Would you sell Rashford?

If a player is actively out of form for over a year then I think you start asking serious questions.

Players can have shit seasons but they better hit that ground running at the start of the next one.

Rashford‘s 2021 was not great stats wise and the supposed surgery he got to rectify ongoing problems has if anything made him worse. His onfield body langauge is irksome to watch.

Hes not a little kid anymore. He is essentially beginning his prime years as a player and has played over 300 games as a pro at this point. 5 goals and 2 assists from 23 games is not great, especially when you’re on £200k a week. I don’t care if you’re Johnny Foreigner from somewhere as far as from Manchester as you can get or Johnny Local from Railway Road in Stretford and been on the Utd books since 8 years old.
 
I can't imagine anyone looks at this Marcus and thinks it's anything other than mental. Given how much money and resources both the club and he himself have, I have to imagine he's getting the best professional help.

There's no world where we sell him this summer, so let's hope he has a nice long break, remembers that football is suppsoed to be the fun bit of life and comes back looking like he doesn't hate his profession.
 
I wouldn’t sell him but without a massive upturn in form we need to move away from him being a starter. The player he’s been for the last year or two isn’t good enough for where we are much less where we want to get to.
 
I’d sell him in a heartbeat and would have answered the same 12 months ago.

However, currently, I’d give him a run as our number 9 and drop Ronaldo. Give him his best chance to drop some goals and get his confidence up.
 
stevoc said:
Are you speaking just for yourself or for everyone?

By the way all I said was the Daily Mail would be pleased as they don't seem to like Marcus all that much.
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Well of course Im speaking for myself but I have seen plenty of people who have criticised Rashford being accused of various things when in fact what they are doing is commenting on a footballers ability to play football. Im sure you have seen it yourself.
 
stevoc said:
What are you asking exactly?

His form has been a disgrace?

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It has been a disgrace. He struts on the pitch like prime Maradona while almost every decision and touch he makes are garbage. Do you think his form has been acceptable ?
 
Yeah I would because think there are players out there who would offer more to this team. Really thought once he had the surgery would see a revitalised player but I was badly mistaken.
 
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I think he's either lost motivation to play and thinks cos he's a United boy we won't get rid of him or he's struggling to bounce back from injuries. Ideally i'd send him out on loan for a season to fire a warning shot that we're not afraid to sell him which could motivate him. And if he get's motivated again he could be a useful player for us, but if he does poor in the loan as well then sell.
 
I'd sell but we lack the vision to see the obvious at club level so we will persist and any sign of upturn in form will see him get a new contract. What we have seen with attacking players whose form has fallen off a cliff for us is that they rarely get their form back after a sustained period of under performance.

We have seen this with Rooney, Nani, Hernandez, Sanchez and Martial. They never come good but just like Rooney, Rashford's passport will earn him a new contract soon which managers will struggle to navigate.

As for posters saying selling Rashford will result in us needing to buy four attackers my reply to this is, 'where have you been over the past five or so years'. Just recently Rashford was where Elanga is right now, we already have a replacement because even if Elanga/Amad won't provide us with what peak Rashford gave us, he too won't but collectively they earn a fifth of what he is getting to walk around the pitch.

The hunger and love for the game is gone, he will never recover it but a move away could reignite the fire in him and earn us money at the same time. Keeping heads in sand will do neither.
 
AneRu said:
I'd sell but we lack the vision to see the obvious at club level so we will persist and any sign of upturn in form will see him get a new contract. What we have seen with attacking players whose form has fallen off a cliff for us is that they rarely get their form back after a sustained period of under performance.

We have seen this with Rooney, Nani, Hernandez, Sanchez and Martial. They never come good but just like Rooney, Rashford's passport will earn him a new contract soon which managers will struggle to navigate.

As for posters saying selling Rashford will result in us needing to buy four attackers my reply to this is, 'where have you been over the past five or so years'. Just recently Rashford was where Elanga is right now, we already have a replacement because even if Elanga/Amad won't provide us with what peak Rashford gave us, he too won't but collectively they earn a fifth of what he is getting to walk around the pitch.

The hunger and love for the game is gone, he will never recover it but a move away could reignite the fire in him and earn us money at the same time. Keeping heads in sand will do neither.
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Talking a lot of sense because some are clearly blinded by the one of our own thing
 
Rashford is basically contributing nothing with how he's played in the past year, finding a replacement for him isn't as hard as some people are making it out to be.
 
croadyman said:
Talking a lot of sense because some are clearly blinded by the one of our own thing
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We have an obsession with youth products that is only rivaled by maybe Barcelona but the latter seem to be able to handle them better. Whoever thought that Rashford and Martial deserved those insane contracts should be volunteered to the war Frontline.
 
elmo said:
Rashford is basically contributing nothing with how he's played in the past year, finding a replacement for him isn't as hard as some people are making it out to be.
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Right on, give Elanga or Amad the minutes, patience and understanding given to Rashford over twelve months and you will certainly get a better return. He won't be sold, this club isn't that bold and the suits making the decisions just don't have the revelation to see and understand this but the manager must drop him for a long, long time and eventually cut him out like Mourinho did with Schweinsteiger.
 
AneRu said:
Right on, give Elanga or Amad the minutes, patience and understanding given to Rashford over twelve months and you will certainly get a better return. He won't be sold, this club isn't that bold and the suits making the decisions just don't have the revelation to see and understand this but the manager must drop him for a long, long time and eventually cut him out like Mourinho did with Schweinsteiger.
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They won’t sell him because a large proportion of our idiot fanbase will continue to lap up new shirts with his name on!

Like they do with Pogba.

And Ronaldo.

And Greenwood prior to his misdemeanours.

The club don’t give a feck as long as their bucks keep rolling in
 
K Stand Knut said:
They won’t sell him because a large proportion of our idiot fanbase will continue to lap up new shirts with his name on!

Like they do with Pogba.

And Ronaldo.

And Greenwood prior to his misdemeanours.

The club don’t give a feck as long as their bucks keep rolling in
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Absolutely bang on and that's exactly why we will continue to muddle around in this mess
 
K Stand Knut said:
They won’t sell him because a large proportion of our idiot fanbase will continue to lap up new shirts with his name on!

Like they do with Pogba.

And Ronaldo.

And Greenwood prior to his misdemeanours.

The club don’t give a feck as long as their bucks keep rolling in
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Truth, the lot upstairs are just reactionary buffoons. As long as fans are still thinking he will come good they won't act. Look at how they have handled Mata and Matic, kept them around beyond their sell-by dates because they weren't too bothered with funding their replacements and we, as fans, have swallowed the lies hook, line and sinker.

To be honest, we as fans are complicit in the distraction of this once great club. Just look at how people were defending the decision to refuse Rangnick any form of backing in January.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah we haven't bought well for years
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Hopefully now we are changing our club hierarchy the results will improve on how the money is spent. Getting rid of Woodward is a big step in the right direction if you ask me. He loved to sign big name players but unfortunately about 5 years too late in each case. Rangnick, while not everyones cup of tea as manager is a great signing in my book. Has the experience that no one else in the club has. Just hope the club listen to him. Could be the clubs best addition since RVP. It gives me optimism for the future.
 
AneRu said:
Truth, the lot upstairs are just reactionary buffoons. As long as fans are still thinking he will come good they won't act. Look at how they have handled Mata and Matic, kept them around beyond their sell-by dates because they weren't too bothered with funding their replacements and we, as fans, have swallowed the lies hook, line and sinker.

To be honest, we as fans are complicit in the distraction of this once great club. Just look at how people were defending the decision to refuse Rangnick any form of backing in January.
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Yeah haven't been ruthless with the squad since those leeches took over, not had a top DM since 2008 (Hargreaves) or DLP since Carrick.
 
AneRu said:
Truth, the lot upstairs are just reactionary buffoons. As long as fans are still thinking he will come good they won't act. Look at how they have handled Mata and Matic, kept them around beyond their sell-by dates because they weren't too bothered with funding their replacements and we, as fans, have swallowed the lies hook, line and sinker.

To be honest, we as fans are complicit in the distraction of this once great club. Just look at how people were defending the decision to refuse Rangnick any form of backing in January.
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Unfair to lump all fans in together, although I get and understand your point.
 
Rashford to Arsenal as a centre forward makes sense to me. He has stagnated at United. Arsenal could be a good move for him and we could all move on. He would perhaps suit Arsenals style.

If he wasn't an academy graduate, we would sell in a hearbeat. He just doesn't fit in at United anymore and we needs the funds to sign a proper centre forward.

Who that would be is another interesting question. Very few top class ones out there.
 
Not yet but huge turnaround is needed and it’s partly influenced by fact there will be a big exodus of free agents and that Martial and Ronaldo should be moved on as well.

If he can’t perform under the next manager then that should be the end, we do need to be more ruthless, move on from players quicker and stop massively over paying our players for not achieving anything.
 
The first thing to do with Marcus is make sure not to offer a new contract
 
AneRu said:
To be honest, we as fans are complicit in the distraction of this once great club. Just look at how people were defending the decision to refuse Rangnick any form of backing in January.
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Exactly, same thing happens every summer when we barely get 2/3 transfers over the line as if you can’t work on deals outside of a transfer window. People love to defend members of the club for what they claim they do [see how defensive people got rw: Ralf on Fletcher] yet we see little evidence of these roles in the team. We wasted opportunities in January & will labour again in the summer but it’s alright cause. . . ‘we’re utd, we’ll be back’.
 
Forevergiggs1 said:
Hopefully now we are changing our club hierarchy the results will improve on how the money is spent. Getting rid of Woodward is a big step in the right direction if you ask me. He loved to sign big name players but unfortunately about 5 years too late in each case. Rangnick, while not everyones cup of tea as manager is a great signing in my book. Has the experience that no one else in the club has. Just hope the club listen to him. Could be the clubs best addition since RVP. It gives me optimism for the future.
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Yeah smack on we needed to sign Edi in around 2015, Bastian in 2010 and Ronny about 2014 as well but all way too late.
 
No doubt those that want to keep him for another year will complain why the club didn’t get rid of him sooner after realising that he will have 12 months left on his current deal come next summer and the likelihood is that he will follow his best friend Lingard route out of the club if we don’t offer him improved terms on his 200-250k a week contract.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Exactly, same thing happens every summer when we barely get 2/3 transfers over the line as if you can’t work on deals outside of a transfer window. People love to defend members of the club for what they claim they do [see how defensive people got rw: Ralf on Fletcher] yet we see little evidence of these roles in the team. We wasted opportunities in January & will labour again in the summer but it’s alright cause. . . ‘we’re utd, we’ll be back’.
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People are just too accepting of the nonsense being spouted by the idiots destroying this club with every season that goes by. Like, right now, what are Fletcher and Murtough doing to secure the services of the next manager? Obviously they can't publish their approaches to other clubs' employees but I, for one, won't be shocked to see them scurrying all over the place approaching managers as if they haven't known that they would need a manager for months already, Dortmund secured Rose in the middle of the season for example.

All this lackadaisical approach wouldn't wash at Real Madrid nor will they keep mediocrity poisoning the atmosphere for too long. Rashford was a fine lad coming up, alarm bells should have rung when we started seeing him hang out with Lingard who was all too happy just to stick around as a United player whilst his career withered away, so is it any surprise that laziness, entitlement and disinterest has crept into Rashford? How did Fergie handle Lee Sharpe, I believe when he was starting to become an influence on Giggs (I stand to be corrected here).
 
AneRu said:
People are just too accepting of the nonsense being spouted by the idiots destroying this club with every season that goes by. Like, right now, what are Fletcher and Murtough doing to secure the services of the next manager? Obviously they can't publish their approaches to other clubs' employees but I, for one, won't be shocked to see them scurrying all over the place approaching managers as if they haven't known that they would need a manager for months already, Dortmund secured Rose in the middle of the season for example.

All this lackadaisical approach wouldn't wash at Real Madrid nor will they keep mediocrity poisoning the atmosphere for too long. Rashford was a fine lad coming up, alarm bells should have rung when we started seeing him hang out with Lingard who was all too happy just to stick around as a United player whilst his career withered away, so is it any surprise that laziness, entitlement and disinterest has crept into Rashford? How did Fergie handle Lee Sharpe, I believe when he was starting to become an influence on Giggs (I stand to be corrected here).
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The same search for a permanent manager, yes the one that started in 2021, will then be used as an excuse for why we will be unable to conclude a suitable number of transfer deals in the summer. As you say they can’t disclose every approach but at some point we need to do things differently surely. Hire early, transfer early etc. It’s this weird thing where we find ourselves in a position where we need to eat shit to show our loyalty despite the fact we wouldn’t accept it in any other wall of life.

Lee Sharpe point is poignant too.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
The same search for a permanent manager, yes the one that started in 2021, will then be used as an excuse for why we will be unable to conclude a suitable number of transfer deals in the summer. As you say they can’t disclose every approach but at some point we need to do things differently surely. Hire early, transfer early etc. It’s this weird thing where we find ourselves in a position where we need to eat shit to show our loyalty despite the fact we wouldn’t accept it in any other wall of life.

Lee Sharpe point is poignant too.
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It's painfully predictable how things will turn out come summer. ETH will lose patience, do a Conte and get appointed elsewhere in April whilst we wait to approach him at a respectable moment. Pochettino, if he does well in the CL, will either be made to stay or will move to Madrid. After fiddling our fingers through May and June we will maybe appoint Ancelloti/Lopetegui and let him go on holiday whilst all transfer business will be on hold until he returns then Arnold will go on holiday too :mad: and we will pick up scrap in late July.
 
AneRu said:
It's painfully predictable how things will turn out come summer. ETH will lose patience, do a Conte and get appointed elsewhere in April whilst we wait to approach him at a respectable moment. Pochettino, if he does well in the CL, will either be made to stay or will move to Madrid. After fiddling our fingers through May and June we will maybe appoint Ancelloti/Lopetegui and let him go on holiday whilst all transfer business will be on hold until he returns then Arnold will go on holiday too :mad: and we will pick up scrap in late July.
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Better stop this back & forth as we’ll be told we love to moan etc. I hope you’re wrong on the above but we have form.
 
Too big a brand, humanitarian and local kid to sell. Never happen in my opinion. Doubt anyone has the balls to push it through either. Only way for me is Rashford wanting to leave.

Anyway would I sell him, probably not. Been on his case for a few years now as all of these issues happening now are things that have been there for seasons. Even when he was supposedly having brilliant seasons pre back injury.

I’d keep him and play him as RW as generally I think he plays better there and is better for the team and works with everyone and isn’t as bad a solo artist.

However look at his workrate and positioning and you can see how his presence in the team just ruins our defensive shape. Making others having to work extra hard and leaving other areas exposed because he is a lazy feck or thinks he’s too good to need to work.

When people praised him against Liverpool a few seasons ago when Ole just let him have no defensive responsibilities knew that was a mistake. If I was Shaw he would have been getting told and I’d imagine if the team had someone like a Roy Keane he’d be getting thrown off the bus after the game.

He just needs to go back to doing the basic demands of football but until he and a few others do they shouldn’t be starting 11.
 
If we had a strong selection in the forward positions already, and we could get a really good fee for him, I would say go on then.

But we don’t. Rashford could start the season as one of 4 senior forwards, which includes Elanga who has made roughy 20 appearances for us and Martial who is off on loan and might not stay anyway. We can’t really afford to let him go right now.

Besides, I want to see what a new manager could do with him to start with after a full pre-season. Most of his issues are in his head, not what he can and can’t do with the ball at his feet.
 
While I would consider selling him if we get an outrageous offer, this is highly unlikely for a couple of reasons -
i) Let’s be honest, no one is going to bid 80-100M+ for him, given his current form and some big clubs struggling financially.

ii)We will likely see Ronaldo, Cavani and Lingard leave, potentially Martial too next season. That combined with Greenwood makes us seriously lack numbers in attack. While we’d all like a FM like transfer season, it’s not happening.

iii) If Ronaldo leaves, the club needs someone who is the face of the club. Other than Bruno maybe, we don’t have anyone like that. Also his work outside of football, and him being an academy player further promotes this. So they are unlikely to sell.
 
For his own good and ours, yes! But with the Greenwood situation, Martial, Lingard, Cavani, Mata and maybe Ronaldo all probably gone in the summer I can't see it happening.
 
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