If we get Raphinha/Antony I would persist with him see how he does after a full pre season. But Also assess him during pre season whether he picks up his work rate or not.
Would you sell Rashford?
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Being out of form (albeit for what feels like is approaching over 2 years now), is one thing. But that extreme lack of effort on the pitch is inexcusable. It’s an insult to the club and to the manager/fans. I’d sell him if it means the money goes into the kitty for reinvestment.
My conclusion about him a couples years ago aged well
I'd trade him for a washing machine tbh.
You can't have a guy stinking up the place for nearly 2 years on 200k a week and that includes the likes of martial. If we want an evolution here and real change we need to get these guys out of the club.
What happens if garnoucho, garner, mcneil...come in and become first team players next year? They'll want what rashford is on! We have to be ruthless, rashford has been awful and we need to show that if you aren't good enough you're out.
What happens if garnoucho, garner, mcneil...come in and become first team players next year? They'll want what rashford is on! We have to be ruthless, rashford has been awful and we need to show that if you aren't good enough you're out.
It's pretty clear he doesn't have what it takes to be a top forward at this point, couple that with the current evidence of him not being the sort of player to fight his way into a team, and I think it becomes obvious that we should move him on while we can still get decent cash for him. Even if he goes elsewhere and ends up a good player, we will hopefully sign a good player in his stead anyway, without all of the baggage Rashford brings.
Him being an academy player is overrated, given he does not possess the 1 characteristic that is supposed to define a homegrown lad, which is 100% effort and dedication no matter what.
Him being an academy player is overrated, given he does not possess the 1 characteristic that is supposed to define a homegrown lad, which is 100% effort and dedication no matter what.
This is where I'm at.
You can defend bad performances, but a lack of effort is the worst. And it's clear this season Rashford hasn't been giving 100%. I think back to that Villa cup game where there was a chance of a rebound to score and he just couldn't be bothered to run. One of the most glaring examples of a player not giving a shit that I've seen.
To then be leaking stories about how unhappy he is with his minutes and he wants assurances of more game time despite half arsing it all season is insulting to Utd fans
He might do if he can't keep Sancho on the right. I don't see Rashford accepting a right sided role and being a backup for Sancho, he'll have to be brilliant on the left, if he loses form and ETH uses Sancho on the left I can see Rashford struggling to get back. I don't see him being a central striker. Rashford has to nail the left hand side here or move to another club to do that there and resurrect his England chances. His England career and United place that he has known might not ever return.
He doesn't deserve to wear the shirt, if he is not prepared to even fight for this club.
I have changed my opinion of Rashford after these past 12 months.
I have changed my opinion of Rashford after these past 12 months.
This is what it comes down to. Despite what people like to say to defend Rashford, he isn't putting in any effort. Thats quite literally the baseline that anyone can expect from a United player or a professional in general. I never saw Dan James come off the pitch and think "god he was lazy today". Very limited footballer yes but lazy, never. Dan James wasn't on £200k/week either.
I would happily see him gone and never think about him again. I don't care if he regains his form elsewhere. That would just be another indictment on his complete lack of character as a United player IMO.
£200,000 a week and talks of a new contract ? This club will never change if we are giving this waste of space a new contract. They need to take a long look at Liverpools wage structure and look at how they perform on a pitch compared to our overpaid bunch of clowns
I think he forgot the decimal point between the 8 and 585 million?
This is it isn’t it?
I‘m certain he’ll deny it but it’s clear as day that periods these last 2 years, he just hasn’t tried. Now there may be a legitimate reason for that, mental health, family troubles etc. however not trying is completely unforgivable. Talent isn’t a given, I’ve said for years Martial is the more talented player in my eyes. Greenwood has twice the talent that Rashford has. But looking at some of the clips this season, he should be absolutely ashamed of some of his output, I don’t know how he’s able to look back on his performances and not be utterly embarrassed.
Should he ever achieve such levels for us again on a consistent basis, not forgetting that even the Rashford of previous seasons still needed to improve to be considered a forward a club like us should be relying on, then I think the fans will quickly forget this year.
That said, any sustained periods of bad form, perceived lack of effort, and everyone will certainly remember what this year has shown us about his character*. He should have a been so invigorated by the arrival of Ronaldo that he'd run himself into the ground every match to allow him to concentrate on doing the hard bit (true of so many others).
*short of there being some extenuating circumstances yet to be disclosed, e.g. injuries, off-field issues.
Such a shame, we're here with him. Think it's fair to say that if Greenwood was available there'd be a much higher chance of Rashford being allowed to leave. Reality is that he or Martial have got to stay 1 more season given the number of players leaving.
If he regains his form - I personally don't think he will lose it again as he enters in to his prime.
If he doesn’t regain his form next year then I think he has lost it forever.
If he doesn’t regain his form next year then I think he has lost it forever.
Personally, I think it would be really sad to see the lad go. When he first came through he was a boy with a lot of raw talent, who was actually putting up some very impressive numbers. While he can be incredibly frustrating (I've voiced this many times,) I don't like how a lot of the fanbase has turned against him. But there's no denying that his performances have not been good enough for some time. I mean, let's be honest, they're been woeful.
He looks broke to me, and I'm not sure if there's any way back for him here. I would love to think that EtH could get something out of him with some proper coaching, which he probably hasn't had in...forever, but honestly, I just don't see it.
As I said, I personally think it will be a sad day if he does indeed leave and would say just as much about us as a club, as it would about him.
He looks broke to me, and I'm not sure if there's any way back for him here. I would love to think that EtH could get something out of him with some proper coaching, which he probably hasn't had in...forever, but honestly, I just don't see it.
As I said, I personally think it will be a sad day if he does indeed leave and would say just as much about us as a club, as it would about him.
Furthermore his off field politics is ruining the team.
You cant have his brigade and the ex players all putting pressure on ETH
You cant have his brigade and the ex players all putting pressure on ETH
What does this mean?
Even that might be pushing it
It certainly would say something about us as a club, that we are done hanging onto players past the point where they are useful to us
Transfermkt has him at 63 million, down 7 million from last week.85 million?
And thats the exact mentality that will see us not challenge for a title in the next 10 years.
I don't know what people are expecting from ETH, he is not a miracle worker. It's down to the player himself to want to make or have change. From what we all seen from Rashford lately tells us that is not going to be easy.
Yep, playing through injuries etc. were all seemingly valid excuses last season, to cover his poor form. That means patience and giving him another chance to turn it around. But the lack of effort is just on another level and I really can’t think up any excuses to defend that.
I’d give him one more chance to prove himself under ETH. If he fails to deliver yet again then get rid.
Honestly just depends on how much someone is offering.
would love to believe this but I’ve seen literally no indication from him for months that he’s capable of going on a run.
If he was putting in the effort every game then you could forgive the lack of quality but he saunters about the pitch not arsed.
I’d actually love to see what his stats look like in terms of pressing and distance covered in comparison to his teammates in his recent outings if anyone has them.
it would depend on what your new coach wants, really.
It would say a lot more than that. Like the fact that we simply don't improve players.
Agree. Also sell Maguire for 100 mill, Martial for 80 mill, WB for 70 mill and Jones for 40 mill and we can have a brilliant rebuild this summer.
I think for his sake he needs to be sold to be honest. I don't hold much hope for him miraculously being able to press consistently and have a feeling if we bring someone in, he's going to continue to sulk on the bench, as he's not shown any sort of fight to get Elanga out the side.
Real shame, I think he'll get his mojo back somewhere else though, just don't think it's going to be here.
Real shame, I think he'll get his mojo back somewhere else though, just don't think it's going to be here.
I wouldn't. I'd keep him and play him as no.9 and then see if he is as good as he thinks he is.
At this point, I think it would be worth considering selling him if a really good offer comes in. Ie, North of 50 m. Although it's hardly beyond possible - or even very unlikely - that he'll get back on track under ten Hag, he seems to be in a really deep pit currently, and equally there are no guarantees he'll get out of it. And his obvious bad form is one thing, it doesn't explain his striking lack of effort in tracking back, which is something you'd normally expect to see from a player who's in a bad slump but determined to break out of it.
for all the moping and feeling sorry for himself Ralf has actually given him lots of gametime to prove himself. Get rid and lay a marker down this shit doesnt fly anymore
He got from A to B with the ball. That’ll do for me. Shame he doesn’t do that any more.
True. I was just saying you can’t just go on the most recent season and forget about his previous level.
Rashford at his best was nowhere close to prime Rooney, I wasn’t comparing them. I was pointing out the similar skewed perception of their quality after periods of poor performance. With Rooney it was age etc but we don’t know why Rashford has declined so much. My point is that he is young enough to regain his best levels and even improve. It’s a decision for ETH; I won’t lose sleep if he is sold.
My mentality will not affect our prospects for success.
The point was we have a very promising player who has had a terrible run of it with injury and poor form. We could sell the lot of them and start from scratch and I wouldn’t mind that but if we’re going to keep some of these lads, then he is one that is worth some effort and patience under the new manager. I wouldn’t apply that to everyone and if ETH doesn’t agree, he ships him out and that’s okay with me.
I don't think Rashfird's head is totally into football. He seems to be just as concerned with being some kind of social justice warrior. If he's not going to give 100% of what he has to football, we should sell him. I would hate to sell him, I think he's a very good player, but if his head is elsewhere , he's not good enough to get away giving football have his attention.