Only somebody who never watches football will compare these players with Rashford, they bring so much more to the game than just goals. Imagine Rashford in place of Hazard in Chelsea.
Would you sell Rashford?
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I'd be bonkers to sell Rashford at this point.
We're going to lose half of our attacking players this summer and we have trouble scoring goals as it is.
We're going to lose half of our attacking players this summer and we have trouble scoring goals as it is.
Perhaps you should be quoting the person I responded to then, considering I was using the comparisons to show the ridiculousness of looking solely at goal return and going "mid table at best".
You do the favor by yourself
. Maybe get some books to improve your reading comprehension.Back on topic. Both of his performance and attitude on the pitch stinks. No need to beat around the bush. We got a crock washed out Cavani who performed better (not saying much) and worked harder on the pitch than him.
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In a heartbeat. He's obviously better than what he's shown recently, but I don't think he'll ever be the consistent performer that we require, particularly when you consider how he is being paid.
I'd keep him. Academy boy, and not a bad option to have off the bench. And of course there could still be an upturn in form. We do need a squad after all. I'd get a left footed winger to play on the right though. Seeing as we're now short in that department.
No.
Are you comparing Rashford with world class playmakers now? Spare your man. He can't even be a good enough CF or a wide forward which he was supposed to be. Why don't you compare his numbers with other CFs at top clubs? In what world is he an influential playmaker? When did I say that goal returns are a parameter to judge a playmaker? But to spell it out for you, it is indeed the most important one to judge CENTER FORWARDS by. Jesus, this forum.
He meant you. Because you are making weird comparisons.Perhaps you should be quoting the person I responded to then, considering I was using the comparisons to show the ridiculousness of looking solely at goal return and going "mid table at best".
Why would you sell a 25 year old winger going through a bad patch even if it's been for about a year??
Has DaGea's form not taught the cafe anything??
Has DaGea's form not taught the cafe anything??
Or Dortmund or Bayern
I would, yes. If an offer came in of about 40-50m I'd probably take it.
Rashford isn't being sold. The end.
At the age of 25, Son had 59 goals in 197 league matches, mainly playing in a weaker league than Rashford.
You do the favor by yourself
Back on topic. Both of his performance and attitude on the pitch stinks. No need to beat around the bush. We got a crock washed out Cavani who performed better (not saying much) and worked harder on the pitch than him.
The cheek with the state of your posts.
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Even if we'd want to, it'd be difficult to offload him due to high wages he earns.
No, I'm pointing out how utterly ridiculous it is to judge wingers by nothing other than their goal records. They are all clearly better footballers than him but purely on goals, he stacks up well, which is why it is ridiculous.
He hasn't been a centre forward for about 5 years so why on earth would anyone compare his numbers with centre forwards?
As for "where did I say goal returns are a parameter", right here: " The guy has got 59 PL goals in 196 games. That's a decent mid table return at best. ". Hope this helps.
Not only is rashford out of form for two seasons now but he's dumb too which isn't helping matters. No one is expecting him to dribble past half the defense but he tries that every game numerous times failing every time and opening us up for a counter.
I'd even prefer dalot at rw over rashford!
I'd even prefer dalot at rw over rashford!
I doubt either would go near Rashford, but either club would be brilliant for him. I’d love to it happen.
Have we ever sent a player on loan to Bayern?
Edi was predictable due to his age, however agree the Mason thing no one saw coming
He has 15 months on his guaranteed contract, but the club has an option for the 23/24 season.
If other clubs are interested in his services, I would definitely listen to offers and see what he's worth. He's at his lowest transfer value and some club might take a 40M to 60M pound punt on him to buy low.
No player is bigger than the club and he's not pulling any of his weight considering he's United's no. 10, one of the highest earners at the club, yet he's not a guaranteed starter anymore after a clean slate given to him by Rangnick.
If he doesn't get his act together through the summer, and then his playing time at United is in question going into the new PL season, he may end up being left off the England NT for the World Cup. On merit, he doesn't deserve to be near the England squad, but on a political level and feel good level, he fits in well within the England camp.
If other clubs are interested in his services, I would definitely listen to offers and see what he's worth. He's at his lowest transfer value and some club might take a 40M to 60M pound punt on him to buy low.
No player is bigger than the club and he's not pulling any of his weight considering he's United's no. 10, one of the highest earners at the club, yet he's not a guaranteed starter anymore after a clean slate given to him by Rangnick.
If he doesn't get his act together through the summer, and then his playing time at United is in question going into the new PL season, he may end up being left off the England NT for the World Cup. On merit, he doesn't deserve to be near the England squad, but on a political level and feel good level, he fits in well within the England camp.
The hope would be that the next manager can get something more out of him !! His value would be low but his wage is high.. bad time to sell ..
If we had other options, I probably would at this point. The issue is, we don't have other options. Selling him this summer wouldn't be a good move. We're already going to lose quite a few players. They can't all be replaced in one summer. We would be left with Sancho, Elanga, and Amad as our wingers. I think we're going to have to hope that he can get back into form. I would 100% be looking to move him on in summer 2023 if he continues to play like this throughout next season. That's way too long for his form to be this poor.
We already need a right winger and a new striker. Probably a backup striker as well. Selling Rashford on top of that would be a bad decision.
We already need a right winger and a new striker. Probably a backup striker as well. Selling Rashford on top of that would be a bad decision.
SUmmer 2023, he'll have 1 more year in his contract. When will we ever learn to NOT leave player with 1 more year left??
Unless you're comfortable with the drama, player sulking and don't bother, waiting to go for free, or we have to give him undeserved massive wage for another 4 years.
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Right now the only difference between him and Lingard is that, he does more good things and little to no bad with his fame. But his forms have been shocking.
your point being? Son is still an average player. Has won nothing and is still playing for an average team.You quoted playmakers names and now you are saying wingers. Rashford is a winger now? Wow. I guess I missed the news then. Ok then how many assists, key passes, goal contributions etc does he have being a winger?
How the hell have you missed that he plays from the wing? Do you not watch football?
Don’t bother answering my last post, I can see now that you clearly do not watch football.
I don't think we'd miss much from the footballing side if we were to move him on but he's another player who seems to be getting away with it because of more pressing problems in the make-up of the squad, due to consistently bad decision-making.
We have so many issues in forward positions right now, I would keep him and do anything we can to try and get him back to his old form or as near as possible to it. Ronaldo, Cavani and Greenwood issues need resolving first.
Whhaaaatttt???
The way he has been playing over the last twelve or so months he is as useless as the likes of Cavani and Greenwood. There is a saying in my native language 'don't count mice along with their tails', that's what we will be effectively doing.
The smart money will be to buy a guy like Rafinha, who won't cost the world and who won't throw a hizzy fit should Rashford regain his form and becomes a starter again. But if he can't return to his level over the course of next season we should cut him loose.
Can't sell him now. There are practically no options left and we're not gonna buy three strikers this summer.
Came across this post on Facebook but it sums up my thoughts succinctly.
Shame on anyone who truly thinks our club would be better off without Marcus.
I’d wager We’re running his contract down simply because there arent any other options at the club and we will be hoping day in day out that he regains his form. He was never the prolific player we hoped he’d be but i still cant put him in the Delle Ali category.
not sure if the surgery messed him up that bad. Hopefully a long rest and a good summer training camp will get him back to his standards. He is still 25 so in principle just approaching what his peak years would be.
not sure if the surgery messed him up that bad. Hopefully a long rest and a good summer training camp will get him back to his standards. He is still 25 so in principle just approaching what his peak years would be.
The answer to this question, as with selling any player, should really be based on whether we think we could end up with a net positive (in terms of footballing ability in the squad) for the money we would receive. Think about when Michael Edwards sold Coutinho. It was seen as the end of a bright period and a massive blow to the club - it was actually the beginning.
It's widely accepted that we have been poor at selling players. We have old-fashioned, romantic ideas. We're also too hung-up still on the idea of individual brilliance/ability. I used to read stories about PSG and Barcelona being interested at prices north of £100m. I would have sold at that point. It's no secret that I never rated Rashford as a top footballer and knew the odd flash of magic or purple patch of goalscoring masked major deficiencies and technical flaws.
For £100m+, we could definitely have got a couple of players who really would have made a huge difference to our XI
Nowadays, what would we get for Rashford? £60m, maybe? I'd say it becomes a more difficult decision. I quite like Rashford as an impact-sub, and he is better than he has shown lately. For me, if a team were willing to pay £80m+, it's 'sell'. If not, keep, play back into some form/confidence, be realistic about his strengths and weaknesses and use him as an impact sub, coming on after 60/70mins to utilise his directness and pace
It's widely accepted that we have been poor at selling players. We have old-fashioned, romantic ideas. We're also too hung-up still on the idea of individual brilliance/ability. I used to read stories about PSG and Barcelona being interested at prices north of £100m. I would have sold at that point. It's no secret that I never rated Rashford as a top footballer and knew the odd flash of magic or purple patch of goalscoring masked major deficiencies and technical flaws.
For £100m+, we could definitely have got a couple of players who really would have made a huge difference to our XI
Nowadays, what would we get for Rashford? £60m, maybe? I'd say it becomes a more difficult decision. I quite like Rashford as an impact-sub, and he is better than he has shown lately. For me, if a team were willing to pay £80m+, it's 'sell'. If not, keep, play back into some form/confidence, be realistic about his strengths and weaknesses and use him as an impact sub, coming on after 60/70mins to utilise his directness and pace
The question is how do you interpret these statistics. Michael Owen had even better numbers at the same age. Did Liverpool really miss him? You cannot make decisions only on past performances. If you do not contribute to the present, your past performances are good for history books.
No, not for a while at least. He's been woefully off form but at his best that he showed here he can be a starter for a competitive team. If this season's form is his new normal and carries on for all of next season though, then yeah there would be no place for him after the end of next season. He's barely any help as a squad player right now.
** this is assuming we get our shit together and get a competitive squad. Otherwise there are bigger problems than Rashford not being a squad player through a rough patch.
** this is assuming we get our shit together and get a competitive squad. Otherwise there are bigger problems than Rashford not being a squad player through a rough patch.
I think you would be lucky to get offered 40 mill never mind 80 mill. You can buy haarland for 62 mill this summer and he is miles better. Who would bid for a player that's forgotten to play football?