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Would you take Conte at United?
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The full story of course is that it was not Conte alone, but the combination of Marotta and Conte, in both cases.
Behind the question of the manager of course lingers the question of the DoF or sporting executive.
I see many people saying that yesterday the formation worked . I also really like the formation in general not just for United. But I am not so Sure if its good for this team. So much attacking talent we had yesterday on the bench that just doesnt fit into this formation or Ole doesnt know how to use them in that system. Pogba, Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Donny, Jesse, Martial . What is going to happen with them?
I get that quite a few people dont like him and prefer that we look elsewhere. Really do. Plenty of good arguments. What I dont get is people who dont appear to rate him or find it debatable that is a great coach.
If you think he is a weaker version of Jose, or similar as a coach, you really can not have been paying much attention the past decade. In my opinion, the past decade belonged to Klopp, Pep and Conte.
If you think he is a weaker version of Jose, or similar as a coach, you really can not have been paying much attention the past decade. In my opinion, the past decade belonged to Klopp, Pep and Conte.
Not only condescending, but also clueless. I dont know if its lack of ambition, or underrating of this squad. Many I guess dont realise how good this bunch could be if they are coached in a professional way. What I dont understand is placing more importance on aesthetics over winning, which I can understand from an Arsenal supporter, but to hear it from United fans is baffling. There's been some brainwashing and rewriting of history for sure, about this "United way". Even during SAF years, our football wasnt the most pleasing to the eye, Arsenal always played more "progressive football" and in the big games we usually played on the counter. I understand its not one or the other, but to dismiss Conte on playing style alone, when his football is hardly Mourinho-esque, is wild to me.
Exactly, saying I prefer Ten Hags football for example is a valid reason. But saying he's just a weak Mourinho is an utter joke.
Think what I added in the other post answers part of your reply.
You're right though, there is absolute merit in that discussion. But much of the 'discussion' I'm seeing in this thread is infused with a bizarre, often obtuse, mischaracterization of Conte, which I find laughable given his undeniable qualities and record.
I don’t think people have thought that closely about the semantics of the question. If I preferred Ten Hag then I’d answer no to the poll.
I believe he can get the best out of the players we have. Whether with 3 at the back or not. But I can understand the concern about long term. Maybe it's time to change, kinda unrealistic nowadays to expect a manager that will do well over the course of 10 seasons and more.
Fair enough. I'm happy to apologize to those no votes.
You're discussing Ole with a Norwegian. Enough said
And you just pointed out how they’re old and one is leaving in the summer.
As someone said earlier, Rashford/Greenwood/Sancho can work just fine across a front 3.
You act like attrition over the course of a season doesn’t exist. They’ll get games.
You're missing my point
Judging by yesterday, I wonder if Conte is already in charge but WFH and managing via Zoom! Would explain the iPads
Ah you mean a sacking? I get you. I feel sorry for Nuno, he would have been Spurs first choice replacement for Pochettino a few years back, now he’s 14th choice, playing underwhelming football at a club where the best player went to war with the board in the summer to try and force a move, with a team fully on the slide in a typical post Mourinho environment and a bunch of fans trying to will Kane’s unrealistic expectations into reality. He didn’t help himself this weekend by calling out the fringe players at Spurs though. Asking to lose the dressing room when you do something like that.
Yeah he is underrated and lost of myths are busted already. Also few posts are uninformed which is not surprising as people view differently and also people won't be knowing everything, Like how you thought we have 4 out of 5 best paid players in the league.
From what I have seen, most of them posters who don't want Conte prefer managers like ten hag and even before Conte was discussed they stuck to "we want managers like ten hag' posts.
There is nothing condescending about it, on the other hand posts like "You don't want Conte? ha ha ha, you deserve all the shit" make you look like an condescending *lets sensor this*(with all due respect and oh btw you are not that. Just that your posts of that type make you look like one).
Also I disagree with any posts that says Conte won't suit us. He is brilliant manager and we should go for him without second thoughts. Brilliant manager and a manager who doesn't lower the expectations.
Yes but Ole had been on the job for 7th months longer than him and they sacked him the moment they realized he wouldn't lead them to any trophies. No BS sentimentality in their decision making despite him being their best player ever.
We've realized that for a while now and have almost 3 years to go off of.
We still have a shot at contending this season at this stage of the season, can't really say that will still be the case in a month or 2 if things stay as they are.
Nope I wouldn’t.He’s a good manager,but he’s not a Man United manager.My shortlist of candidates-1)Mauricio Pochettino,2)Julian Nagelsmann,3)Brendan Rodgers.
Pochettino would be my 1st choice…The job he did at Tottenham was just absolutely stupendous…
Pochettino would be my 1st choice…The job he did at Tottenham was just absolutely stupendous…
So you pick 2 managers who will never win the PL title who constantly choke in big moments and a manager who's at Bayern and not leaving for years, brilliant.
See this is one of the big issues. I don't care what Chelsea have won I wouldn't want my club to be anything like that and I hope we never are. If you want the club to be run like Chelsea why not go and support them?
We got a washed up Mourinho, Conte is at the top of his game and still elite at this very moment.
Calling him a 'weaker' version is ridiculous when we got the weak version of Mourinho already.
Conte's tactical structure defensively + the attacking talent at disposal at the club would make for a very dangerous side capable of competing for the highest honors.
You understand that literally any other big club would have sacked Ole by now right?
That's a silly point though. Would I take Conte if he was the last manager alive? Yes, but that's irrelevant to our situation. Would I take him over about 10 other managerial options? No, because I don't think he would be successful here for what I want as a fan and there are better options we should look at.
You have no idea who Conte is.
Why only Chelsea? Every club is run like that. Managers come and go, they manager for 2-3 years and move on.
So are you happy with how the club is run? If no, which club do you think is best run and the club we should pick best pieces from?
What do you mean by "like that"?
This makes zero sense.
Sure they can. Rashford and Greenwood were for long parts of their (short) careers considered strikers. Many people still see Greenwood as one. They aren't natural wide players, Rashford closer to than Greenwood but he's a inside forward. Essentially go back to the days where strike partnerships were commonplace and both would be used pretty exclusively in a front 2, since neither really suit being a lone striker just yet (or ever). In a front 2, can't think of a more perfect set up for them. Rashford and Ronaldo can rotate, Greenwood and Cavani, and then Bruno with Sancho to be the creative option in the front 3. Can switch it between a 3-4-1-2 or a 3-4-3 at will and give the opposition different things to think about, and it relieves those attackers of defensive responsibility they have out wide in a 4231 which they are frankly awful at and a big part of the overriding issue anyway.
Personnel wise, a 343 or 3412 has huge potential for us. We can't fit all our attackers I'm a 4231 anyway, as it's horribly unbalanced, so this is our best chance and actually has a better chance of getting them all in their best positions. From there, it's on Ole to manage it properly. There's no reason why they can't all be rotated effectively. Can even play Pogba in midfield with a better success chance as he has a back 3 behind him, not just 2 CBs. In terms of style of play when using it, there's no reason it has to be defensive or attacking. Up to the coaching for that, but nothing to do with the formation.
Unfortunately I expect Ole will likely overplay Bruno and Ronaldo as usual, but the thing is it doesn't have to be that way. Ole's coaching is relatively negative but again, doesn't have to be that way. Another coach could implement a 3-4-3 perfectly. But if your dream is playing 4 of Bruno, Sancho, Rashford, Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood regularly, then IMO its never going to work well enough.
The only managers in modern football who stay longer than 3-4 years generally are the ones who have built something special at their clubs like Guardiola, Simeone and Klopp. The rest of modern day clubs constantly change managers and still run and compete like well oiled machines regardless. That includes clubs that actually still win things like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich, PSG, Chelsea etc.
Only at Manchester United to we seem to have an aversion to the realities of the modern game despite being the least successful of the lot when it comes to the big boy clubs of Europe during the past decade
Only at Manchester United to we seem to have an aversion to the realities of the modern game despite being the least successful of the lot when it comes to the big boy clubs of Europe during the past decade
Are you his mum or something?That's true for modern and antiquated Football. There isn't an era where going longer than that was normal.
First of all, Pogba is probably leaving next season. Donny, Jesse and Martial dont seem to have a future at this club either.
I think since we have so many attacking players who dont really track back much, either we compensate with a world class industrious/controlling midfield, which we dont have, or we go 3 at the back.
Yes, we will still be a bit top heavy, but we gotta do what's best for the team. We definitely need a Hakimi-esque right wingback though.
No I am.
I wonder if Spurs might “accelerate things” so they can get Conte
They will go for Conte now and accept his terms this time. Conte didnt just rule them out in the summer like people in here think.
Didn’t Conte reject Spurs in the summer? If so, why would he agree to the job this time? He’s clearly waiting for the United job and probably would prefer to do that than to go to Spurs
Yeah this is my thinking. If Spurs could get Conte they would have got him in the summer. And if I am Conte I would be even more against their project with the knowledge that the Old Trafford hot seat can be free a lot earlier than he expected at the start of the season.
Even fecking Spurs having a manager we are envious of would be something.
But tbh why on earth does Conte want to ruin his reputation and track record by going to that shit show where he'll always be trailing the best teams? Strange move. He's too good for Spurs.
But tbh why on earth does Conte want to ruin his reputation and track record by going to that shit show where he'll always be trailing the best teams? Strange move. He's too good for Spurs.
I make arrogant and douchy posts alright, especially the shorter and more quick-reactionary ones, but I certainly hope I don't give the vibe that I have a problem being challenged or called out for it. I wouldn't want even my most entrenched, contrarian, or argumentative rantings to be understood as anything other than playful, ultimately.
On topic, what triggers me in these discussions is when people liking one candidate (player, manager) entails them badmouthing other candidates. But I guess it's a typical mechanism of arguing.
He turned them down last summer. No chance he'd go to them now mid-season when even the lure of managing Harry Kane, which could have been tempting a few months ago, is going away.
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