Explain to me what team he had that should have gone out at the group stage.
Would you take Conte at United?
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Explain to me what team he had that should have gone out at the group stage.
To the end of the season definitely but I'd hope they could find a youngish manager with a long term plan eg the ajax manager
Before that season when was the last time Inter was in the Champions league.
Different yard sticks for different teams. Have the same standards for United today.
But I’ll answer it for you. 2012.
I agree. I think a lot of fans stick to the "But Fergie got time!" rubbish and use it to argue against any sacking. That's like arguing that because Messi started for Barcelona as a teenager, all teenagers are fully developed by 18.
They went out two years on the trot. And finished bottom of their group last season, FFS. He’s only been to the quarter finals once in his career.
He is pants in the CL.
It would be a massive roll of the dice to appoint Conte. He would likely stay for two seasons max and probably leave you in a state of real disruption when he goes. He’s probably the man who maximises your chance of short term
success though whilst Ronaldo is here.
success though whilst Ronaldo is here.
We have tried that before and it didnt work. The thing we havent tried is a progressive coach. Ten Hag is my preferred one, with Enrique as a close second.
You tried Conte before? I must have missed that.
They’ve found a very good manager in Tuchel, who seems to fit the squad they assembled with very attacking wing backs and centre back depth. Maybe that’s just luck. Maybe they identified that’s the kind of manager the squad needed.
Before that I’m failing to see anything so special that we should be looking to replicate. 2 titles in 11 years? One of them being with a manager that failed with us.
Agreed. He wouldn't last five minutes.
Our fanbase needs to realise, the club needs someone to manage the team - not a step dad for the fanbase.
Find another way of getting over your daddy issues. See a therapist or something.
Find another way of getting over your daddy issues. See a therapist or something.
You'd think a fanbase that went through Jose Mourinho's football would be wiser than this. But nope, I keep hearing the dreaded similarities again: "He is going to win us trophies" "He is going to make us defensively solid"
Lads, he will feck off in 2 years while leaving behind the likes of Ashley Young and Lukaku. And then we'll need another rebuild and 500 million pounds to be competitive again. Antonio can feck right off.
Lads, he will feck off in 2 years while leaving behind the likes of Ashley Young and Lukaku. And then we'll need another rebuild and 500 million pounds to be competitive again. Antonio can feck right off.
Here's an idea, we stop thinking long term and short term and just appoint the best manager we can that's available and go from there? Long term or short term positions are reliant on the individuals performance in the role, not a condition to hire someone based on.
Fecking true. You have a team who conceeds goals as if they have a goal diarrhea , yet people won't take a serial winner now.
Feck off !
Oh man, I love your posts with regard to the cult of the manager. It is a fecking disease and one of the main reasons (in addition to the incompetent board) for the shambles we have been these years.
I'd take him now. Though we dint have the players for a five at the back might be an issue but good managers can usually deal with these things
I’ve been against it but maybe this side could do with a defensive coach to implement some actual structure - and a manager who doesn’t indulge everyone.
What the feck?
I think he's a top manager no doubt about that and even though I'd want him here we've got to be honest, it would end in tears and I'm afraid quite quickly as well with this shit board.
Ole isn't the solution. But I highly doubt Conte is.
You mean just like Mourinho did?
To be fair, Lukaku is better than any of our strikers. Maybe Ronaldo is on par with him, but that's it.
Young was a squad player. That cost them nothing. He probably is not much worse than the 55m AWB.
The United fan mentality is because we've had spells with Mourinho and Van Gaal that didn't end well, we should never look for a top manager again.
Anyone thinking our next manager will last more than 2-3 seasons is deluded.
Different squad now. Packed full of supposed winners and leaders right?
It's like, 'Di Maria and Sanchez failed so let's just play Bebe forever, instead'. fecking absurd.
You had the past it versions of those two aswell, Conte is far from that unfortunately.
I wonder why we are still buying World Class players after our experiences with Falcao and Di Maria? We should stick playing academy guys, who know and love the club!
Go speak to someone else.
There first season in the champions league was last season when Conte got them second after years of failure. Like I said 2011/2012.
If you don’t know your facts don’t criticise the man.
Juventus won six consecutive titles after Conte left, Chelsea has won a UEFA Champions League title since Conte left, and has one of the best squads in the league. Inter Milan are in a better position than they have ever been.
The notion that Conte would leave us with a poor squad is a common misconception based on the fact Mourinho left us in a poor condition, and Mourinho and Conte are both great, successful managers.
The point is, why the feck would you go after Conte, who will feck off in 2 years time when someone like Ten Hag is attainable? Ten Hag ticks all the boxes yet our fans want another Mourinho special. Crazy
The point is, this short termist managers leave the team in a much worse condition as opposed to when they take other. Sure it works for team like Real or Chelsea, but I doubt our fanbase will approve us sliding in that direction.
See out the season with Ole and spend the intervening period nailing down Ten Hag to a lengthy contract and laying the groundwork for his preferred transfer targets.
The issue with Conte is that the squad isn't suited for his preferred style and formation. Shaping it to his liking is just more investment in a different direction.
Except neither of them were top managers when we appointed them. Also hard to call any manager with Conte’s CL record a top manager. That no name over at Ajax has done far more in Europe than Conte has with far less time and resources.
I think it is a roll of the dice with Conte. Arguably nobody out there is more likely to deliver silverware this year or next and have an immediate short-term impact, but I look at how the best clubs are currently run (City, Liverpool and Bayern) and they don’t try and indulge the short term when it comes at an inevitable cost. The problem is that if Ole has to be sacked, there are precious few obvious, alternative managers available.
Conte can be a total tool, but that's fine. We have to snap out of this habit of finding the perfect manager who "gets" Utd. Enough of this nostalgia and romantic non-sense. Liverpool gave us a blueprint on what NOT to do to get back to the top, and instead of avoiding those mistakes, we are following it to the tee. Absolutely sickening.
Get the best man possible for the job. Doesn't work out? Fine, sack him and move on to the next one. Doesn't work again? Fine. Try again. It should be no different to a player, you keep finding replacements till you find one of adequate quality. You don't stick with Obertans and McNairs for a reason. Manager should be no different.
All those fans who think sacking and hiring managers is not United DNA can feck right off. We've been a total joke, lapped up and lost under the red eyed mist of nostalgia.
Get the best man possible for the job. Doesn't work out? Fine, sack him and move on to the next one. Doesn't work again? Fine. Try again. It should be no different to a player, you keep finding replacements till you find one of adequate quality. You don't stick with Obertans and McNairs for a reason. Manager should be no different.
All those fans who think sacking and hiring managers is not United DNA can feck right off. We've been a total joke, lapped up and lost under the red eyed mist of nostalgia.
Will take interim manager and then manager in 3-4 year cycle.
To be fair I’m with you but the issue with LVG and Jose was that they were shit. And well past their peak. Conte is neither of those things.
Wouldn't want him anywhere near us.
I understand some folk are desperate right now, but hes not the only manager available, be another chelsea w##ker managing us and a drama queen to go with it, going up against 3 of the best managers and clubs in Europe at the moment, but people think just a tweak and we can win the big prizes, it's all it takes.
If they getting a manager in I'd rather they actually made a positive progressive appointment, but highly doubt they even get that right.
I understand some folk are desperate right now, but hes not the only manager available, be another chelsea w##ker managing us and a drama queen to go with it, going up against 3 of the best managers and clubs in Europe at the moment, but people think just a tweak and we can win the big prizes, it's all it takes.
If they getting a manager in I'd rather they actually made a positive progressive appointment, but highly doubt they even get that right.
And he plays the youth. And he won't feck off after 2 years if he's successful. And he plays attacking football as well. And he doesn't need to sign his preferred players or he throws a bitch fit. But nope, let's go with the "proven option" because our current manager is shite.
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