start scoring. It's not like the manager or the club ruled it out from the off. Had he taken his chances he'd have a chance of staying.

Plus I just think , he's still got a great opportunity here.

Yes the dream for him of a permanent move here must be over, surely we aren't signing him in the summer, so I can understand him being a little upset

But he's still got the rest of the season here to try and make an impact and win more trophies. He should be grateful a chance like this came along in the first place.

 

[Red00012]

He was so angry when Antony didn’t play him in for the Dalot goal. He should well used to it by now

 

[MadDogg]

He was never good though, we just had good results and he ran more than Ronaldo so people loved him.

He didn't just run. In those games that I class him as playing well he was also showing decent hold-up play and was linking well with our other attackers, playing a part in building our attacks. A bit like Martial does, albeit obviously not as well. His attacking runs were also quite decent, either to get himself into space or helping create space for others, and of course his pressing was making it easier to win the ball back. Obviously his actual finishing was shit even in those games, but otherwise he was doing fairly well. It was only for six or seven games though and we haven't had one of them for a while.

 

[Samoerai Jack]

Seems to have lost his confidence, and there wasn't much to start with. Unfortunately, because I think there could've been a good player there, but Wout's mentality lets him down. He's bad under pressure and doesn't handle adversity well. Not the kind of player I'd like to see at United.

 

[Adisa]

Kind of feel for him.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Love to see what his finishing is like in training.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

He didn't just run. In those games that I class him as playing well he was also showing decent hold-up play and was linking well with our other attackers, playing a part in building our attacks. A bit like Martial does, albeit obviously not as well. His attacking runs were also quite decent, either to get himself into space or helping create space for others, and of course his pressing was making it easier to win the ball back. Obviously his actual finishing was shit even in those games, but otherwise he was doing fairly well. It was only for six or seven games though and we haven't had one of them for a while.

His hold up play was the equivalent of pinging it back instantly though, it wasn't like he's holding off defenders and taking the ball under pressure. Again, there's a reason we looked so toothless and had to rely on Rashford hitting the form of his life when WW was in the team. It wasn't just a case of him not finishing chances, he genuinely offers 0 threat either on the ball or off it in any sort of way.

In our best result of the season (beating Barca over two legs) we had to take him off both times to look dangerous going forwards. That's not the sign of a striker that's playing "decent". At his best he's basically a defensive mid with huge tackling range running around up top.

 

[#07]

Plus I just think , he's still got a great opportunity here.

Yes the dream for him of a permanent move here must be over, surely we aren't signing him in the summer, so I can understand him being a little upset

But he's still got the rest of the season here to try and make an impact and win more trophies. He should be grateful a chance like this came along in the first place.

You're right. The thing about it is, if by chance he suddenly became a 1 in 2 striker, things could still change for him. Almost feels like he's given up the ghost. The way he turned down chances to shoot on Thursday night was a player hiding. Not great.

 

[stevoc]

Wasn’t even clinical enough to hit him in the face

Tbf people have short memories, he was very important post World Cup when Martial was injured. When Martial plays it’s very evident how much Wout is lacking at this level but I’ll be grateful for his efforts, he contributed towards the league cup win. Someone said he’s the worst to ever play for us, they mustn’t have been watching Utd very long; but I won’t miss him when he is gone next season.

How long is very long then?

 

[jm99]

You're right. The thing about it is, if by chance he suddenly became a 1 in 2 striker, things could still change for him. Almost feels like he's given up the ghost. The way he turned down chances to shoot on Thursday night was a player hiding. Not great.

I think it's a bit easier said than done to just become a 1 in 2 striker in the Premier league. Didn't he have something like 2 in 20 for Burnley, he's nowhere near talented enough to get that kind of strike rate. Rashford is basically at 1 in 2 this season for comparison

 

[#07]

I think it's a bit easier said than done to just become a 1 in 2 striker in the Premier league. Didn't he have something like 2 in 20 for Burnley, he's nowhere near talented enough to get that kind of strike rate. Rashford is basically at 1 in 2 this season for comparison

Not saying it's straightforward. Just giving an example. Lord knows he's been getting the chances though.

 

[jm99]

Not saying it's straightforward. Just giving an example. Lord knows he's been getting the chances though.

I know, but its basically saying if he suddenly becomes a much more talented striker then he'd be worth keeping, which kinda goes without saying.

He'll never be a 1 in 2 striker, except in a very weak league

 

[Baxquux]

Amazing how below-average he's been, some decent high-pressing early on and a few bits of disruption against the likes of Barcelona in the 10 position notwithstanding. Thought he'd be something akin to Choupo-Moting - disappointing at a struggling PL club but a handy squad option for a top- European club playing alongside overall more progressive and technically accomplished players, particularly given WW's 1 in 2 numbers elsewhere. Even his positioning, aside from drawing a few players away in 2-3 of our games, has been sketchy...

 

[kouroux]

It's like he's this random fan who's won a competition to play for Manchester United.

Every pass just bounces off him, what passes he makes he misplaces, and you sense he could give away needless fouls all day long. His finishing is just hit and hope and he has no balance at all when he takes a shot.

If a team played a kind of old-school, hoof-it game, I could see how he would come to the fore, but we rarely resort to those kind of Everton/Stoke City tactics anyway.

It's just Bebe levels of bizarre.

He is not dominant in the air to even suit the long ball game. It's mad that there is nothing he excels at

 

[Big Andy]

I know, but its basically saying if he suddenly becomes a much more talented striker then he'd be worth keeping, which kinda goes without saying.

He'll never be a 1 in 2 striker, except in a very weak league

Wasn’t he only outscored by Haaland and Lewandowski over the last few seasons in Germany?
fecking madness that.

 

[evil_geko]

I know, but its basically saying if he suddenly becomes a much more talented striker then he'd be worth keeping, which kinda goes without saying.

He'll never be a 1 in 2 striker, except in a very weak league

Bundesliga is hardly a "very weak league".

 

[owlo]

Bundesliga is hardly a "very weak league".

It's arguable. Haaland aside, their imports have translated very poorly to the EPL in the last few years.

 

[jm99]

Bundesliga is hardly a "very weak league".

It's not, but it is an odd league in that some players seem to thrive there, and absolutely flop elsewhere. Between us and Burnley weghorst has 2 in 30 in the Premier league

 

[Dan_F]

I didn’t expect him to be as useless as he is in front of goal, but today was how I saw the majority of his time at United going, back in January. Although usually from more than one goal up, coming on and giving Martial a rest in games we’d already won, maybe starting the odd cup game.

 

[McGrathsipan]

He's crap.
United need to be getting better players

 

[Glorio]

Manucho & Mame Biram Diouf >>>>>> Weggy.

Honestly unsure how he was so prolific in Turkey and even in Germany

 

[Glorio]

It's like he's this random fan who's won a competition to play for Manchester United.

Every pass just bounces off him, what passes he makes he misplaces, and you sense he could give away needless fouls all day long. His finishing is just hit and hope and he has no balance at all when he takes a shot.

If a team played a kind of old-school, hoof-it game, I could see how he would come to the fore, but we rarely resort to those kind of Everton/Stoke City tactics anyway.

It's just Bebe levels of bizarre.

How would he come to the fore? He's really poor aerially? Quite unbelievably bad with his head to be honest, considering his height. Besides you described old Burnley to a T, and he struggled badly there

 

[Siorac]

Not saying it's straightforward. Just giving an example. Lord knows he's been getting the chances though.

He's had some chances but not a lot, really, because he's so slow that he rarely gets into genuinely good positions. And aerially he's non-existent which is weird for such a big man.

 

[ti vu]

Wasn’t he only outscored by Haaland and Lewandowski over the last few seasons in Germany?
fecking madness that.

No, he is not going by season per season. Perhaps, they combine over multiple season tallies?

Note: some familiar names that fail to replicate the number in other leagues. Can you imagine Timo Wenger scoring 20+ goals in PL. Or Sancho and Harvertz scoring high teen in PL? Paco Alcacer never scored mid teen (15+) in La Liga got 18 for Dortmund once! Kramaric flopped at Leicester, so they rid him during the season they ended up winning the PL with him missing out the medal because he didn't play enough!! Jovic flopped at Real Madrid and now even at Fiorentina he's not pulling up trees.

2018-2019

1.​	Robert Lewandowski	Poland	Bayern München	22 (3)​
2.​	Paco Alcácer	Spain	Borussia Dortmund	18 (1)​
3.​	Kai Havertz	Germany	Bayer Leverkusen	17 (3)​
​	Luka Jović	Serbia	Eintracht Frankfurt	17 (1)​
​	Andrej Kramarić	Croatia	1899 Hoffenheim	17 (5)​
​	Marco Reus	Germany	Borussia Dortmund	17 (3)​
​	Wout Weghorst	Netherlands	VfL Wolfsburg	17 (4)​
8.​	Ishak Belfodil	Algeria	1899 Hoffenheim	16 (0)​
​	Timo Werner	Germany	RB Leipzig	16 (0)​
10.​	Sébastien Haller	Ivory Coast	Eintracht Frankfurt	15 (3)​
​	Yussuf Poulsen	Denmark	RB Leipzig	15 (0)​
12.​	Jean-Philippe Mateta	France	1. FSV Mainz 05	14 (0)​
​	Kevin Volland	Germany	Bayer Leverkusen	14 (0)​
14.​	Alassane Pléa	France	Bor. Mönchengladbach	12 (0)​
​	Jadon Sancho	England	Borussia Dortmund	12 (0)​

2019-2020

1.​	Robert Lewandowski	​	Poland	Bayern München	34 (5)​
2.​	Timo Werner	​	Germany	RB Leipzig	28 (3)​
3.​	Jadon Sancho	​	England	Borussia Dortmund	17 (0)​
4.​	Wout Weghorst	​	Netherlands	VfL Wolfsburg	16 (4)​
5.​	Rouwen Hennings	​	Germany	Fortuna Düsseldorf	15 (4)​
6.​	Erling Haaland	​	Norway	Borussia Dortmund	13 (0)​

Note: Haaland reached that number with half a season.

2020-2021

1.​	Robert Lewandowski	​	Poland	Bayern München	41 (8)​
2.​	André Silva	​	Portugal	Eintracht Frankfurt	28 (7)​
3.​	Erling Haaland	​	Norway	Borussia Dortmund	27 (2)​
4.​	Andrej Kramarić	​	Croatia	1899 Hoffenheim	20 (5)​
​	Wout Weghorst	​	Netherlands	VfL Wolfsburg	20 (2)​

2021-2022

1.​	Robert Lewandowski	​	Poland	Bayern München	35 (5)​
2.​	Patrik Schick	​	Czech Republic	Bayer Leverkusen	24 (1)​
3.​	Erling Haaland	​	Norway	Borussia Dortmund	22 (6)​
4.​	Anthony Modeste	​	France	1. FC Köln	20 (1)​
​	Christopher Nkunku	​	France	RB Leipzig	20 (1)​
32.	Wout Weghorst		Netherlands	VfL Wolfsburg	6 (1)

Note: Weghorst left for Burnley in January

 

[Abraxas]

That was pretty atrocious. Hard to dislike the guy, he is absolutely trying to do his job. He just...can't do the one we would want.

 

[renatosanches85]

How long is very long then?

Bebe, Bellion, Sanchez long

 

[Jeppers7]

People that were calling for him to be signed on a permanent back then should be ashamed at their lack of football knowledge, my days. Was clear from the get go how terrible he was, and my biggest red flag was instantly noting that he's brutally bad in the air as well. Would be a different story if he was just a giant tree that was good for hoofing crosses too and put in some work rate (essentially Fellaini up front), but he might as well be Juan Mata in the air to go along with shocking footballing ability.

But hey, people "loved" him because he ran around and we won games that he was involved in (even though he often actively contributed to our lack of threat going forward). Embarrassing

Took me five minutes to figure out he was nowhere near good enough. I predicted he’d score less than 5 goals after ten mins watching him.

 

[DWelbz19]

How is he a pro ? If he wasn't tall (not that his height particularly well), would he even be playing for the clubs he has ?

He’s a 1 in 2 type of forward in Turkey. He just isn’t quick enough in his mind and his feet to handle the intensity of a proper league.

 

[Baneofthegame]

The part near the end where Navas spilled it just behind him basically sums up his goal scoring here, so close yet so far.

 

[ti vu]

Manucho & Mame Biram Diouf >>>>>> Weggy.

Honestly unsure how he was so prolific in Turkey and even in Germany

For Turkish league, Enner Valencia currently the top scorer with 27 goals. He's meh at both Everton and West Ham few years ago. Hypothetically if Enner Valencia was available last January, with how good Enner Valencia has performed in this season (World Cup included), do we think he's good enough to comeback to PL for a back up role here? For me, I am still skeptical.

Third place is Borini (former Liverpool, Milan forward) with 15 goal. This guy never scored 10 goals in the league per season for Milan or Liverpool.

 

[jm99]

Took me five minutes to figure out he was nowhere near good enough. I predicted he’d score less than 5 goals after ten mins watching him.

I didn't even need to watch him, the fact he was on loan in Turkey from a championship club should have been a hint that maybe he wasn't the ideal candidate for first choice striker at Manchester United