Would you take Conte at United?

[LJJT]

You're chatting absolute nonsense. Bizarre.

He didn't admit a single thing.

And if you're going to make an allegation about him with shady transfers at Chelsea, at least provide a credible source rather than spouting unsubstantiated nonsense.


That never happened. The judge dismissed the case. And he was offered repeated plea bargains too which he rejected.

Apart from Carobbio, not a single other Siena player said Conte fixed the match or was aware of any fixing. Not a single one.

The FIGC, who headed their own investigation, hired him for heaven's sake.

Let's get this right, there were 25 folk in the dressing room (and 40 detailed accounts were taken) and not a single one of those 40 said Conte match fixed or was aware of any match fixing other than one player and one player only, the actual match fixer.

Hmm, match fixer's words vs 39 folk with clean records.

So naive. The whole thing stinks and anyone associated with it stinks. Do your research on the Chelsea transfer issue. Any manager associated with match fixing stinks,

 

[dave1956]

Question is would Conte take it under the present conditions, I am sure he would bring in his own coaching staff, plus would he be happy working under the present Technical Director.

 

[Sviken]

Question is would Conte take it under the present conditions, I am sure he would bring in his own coaching staff, plus would he be happy working under the present Technical Director.

Apparently he is interested. He has his own staff, yes. I don't know the answer to the last question. Suffice to say, he wasn't in charge of transfers in Italy (except suggesting and wanting various players), so I don't believe he would have a problem.

 

[2cents]

Do your research on the Chelsea transfer issue

A quick google on this threw up one source - a Caught Offside article from a few days ago. However I probably could have been a bit more thorough. Have you any other links?

 

[sebsheep]

A quick google on this threw up one source - a Caught Offside article from a few days ago. However I probably could have been a bit more thorough. Have you any other links?

Listen, don't come round here asking for sources to prove a claim someone made. You have to do your own research!

 

[FatTails]

Listen, don't come round here asking for sources to prove a claim someone made. You have to do your own research!

Sources: 4chan, Facebook, and JustTrustMeBro.thetruth.net

 

[the_cliff]

What do you mean "don't be naive"?

An Italian court went through the evidence and cleared him of any wrong doings.

Have you found evidence to the contrary? Carried out a more thorough investigation?

Please, share your findings. It seems the Italians missed out on the Internet Judge here.

No idea what your "slice of the transfer fees at Chelsea" is all about. An actual credible source, please?

Tbf I want Conte at United but he did receive a 10 month suspension which was then changed to 4 months because he admitting to knowing and being approached to fix games however, he never reported it to the authorities.

He was found innocent of actually being involved in the fixed games however. But it is a slight bit worrying, especially in a PR and image aspect of the club, which the club thinks is paramount and more important than the sporting aspect.

It's one of the main reasons why I don't think we'll get Conte tbh however much I do wish he was our next manager.

In terms of a pure sporting aspect I believe he's the best manager available right now and if he's backed by our board as much as Ole was we'd win the league within the next 2 seasons.

 

[LJJT]

He wouldn’t play Bruno or Ronaldo or the caf fave DVB so be careful what you all wish for. Fact he’s crooked is a mute point I guess when you consider the above

 

[pratyush_utd]

He wouldn’t play Bruno or Ronaldo or the caf fave DVB so be careful what you all wish for. Fact he’s crooked is a mute point I guess when you consider the above

As long as we play well and win, dont think anyone will care who is playing and who isnt. These things get discussed only when results are not good

 

[Hawks2008]

The source is Ian Whittel who used to work at The Times and is a former colleague of Daniel Taylor. So the journo in question is reputable.

This is laughable if true. If the club opted for the likes of Rogers and Poch over a guy of Conte's calibre then it's just more proof that we're a finished club with 0 ambition or standards.

 

[sebsheep]

He wouldn’t play Bruno or Ronaldo or the caf fave DVB so be careful what you all wish for. Fact he’s crooked is a mute point I guess when you consider the above

Got a source for that?

Hehe

 

[sebsheep]

Tbf I want Conte at United but he did receive a 10 month suspension which was then changed to 4 months because he admitting to knowing and being approached to fix games however, he never reported it to the authorities.

Is that what happened though? All the information I can see says that he was consistent in his denial of knowing anything about the match fixing. His ban was just reduced on appeal like a lot of things are.

 

[Infra-red]

So what happens then if Ole loses the next 3 games on the trot and they're essentially forced to sack him? Do they go back to Conte - who by then has possibly run out of patience and feeling somewhat offended, and offer him a blank cheque to sign on the dotted line? Or do they pull out all the stops to bring in Brendan feckin Rodgers. Because if it isn't Conte, it's not going to be Ten Hag, thats for sure.

They can't have ruled out sacking Ole, because that must be results-dependent. Therefore if they have definitively ruled out Conte, it must mean that they have been given some encouragement from one of their preferred options - likely either Pochettino or Rodgers. I'd say the latter is more likely to move mid-season, so my guess is that Rodgers is indeed the one we've lined up, should dumping Ole become necessary in the next couple of weeks. Still secretly hoping we lose at the weekend?

 

[Flytan]

Why are we okay with spending hundreds of millions on players but not a fraction of it to appease a well respected manager? I don't understand it at all.

The shitty board/Glazers/Woodward/SAF/whoever is there have no clue what they're doing.

 

[Tyrion]

This is laughable if true. If the club opted for the likes of Rogers and Poch over a guy of Conte's calibre then it's just more proof that we're a finished club with 0 ambition or standards.

They can't be that stupid. Buying crap players who underperform under poor managers costs ten times what Conte would.

 

[Flytan]

They can't be that stupid. Buying crap players who underperform under poor managers costs ten times what Conte would.

But they're buying marketable players who they can make money off of. So that shifts some of that loss.

But yeah, I would love to see some data/analysis/statistics on how much being successful actually effects profits.

 

[hobbers]

Give Ole a new contract when no other top club would touch him with a barge pole. Good value.

Give Phil Jones and Bailly new 4 year deals at the cost of ~ £20m each. Good value.

Give Mata and Grant ~ £5m this season despite neither of them kicking a ball in a competitive game. Good value.

£250K/week to Martial, probably close to double what any other club would have offered him at the time. Good value.



Hire the currently best available manager who's a free agent - No value?

 

[Hawks2008]

Give Ole a new contract when no other top club would touch him with a barge pole. Good value.

Give Phil Jones and Bailly new 4 year deals at the cost of ~ £20m each. Good value.

Give Mata and Grant ~ £5m this season despite neither of them kicking a ball in a competitive game. Good value.

£250K/week to Martial, probably close to double what any other club would have offered him at the time. Good value.



Hire the currently best available manager who's a free agent - No value?

It has nothing to do with money I reckon, what it's all about is that they won't replace their Yes man Ole for a personality like Conte who they won't be able to keep under their thumb. So they'll hire a Rodgers or a Potter who won't rock the boat and owe the board a lot for giving them a role at a massive club , another yes man to squeeze out top 4 every year to keep CL money coming in.

 

[hobbers]

It has nothing to do with money I reckon, what it's all about is that they won't replace their Yes man Ole for a personality like Conte who they won't be able to keep under their thumb. So they'll hire a Rodgers or a Potter who won't rock the boat and owe the board a lot for giving them a role at a massive club , another yes man to squeeze out top 4 every year to keep CL money coming in.

Which will predictably backfire when Rodgers badly struggles to get this squad in the top four this season.

If there was anyone with a modicum of intellect on the board they would also realise that the fans would put up with far less shit from Rodgers than pretty much anyone else. Conte and ten Hag would get a lot more slack from the fans. One blip under Rodgers and everyone will be back to calling for a new manager.

Obviously we dont have intelligent people on the board, just spineless, mindless accountants.

 

[youngrell]

I answered yes in the poll but only on the condition he’d be happy to work with the current players. I really don’t want to go through yet another squad build in another mould.

Obviously be happy with improvements in midfield but a complete overhaul is a no from me.

 

[Wilt]

Give Ole a new contract when no other top club would touch him with a barge pole. Good value.

Give Phil Jones and Bailly new 4 year deals at the cost of ~ £20m each. Good value.

Give Mata and Grant ~ £5m this season despite neither of them kicking a ball in a competitive game. Good value.

£250K/week to Martial, probably close to double what any other club would have offered him at the time. Good value.



Hire the currently best available manager who's a free agent - No value?

Agreed, the money being wasted by this club is staggering. No other club spends as much with feck all in return.

If the board genuinely wanted to win the prem and take the club back to the top, they should hire Conte, who no doubt could do it with less money.

 

[bdecuc]

Obviously we dont have intelligent people on the board, just spineless, mindless accountants.

Spineless, mindless accountants - controlled by resource sucking leaches from Florida. We haven't a chance.

 

[DutchCruijff]

Tbf I want Conte at United but he did receive a 10 month suspension which was then changed to 4 months because he admitting to knowing and being approached to fix games however, he never reported it to the authorities.

He was found innocent of actually being involved in the fixed games however. But it is a slight bit worrying, especially in a PR and image aspect of the club, which the club thinks is paramount and more important than the sporting aspect.

It's one of the main reasons why I don't think we'll get Conte tbh however much I do wish he was our next manager.

In terms of a pure sporting aspect I believe he's the best manager available right now and if he's backed by our board as much as Ole was we'd win the league within the next 2 seasons.

He never admitted it. He was cleared over the Novara match hence ban reduction.

But if you've got a source of him admitting to knowing the games were fixed, I'd love a source.

Source, please?

Also, he was never accused of match fixing. He was accused of knowing match fixing was going on and he did nothing about it/didn't report it.

 

[the_cliff]

He never admitted it. He was cleared over the Novara match hence ban reduction.

But if you've got a source of him admitting to knowing the games were fixed, I'd love a source.

Source, please?

Also, he was never accused of match fixing. He was accused of knowing match fixing was going on and he did nothing about it/didn't report it.

Yes, he was cleared over the Novara fixture, but was ruled to have known about the AlbinoLeffe fixture and subsequently failed to report the plot to the authorities hence the suspension. If he was cleared as you claim why the 10 month turned 4 month suspension ?

 

[DutchCruijff]

Yes, he was cleared over the Novara fixture, but was ruled to have known about the AlbinoLeffe fixture and subsequently failed to report the plot to the authorities hence the suspension. If he was cleared as you claim why the 10 month turned 4 month suspension ?

He was suspended because the player who match fixed pointed Conte out as knowing, that's it. No one else did. There was no evidence, the player just pointed him out, to help reduce his own term.

Conte and his legal team proved that he didn't know of any match fixing during the Novara fixture hence suspension reduction.

The trial took years and in the end, Conte and his legal team proved that he didn't know of any match fixing during ANY of the fixtures and the judge threw it due to "baseless allegations".

I'm going to say this again, the FIGC undertook an investigation of their own and found no wrongdoing ergo hiring Conte as coach for Italy.

 

[lsd]

I answered yes in the poll but only on the condition he’d be happy to work with the current players. I really don’t want to go through yet another squad build in another mould.

Obviously be happy with improvements in midfield but a complete overhaul is a no from me.

You expect to bring in a manager to win things without being able to change the squad?


Good luck with that

 

[Razvan]

 

[sullydnl]

You expect to bring in a manager to win things without being able to change the squad?


Good luck with that

Changing the squad is fine. Complete overhauls, not so much. For one the idea that you'd need an overhaul when a manager is appointed negates the point of now having a DOF. And second, I'd be disappointed if the manager who managed to make Victor Moses into a title-winning wing-back was unable to do good work with a lot of the players we already have.

Whoever we appoint should be able to largely work with the players we have (plus a few key additions in coming windows). No more multi-year rebuilds.

 

[youngrell]

You expect to bring in a manager to win things without being able to change the squad?


Good luck with that

I don't mean completely unchanged, I just don't want another clearout and rebuild. We've spent nearly 3 years building this squad, throwing it all away would be demoralising.

 

[Rolaholic]

Bit concerning seeing reports of the board preferring people like Poch or Rodgers over an actual proven winner in Conte...

 

[sullydnl]

"Proven winner" is such a meaningless concept. Every manager who ever wins anything is a proven winner and every proven winner stops winning things. If it was that important then we'd be on the phone to Giovanni Trappatoni and the likes of Julian Naglesmann wouldn't be the hottest managerial properties around.

The question is which managers will be good enough to win trophies over the coming years. That might be people who have won trophies recently but in a lot of cases it won't be, because (as we saw first-hand with Mourinho and LVG) proven winners become out-dated. If you focus too much on who won things in the past then you'll get left behind by clubs who can more accurately spot who will be winning things in the coming years.

There are a lot of reasons to like Conte and a lot of reasons to prefer him to someone like Rodgers but the fact that he happens to have more trophies on his CV right now isn't a great one.

 

[stw2022]

He’d be an improvement so yes. It’ll be a short term solution though

 

[Sviken]

"Proven winner" is such a meaningless concept. Every manager who ever wins anything is a proven winner and every proven winner stops winning things. If it was that important then we'd be on the phone to Giovanni Trappatoni and the likes of Julian Naglesmann wouldn't be the hottest managerial properties around.

The question is which managers will be good enough to win trophies over the coming years. That might be people who have won trophies recently but in a lot of cases it won't be, because (as we saw first-hand with Mourinho and LVG) proven winners become out-dated. If you focus too much on who won things in the past then you'll get left behind by clubs who can more accurately spot who will be winning things in the coming years.

There are a lot of reasons to like Conte and a lot of reasons to prefer him to someone like Rodgers but the fact that he happens to have more trophies on his CV right now isn't a great one.

Winner isn't simply about trophies, it's a mentality. For example, someone like Moyes doesn't have that mentality but Ten Hag or Potter appear to have that mentality. Whether that will pan out remains to be seen, but they have what it takes to be in charge of a big club expected to win.

 

[sullydnl]

Winner isn't simply about trophies, it's a mentality. For example, someone like Moyes doesn't have that mentality but Ten Hag or Potter appear to have that mentality. Whether that will pan out remains to be seen, but they have what it takes to be in charge of a big club expected to win.

Problem is, people define that mentality by whether they've won things. Which is judging the outcome rather than the process.

For example I remember when Klopp (who we would now regard as "a proven winner") was being derided as a serial bottler on this forum. His personality and mentality wasn't any different during that period, people were just overly focused on the outcome of certain games. But if instead of obsessing over whether he won/didn't win x, y or z you had instead focused on how his teams actually performed over those years then you would have had a more consistent and accurate opinion of how good he is as a manager.

It's the same with players. Arjen Robben used to be absolutely slaughtered for being a bottler, before ending up collecting more trophies than most clubs get across their history. "Mentality" is such a vague and amorphous trait to judge from the outside.

 

[Sviken]

Problem is, people define that mentality by whether they've won things. Which is judging the outcome rather than the process.

For example I remember when Klopp (who we would now regard as "a proven winner") was being derided as a serial bottler on this forum. His personality and mentality wasn't any different during that period, people were just overly focused on the outcome of certain games. But if instead of obsessing over whether he won/didn't win x, y or z you had instead focused on how his teams actually performed over those years then you would have had a more consistent and accurate opinion of how good he is as a manager.

Serial bottler of what? He won the Pokal, Bundesliga and got to a CL final with Dortmund. He had one miserable season with Dortmund, but other than that his achievements were plain to see. He was very highly rated in this forum, many considered him the perfect manager for us at the time of David Moyes and later, even with his final season at Dortmund, he was still highly preferred over LVG. How did Rodgers' team performed, really? He was good at his Celtic job, but given the league - not much of an accomplishment. Decent at Leicester and hit and miss with Liverpool - had one remarkable season, but also two shit ones. All in all, a good manager, but is this the type of guy we want inheriting Ole? Especially when you have a world class manager available. How long can we afford to continue to "experiment" with managers?

 

[sullydnl]

Serial bottler of what? He won the Pokal, Bundesliga and got to a CL final with Dortmund. He had one miserable season with Dortmund, but other than that his achievements were plain to see. He was very highly rated in this forum, many considered him the perfect manager for us at the time of David Moyes and later, even with his final season at Dortmund, he was still highly preferred over LVG. How did Rodgers' team performed, really? He was good at his Celtic job, but given the league - not much of an accomplishment. Decent at Leicester and hit and miss with Liverpool - had one remarkable season, but also two shit ones. All in all, a good manager, but is this the type of guy we want inheriting Ole? Especially when you have a world class manager available. How long can we afford to continue to "experiment" with managers?

You make it sound like I'm defending Rodgers. I don't want him at all and would 100% take Conte over him. My reasoning just isn't based on Conte happening to have a better CV. Because I would absolutely take someone like Naglesmann over Conte, despite him having a worse CV.

As for why the people deriding Klopp as a serial bottler ignored those Bundesliga titles, you'd have to ask them. But they were responding to his CL final losses in 12/13, 18/19 and the UEFA cup final loss in 15/16, I'd imagine. And before he was a bottler he was just one of those "hipster managers" other people seem to have a problem with.

But the fact is that is a narrative people were pushing, which goes to my point that trying to judge managers based on being "winners" or having a "winning mentality" is a whole load of subjective shite. The focus should be on the details of how they consistently get their team to perform rather than whether certain results happened to go their way in the past or what personality traits people who don't know them have projected onto them based on those past results.

Like I said, there's a lot of things to like about Conte. But the question we're asking is whether his methods seem likely to be succesful over the coming years when compared to both established managers like Klopp, Guardiola and Tuchel as well as upcoming managers like Naglesmann, Rose, Ten Hag and whoever. And his CV of past victories offers no more guarantee that will be the case than Mourinho's did when we hired him. So if we're arguing in favour of him, the focus should be on the details of how he works rather than those meaningless "proven winner" notions.

 

[Dembeza]

Oh well, Ole pissing all over the 5 at the back argument against Conte

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

Did we hire Conte already?

 

[bosnian_red]

Did we hire Conte already?

Except Conte can actually coach a 3-4-3 formation to be attacking

 

[Skills]

5 at the back, McFred. The United way.