Would you sell Rashford?

Giggsy PO said:
The question is how do you interpret these statistics. Michael Owen had even better numbers at the same age. Did Liverpool really miss him? You cannot make decisions only on past performances. If you do not contribute to the present, your past performances are good for history books.
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The big different is MO was sold to Madrid because he was reaching his peak and the galacticos wanted him, same as when we sold Beckham and Ronaldo. This discussion is about binning off somebody suddenly deemed not good enough even though he has carried this club for years, even last season when basically crippled through multiple injury. A bit of respect and appreciation for the lad wouldn’t go amiss. The point of the past stats is to illustrate he has earned that at least.
There are undoubtedly players at this club who are not good enough for one reason or another. Rashford simply isn’t one of them. His poor form is concerning but it’s way, way down our list of problems as a club.
 
wolvored said:
I think you would be lucky to get offered 40 mill never mind 80 mill. You can buy haarland for 62 mill this summer and he is miles better. Who would bid for a player that's forgotten to play football?
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Yeah but the Haaland situation is unique to his release clause, his actual value is probably £150m+

Someone like Newcastle, Everton or an ambitious, cash-rich team like Aston Villa would no doubt be interested in Rashford at £50m/60m.

If he can regain his best form, he's still a very useful player and in those sides, he'd probably get more room. He's really poor against a low-block, but how often do Everton, Newcastle or Villa play against low-block teams?
 
Plant0x84 said:
The big different is MO was sold to Madrid because he was reaching his peak and the galacticos wanted him, same as when we sold Beckham and Ronaldo. This discussion is about binning off somebody suddenly deemed not good enough even though he has carried this club for years, even last season when basically crippled through multiple injury. A bit of respect and appreciation for the lad wouldn’t go amiss. The point of the past stats is to illustrate he has earned that at least.
There are undoubtedly players at this club who are not good enough for one reason or another. Rashford simply isn’t one of them. His poor form is concerning but it’s way, way down our list of problems as a club.
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I think we can agree on that. There are far more serious and imminent issues to deal with at the moment. I would not say he carried the club for years but for sure he was a bright spark. We just to need to be very careful for how long past stats will give Marcus a free bye for the future.
 
Plant0x84 said:
The big different is MO was sold to Madrid because he was reaching his peak and the galacticos wanted him, same as when we sold Beckham and Ronaldo. This discussion is about binning off somebody suddenly deemed not good enough even though he has carried this club for years, even last season when basically crippled through multiple injury. A bit of respect and appreciation for the lad wouldn’t go amiss. The point of the past stats is to illustrate he has earned that at least.
There are undoubtedly players at this club who are not good enough for one reason or another. Rashford simply isn’t one of them. His poor form is concerning but it’s way, way down our list of problems as a club.
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I agree with your general sentiment, but disagree with the bolded part. I think sorting out our attack is a massive priority.

We're having major issues in the attacking department, a number of our attacking players are not tracking back or pressing enough for the type of football we're trying to play, which is costing the team. And even now with the glut of chances we're creating, the attackers are struggling to score goals - that's the major reason we haven't taken max points over the past few games.

I would argue that in terms of performance levels per position, no other player in any other position (Shaw and Maguire included) has been as underwhelming as Rashford. It's a massive problem that needs solving pronto.

I don't know if selling Rashford is necessarily the answer, however, something needs doing.
I'd be less concerned if he's been working really hard and things are not going for him, but Marcus seems disinterested and is definitely not working as hard as he should be (his work ethic was one of his best traits in the past) for whatever reason.

My ideal scenario would be that he regains his mojo
 
Plant0x84 said:
Came across this post on Facebook but it sums up my thoughts succinctly.

Shame on anyone who truly thinks our club would be better off without Marcus.
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What kind of logic is that? When a player is not good enough at one point, whether it is Rashford or whoever, and it looks like the old form is not getting back, the club needs to ask these questions. Look at all the great players Fergie got rid of, it is a tough game
 
Runs of bad form usually last a month or two, not a whole year. The surgery that supposedly was going to fix everything seems to have made him even worse than before. It’s his onfield body language that annoys me and probably most other people too. He looks like he doesn’t give a feck and he’s the local lad, not Johnny Foreigner who‘s kissing the badge when the cheque comes through in the mail.

Maybe the club has had the foresight to think maybe he’s not good enough and hence why you’re seeing this regression in ability and noticeable attitude change, as we’re not exactly rushing to the table with improved terms for him.
 
This Summer will left him with 2 years on his contract. Club need to decide whether to cash him in or have him sign a new contract.
It would be silly to let it run to his last year of contract.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Came across this post on Facebook but it sums up my thoughts succinctly.

Shame on anyone who truly thinks our club would be better off without Marcus.
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Marcus needs to change his attitude and commitment on the pitch. It's glaringly obvious he's half assing his way through too many matches and making the same mistakes over and over. He needs to be held accountable, which started with him not being a week in, week out starter. He's lost his place to Elanga and Sancho, even Pogba, at times.
 
Isotope said:
This Summer will left him with 2 years on his contract. Club need to decide whether to cash him in or have him sign a new contract.
It would be silly to let it run to his last year of contract.
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How fitting we will start to offer a new bumper contract soon
 
Isotope said:
SUmmer 2023, he'll have 1 more year in his contract. When will we ever learn to NOT leave player with 1 more year left??

Unless you're comfortable with the drama, player sulking and don't bother, waiting to go for free, or we have to give him undeserved massive wage for another 4 years.
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As I said, I would let him leave if we had good options. We don't have those options. You're leaving us extremely short doing it. I don't have faith that the club will replace him. There are too many things to fix this summer. If there was a 100% guarantee that he would be replaced, I would be fine with him being sold.
 
edcunited1878 said:
Marcus needs to change his attitude and commitment on the pitch. It's glaringly obvious he's half assing his way through too many matches and making the same mistakes over and over. He needs to be held accountable, which started with him not being a week in, week out starter. He's lost his place to Elanga and Sancho, even Pogba, at times.
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That’s a proportionate response. Absolutely no problem with any player who is out of form being dropped/rested and made to earn there place in the team back. What isn’t proportionate and I have a problem with is just sacking him off needlessly.
 
Glorio said:
I agree with your general sentiment, but disagree with the bolded part. I think sorting out our attack is a massive priority.

We're having major issues in the attacking department, a number of our attacking players are not tracking back or pressing enough for the type of football we're trying to play, which is costing the team. And even now with the glut of chances we're creating, the attackers are struggling to score goals - that's the major reason we haven't taken max points over the past few games.

I would argue that in terms of performance levels per position, no other player in any other position (Shaw and Maguire included) has been as underwhelming as Rashford. It's a massive problem that needs solving pronto.

I don't know if selling Rashford is necessarily the answer, however, something needs doing.
I'd be less concerned if he's been working really hard and things are not going for him, but Marcus seems disinterested and is definitely not working as hard as he should be (his work ethic was one of his best traits in the past) for whatever reason.

My ideal scenario would be that he regains his mojo
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I agree sorting our attack is a priority, possibly only after our midfield. However, I don’t agree with those who think selling Rashford is a good move, or a pressing issue. I feel we should be looking to replace Cavani, Greenwood, Martial and working out if we can count on Cristiano next season or not.
 
Giggsy PO said:
The question is how do you interpret these statistics. Michael Owen had even better numbers at the same age. Did Liverpool really miss him? You cannot make decisions only on past performances. If you do not contribute to the present, your past performances are good for history books.
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likewise you shouldn't make decisions based on current form
 
calodo2003 said:
Then how / when should we make a decision on Rashford? We’ve seen over 15 months of stagnation / regression.
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we need to wait until 1 year left on his contract. Then, we make decision.

It's been working well with others, why change?
 
The people seeing him everyday in training should know exactly what his issues are about and should make a call based on that.

We are far too passive in our decision making which causes us to not be able to make money from sellable assets, has happened in the last few years with Jesse, Pogba, Henderson and may now be happening with Rashford.
 
I've been wondering recently how United fans would be if Havertz was their player.
 
Yes, as he's been off the boil for well over a year now. Maybe he's just not that interested in football any longer.
 
Not a chance. He is a super player but I'd be worried about the amount he has taken on his shoulders. I'm not one of those who thinks "he should concentrate solely on football" but I do think he looks like a young-fella who is carrying the weight of the world.

He needs a break and I hope he gets one this summer. Next year with more certainty and less negativity around the club (hopefully) I think we'll see Rashford kick on again.
 
The problem isn't if he should be sold but how the club is so inadequate at decent scouting and recruitment that a guy like Rashford can be woeful for well over a year and still be a regular starter in the team.

There is a form of natural selection in teams that win things and that's not been the case at United for a long time.
 
Yes for the right price and as long as the full amount is used to replace him, with quality. I don't know how much UTD could get I'd guess at over £60 Million. And I'd say a club from abroad would pay it. Investment is needed, in the summer and ins and outs will be on the cards
 
I'd rather ask whether he needs United. I think it would do him wonders getting a change of atmosphere. He doesn't owe us anything
 
I could understand wanting to sell Rashford if he was underperforming amongst a wealth of other options upfront but it couldn't be anything further from the case.

So this Summer we will lose a raft of attacking players who dont even want to be at the club it seems. Martial, Lingard, Pogba, Cavani will all go.

We've Greenwood and we all know that situation

We've Ronaldo who is done and takes up 10% of our wage budget.

We've Diallo and Pellestri who arent ready/good enough

With all that in mind I struggle to understand the thinking behind selling Rashford any time soon.

Even if you think Rashford is in permanent decline which is ridiculous the timing would be way off given the crazy summer of squad rebuilding we have ahead of us

personally i expect Rashford to rediscover form and make a good squad contribution over the next 6 or 7 years
 
CloneMC16 said:
As I said, I would let him leave if we had good options. We don't have those options. You're leaving us extremely short doing it. I don't have faith that the club will replace him. There are too many things to fix this summer. If there was a 100% guarantee that he would be replaced, I would be fine with him being sold.
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Yeah IF we didn't have so many other priority issues to solve then would say Utd should consider it, however we do and would leave us extremely short in the forward line
 
UnitedFire said:
He turns 25 this year. Plenty of time in his career to come good again, but would you cash in anyway?

I'm certainly starting to get to the point that if someone offered £70m+ I'd take it. That's a probably highly unlikely price given current form, but one of Madrid or Barca might be tempted to see if they can get the best out of him again.

Might just be we need a better midfield and lots of players will improve, but Rashford really is looking awful.
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The problem isn’t selling players like him.

The problem is finding players who are available to come in and do a better job.

Just like I’d have no issue selling AWB, Shaw, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay. But only if adequate replacements are available.
 
We just aren’t making enough runs in behind, and Rashford is the one player that does that. He’s playing like shit for sure, but I’m still a big believer. Right now I’d like to see us play a midfield of Matic, Fred and Bruno, with a front three of Pogba, Rashford and Sancho.
 
The club would never sell Rashford, it's just a ridiculous idea. He is a 24 year old full international, decent career so far, English, huge online following, there's no way the Glazers ever green light him being sold, he's a poster boy for the club.

Should he be sold? No I don't think so. He deserves time to return to form. There will be a point however where enough is enough but that point isn't reached yet, perhaps a question to revisit at the end of next season.
 
SuperiorXI said:
The club would never sell Rashford, it's just a ridiculous idea. He is a 24 year old full international, decent career so far, English, huge online following, there's no way the Glazers ever green light him being sold, he's a poster boy for the club.

Should he be sold? No I don't think so. He deserves time to return to form. There will be a point however where enough is enough but that point isn't reached yet, perhaps a question to revisit at the end of next season.
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By the end of next season, he's technically a free agent. Club has an option to extend a further year until 23/24. If he's not a bang on starter, why should he be given new terms at similar or greater wages? If he's a squad player with the potential to rotate into the starting XI, but not a bona fide starting XI, then he shouldn't be paid like one and embrace his role.
 
The idea that him walking around on the pitch looking like he’s Billy Big Bollocks who doesn’t need to put in a shift for two years is okay because his ‘following’ means he’s untouchable is probably almost enough for Sir Alex to buy himself a shovel so he can voluntarily spin in something that resembles a grave.
 
Chief123 said:
The problem isn’t selling players like him.

The problem is finding players who are available to come in and do a better job.

Just like I’d have no issue selling AWB, Shaw, Maguire, Fred, Mctominay. But only if adequate replacements are available.
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Based on his standards over the past year, that isn't a problem at all.
 
Rashford is on a massive contract. He'll probably miss out on the World Cup and other clubs can see his star is on the wane. As ever we are lumbered with a player whose contract far outweighs his talent.
 
Frank Grimes said:
Rashford is on a massive contract. He'll probably miss out on the World Cup and other clubs can see his star is on the wane. As ever we are lumbered with a player whose contract far outweighs his talent.
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I think that probably unfair. I don’t think he lacks talent. I think he’s in a rut, that’s all. If he has another bad season next season then maybe we can say he’s not going to push on and he’s settling in to become a middling player but I think it’s too early to rush to judgement. He’s been very good in previous seasons, with some obvious development to still come. He’s having a bad year, no doubt, but he’s a player I’d really like to see under a new permanent manager, especially if it’s ETH. Very few players are linear in their progress and very few players are excellent every season. Prior to the standards set by Messi and Ronaldo, it was pretty common for players to have slumps. Just thinking back to the days of Fergie I remember Giggs having a slump in his mid twenties, Scholes dropping off sharply for a season when Veron came in. Hughes being dropped for half a season because he wasn’t scoring.

The difference then was we had high standards of excellence and players to come in and replace them. But I ultimately think periods like this are normal for most players and if he can work his way out of it, spend some time on the bench and have to fight his way back into the team, he will be a better and stronger player for it. I am heartened by the fact we’ve seen Rangnick willing to leave him out.
 
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simonhch said:
I think that probably unfair. I don’t think he lacks talent. I think he’s in a rut, that’s all. If he has another bad season next season then maybe we can say he’s not going to push on and he’s settling in to become a middling player but I think it’s too early to rush to judgement. He’s been very good in previous seasons, with some obvious development to still come. He’s having a bad year, no doubt, but he’s a player I’d really like to see under a new permanent manager, especially if it’s ETH.
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I've always felt he was not good enough for a team looking to win major titles. I'm more convinced now than ever.
 
Frank Grimes said:
I've always felt he was not good enough for a team looking to win major titles. I'm more convinced now than ever.
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Yeah I’m not convinced of that at all. Mainly because I don’t believe in having a first XI. I believe in having a strong squad. Naturally players emerge that, through form, almost demand to be considered first choice, but really success comes from having options and competition for places. In that way, I think Rashford has a potentially important role to play as one of 5-6 forwards competing for 3-4 spots.
 
Plant0x84 said:
Came across this post on Facebook but it sums up my thoughts succinctly.

Shame on anyone who truly thinks our club would be better off without Marcus.
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Basically it's all about reputation. Martial had the same record a year back but wasn't deemed untouchable due to the lofty home grown status. I wouldn't sell Rashford yet, I'd give him next season. But it's clear why he should be on the edge - his performances have even consistently rubbish
 
simonhch said:
Yeah I’m not convinced of that at all. Mainly because I don’t believe in having a first XI. I believe in having a strong squad. Naturally players emerge that, through form, almost demand to be considered first choice, but really success comes from having options and competition for places. In that way, I think Rashford has a potentially important role to play as one of 5-6 forwards competing for 3-4 spots.
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We’ll be winning nowt so long as Rashford is capable of competing with the rest of our attacking options. It really amazes me how low standards have become.
 
edcunited1878 said:
By the end of next season, he's technically a free agent. Club has an option to extend a further year until 23/24. If he's not a bang on starter, why should he be given new terms at similar or greater wages? If he's a squad player with the potential to rotate into the starting XI, but not a bona fide starting XI, then he shouldn't be paid like one and embrace his role.
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Yeh. Keep seeing this point is easily ignored by some. "wait until the end of next season" is reasonable, but people need to address that 1 year contract left issue. It's easier to play dumb about it though.
 
MvG said:
We’ll be winning nowt so long as Rashford is capable of competing with the rest of our attacking options. It really amazes me how low standards have become.
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What doesn’t surprise me is how fickle and myopic much of our fan base is.
 
I wouldn’t give up on rashford just yet. I’d give him another season and see if the new manager can get him to re discover his form. A fit and firing rashford is lethal. Plus if we sold him we would need to sign like another 3 forwards, martial and lingard Will be gone. Maybe Ronaldo.
 
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