Would you sell Pogba to finance a deal for Sancho?

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[yo@Kirk]

The Pogba side of the equation; why would Pogba want to leave when, for the first time since his arrival, Utd management have added multiple early contributors in two consecutive transfer windows and have brought two top quality academy products, Greenwood and Williams, into the game day squad. This is what he expected from management all along and it's finally happening.

The Sancho side of the equation; 18 year old Mason Greenwood had 8 goals and 3 assists in 711 minutes playing RW. That's a goal every 89 minutes and a goal plus assist every 65 minutes at the position. At those rates, a season with 2700 m at RW would see him put up 30 goals and 41 goals plus assists. WhoScored gives him a rating of 8.15 at the position. Imagine what he could do if he focused on the RW position full time as a 19 year old.

In conclusion, I'd say with great confidence that selling Pogba when his value is low in order to replace an emerging Utd academy star, Greenwood, with one of the most expensive players in the world at the position, Sancho, is a bad idea.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I don't disagree with what you've said here.

Clearly, if we don't need him to finance a move for Sancho, maybe you keep him. I'm not AGAINST trying him out in a side that includes Fernandes and Sancho.

I was responding to the OP who asks a legitimate question: If you could have either Pogba or Sancho in the side, but can't have both, who would you want?

For me, it's Sancho and it's not close. I think his impact will be greater than a healthy Pogba playing as part of a pivot in a 3 man midfield.

If you look at the current squad, it has to be Pogba. Not having Sancho means we still have James, Rashford, Martial, Ighalo & Greenwood as our attacking outlet. If 3 of them are not available due to injury or suspension, we can always switch the formation to 352 which also a formation that we often used.

If we lose Pogba, that'll leave us only Scott, Fred & Matic. There were so many times when Pogba, Scott & Matic became unavailable this season, imagine if it happens with Fred, Scott & Matic are not available and we sell Pogba, we got no one to play as CM/DM. No formation we can use without having CM/DM and we'll be forced to play players out of position.

 

[DSG]

The Pogba side of the equation; why would Pogba want to leave when, for the first time since his arrival, Utd management have added multiple early contributors in two consecutive transfer windows and have brought two top quality academy products, Greenwood and Williams, into the game day squad. This is what he expected from management all along and it's finally happening.

The Sancho side of the equation; 18 year old Mason Greenwood had 8 goals and 3 assists in 711 minutes playing RW. That's a goal every 89 minutes and a goal plus assist every 65 minutes at the position. At those rates, a season with 2700 m at RW would see him put up 30 goals and 41 goals plus assists. WhoScored gives him a rating of 8.15 at the position. Imagine what he could do if he focused on the RW position full time as a 19 year old.

In conclusion, I'd say with great confidence that selling Pogba when his value is low in order to replace an emerging Utd academy star, Greenwood, with one of the most expensive players in the world at the position, Sancho, is a bad idea.

Greenwood has a lot of potential. That being said, to extrapolate his very fine season into a 40 goal season by a 19 year old would put him in the Messi / Mbappe category, and that is an unfair expectation. He improved in every facet of the game this season, but he still has a hard time imposing his will on the game, needs to improve build up play, and flat out disappears at times. I think when all is said and done, he will be a central striker, but he can’t play there now regularly because he lacks the strength to hold off defenders. I mean, even Rashford has issues with his hold up play and he’s 4 years older than Mason, but still has the potential to become world class in his preferred position on the left.

Sancho is more of a finished product. If we look at it from the perspective of England, your front three is probably Sterling, Kane and Sancho. Rashford is getting games here and there and subbing in, but not in the first 11. Greenwood is far, far away from that 11.

If you look at the current squad, it has to be Pogba. Not having Sancho means we still have James, Rashford, Martial, Ighalo & Greenwood as our attacking outlet. If 3 of them are not available due to injury or suspension, we can always switch the formation to 352 which also a formation that we often used.

If we lose Pogba, that'll leave us only Scott, Fred & Matic. There were so many times when Pogba, Scott & Matic became unavailable this season, imagine if it happens with Fred, Scott & Matic are not available and we sell Pogba, we got no one to play as CM/DM. No formation we can use without having CM/DM and we'll be forced to play players out of position.

I hear your concern about a Pogba replacement and worries about injuries. Certainly valid. We stumbled when McT got injured, no doubt. Fred was a revelation, and Matic stepped up later on and had some good performances.

My preference for Sancho over Pogba is that I believe that he is potentially a generational talent in a high impact position. I believe with Sancho and no Pogba, we still waltz to into the top 4 for the next several seasons. If we can bolster our midfield with good options (similar to Liverpool), we should be challenging for titles.

Is Pogba a generational talent? Depends on who you ask, so maybe. But he’s pretty inconsistent and has been injured more than we’d like. And he hasn’t been able to carry the team to the title or keep us in the CL spots with regularity.

Ideally, we’d want both. But it may be tough to swing financially.

We probably need a poll for this topic.

 

[Jeppers7]

Greenwood has a lot of potential. That being said, to extrapolate his very fine season into a 40 goal season by a 19 year old would put him in the Messi / Mbappe category, and that is an unfair expectation. He improved in every facet of the game this season, but he still has a hard time imposing his will on the game, needs to improve build up play, and flat out disappears at times. I think when all is said and done, he will be a central striker, but he can’t play there now regularly because he lacks the strength to hold off defenders. I mean, even Rashford has issues with his hold up play and he’s 4 years older than Mason, but still has the potential to become world class in his preferred position on the left.

Sancho is more of a finished product. If we look at it from the perspective of England, your front three is probably Sterling, Kane and Sancho. Rashford is getting games here and there and subbing in, but not in the first 11. Greenwood is far, far away from that 11.



I hear your concern about a Pogba replacement and worries about injuries. Certainly valid. We stumbled when McT got injured, no doubt. Fred was a revelation, and Matic stepped up later on and had some good performances.

My preference for Sancho over Pogba is that I believe that he is potentially a generational talent in a high impact position. I believe with Sancho and no Pogba, we still waltz to into the top 4 for the next several seasons. If we can bolster our midfield with good options (similar to Liverpool), we should be challenging for titles.

Is Pogba a generational talent? Depends on who you ask, so maybe. But he’s pretty inconsistent and has been injured more than we’d like. And he hasn’t been able to carry the team to the title or keep us in the CL spots with regularity.

Ideally, we’d want both. But it may be tough to swing financially.

We probably need a poll for this topic.

If we sold Pogba, Bruno, AWB and Maguire.....would Sancho still waltz us into top four?

 

[Mr. Christian]

His agent is the main problem no doubt. But the 2nd problem after his agent is actually us not be able to challenge or win major trophies. The main reason he came here was because he believed we could win EPL & CL especially under Mourinho. He's 27 and was 26 last year, he realised that he needs to win something especially when initially when he joined, he spoke about winning ballon dor and last year, he didn't think we could win something.

Don't know whether he's changing his mind now after watching us beating lot of top teams. Ole might be able to convince him that "you will be the final piece for us to challenge the league since we keep losing points against the outside top 6 teams".

I agree, a lot of expectation on one mans shoulders, especially after Ibrahimovic left.

I guess we shall see. If he puts in the effort and stops wanting away, let’s face it, he is incredible asset.

United were a mediocre team when he arrived and the team appeared bereft of a style of play.

Hopefully Ole will have a better relationship with him. The footy is better now and there appears to be a definite brand of football again.

 

[Sandikan]

Any prospect of selling him has evaporated with this virus mess.

No club is going to be considering shelling out huge fees any time for the foreseeable, so I dare say some sort of sheepish mutual interest big new contract will be announced in the next 6 months instead.

 

[El Jefe]

I'm one of those who still loves Pogba as much as we all did the day he came back but I'd swap him for Sancho in a heartbeat.

 

[DSG]

If we sold Pogba, Bruno, AWB and Maguire.....would Sancho still waltz us into top four?

Yes... and if we tied one arm behind DeGea’s back and blindfolded Fred. He’s that good.

 

[el3mel]

Yeah he's probably staying for the next season I guess. Not sure we'll spend much in summer either anyway, so I don't see a place for Pogba at our current midfield except on the bench for Bruno. Fred and Scott are way too important to be benched.

 

[Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell]

Before the lockdown Ole's work was paying off. For the first time since Fergie United were starting to play with some cohesion and a team identity.

I like Pogba, he has a lot of talent. But, to me, it seems like in his absence the team has developed better without him. Bruno has slotted in nicely and i don't see how Bruno and Pogba can play in the team under the formation Ole favours.

Pogba will go on and win lots of stuff elsewhere, but it's a shame that he's become a distraction and negative issue for the club.

I'd move him on regardless of getting Sancho tbh.

 

[SSSSnake]

I can already see it now. We keep Pogba but he struggles to fit in the same team as Bruno. Then the papers and pundits will turn this into the “Gerrard can’t play with Lampard” saga. I hope I’m wrong anyways....

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

Pogba is flexible enough to fit in the same team as Bruno.

I always believed that flexibility was his weakness. Because he is basically good at everything he always struggled to truly be excellent in one or two areas and take over games like we see De Bruyne do very often.

At the world cup however Pogba managed to do less yet accomplish more. He had less time on the ball, wasn't tasked with being the main man or anything like this.

The only question would be whether or not he's willing to take a seat back for Bruno to perform as well as he's done so far.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I hear your concern about a Pogba replacement and worries about injuries. Certainly valid. We stumbled when McT got injured, no doubt. Fred was a revelation, and Matic stepped up later on and had some good performances.

My preference for Sancho over Pogba is that I believe that he is potentially a generational talent in a high impact position. I believe with Sancho and no Pogba, we still waltz to into the top 4 for the next several seasons. If we can bolster our midfield with good options (similar to Liverpool), we should be challenging for titles.

Is Pogba a generational talent? Depends on who you ask, so maybe. But he’s pretty inconsistent and has been injured more than we’d like. And he hasn’t been able to carry the team to the title or keep us in the CL spots with regularity.

Ideally, we’d want both. But it may be tough to swing financially.

We probably need a poll for this topic.

Do you think we'll still waltz to into top 4 next season anyway if we keep Pogba instead?

Like I said before if we do sell Pogba now just to get Sancho, it'll leave our squad with only 3 CM/DM for two starting spots. I don't think we'll get top 4 if the similar situation is happening again with 2 or 3 our CM/DM being unavailable for many games, we'll be forced to play players out of position which can affect other players & team performance too.

I believe if we keep Pogba for next season, we could get top 4 and not only that, if players like Rashford, Martial, James, Greenwood and etc are keep showing improvement next season, this can convince Pogba to stay and Sancho to join us for the next following season.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

If Pogba stays and we only can afford Sancho or if we sell Pogba and bring in Graelish or Partey, Upamecano or Konate, and Sancho then I prefer the latter.

 

[DSG]

Do you think we'll still waltz to into top 4 next season anyway if we keep Pogba instead?

Like I said before if we do sell Pogba now just to get Sancho, it'll leave our squad with only 3 CM/DM for two starting spots. I don't think we'll get top 4 if the similar situation is happening again with 2 or 3 our CM/DM being unavailable for many games, we'll be forced to play players out of position which can affect other players & team performance too.

I believe if we keep Pogba for next season, we could get top 4 and not only that, if players like Rashford, Martial, James, Greenwood and etc are keep showing improvement next season, this can convince Pogba to stay and Sancho to join us for the next following season.

If we do nothing and add no additional players and Pogba stays with us, I do not think we will waltz into the top 4. I think we'll be in a dogfight for 3rd/4th positions with Leicester, Chelsea, Spurs, and possibly Arsenal, Wolves and Everton. Potential developments in our favor: our youth and potential for improvement, more time to implement Ole's style, a full season of Rashford, Bruno and Pogba.

Potential areas of concern: Injuries, particularly to Martial, Rashford and Pogba; if we do nothing, but other teams improve, particularly Chelsea and Leicester; our rate of improvement for young players stalls (Greenwood, James); Pogba inconsistencies and drama drags on...

I guess it comes down to this, for me: we've shown we can challenge for the top 4 and beat the best teams without Pogba. We've shown we can defend without Pogba and the midfield is "adequate". We really lacked quality in two positions: the no. 10 -- which we addressed with Bruno -- and the RW position. I like Dan James, he's a good squad player and provides depth. He is nowhere near Sancho as a footballer.

Finally, I think that a front 3 of Rashford, Martial and Sancho with Bruno behind has bags of goals in it, and will be a nightmare to defend against, even when teams sit back -- which has been our achilles heel.

 

[fps]

Short answer: yes.
Long answer: yeeeeeeees.

He doesn't post gamechanging numbers. So he's not worth the money. Get someone in who transforms matches.

 

[He'sRaldo]

Yes... and if we tied one arm behind DeGea’s back and blindfolded Fred. He’s that good.

Any superstar we bring in should be icing on the cake, we should stop expecting players to come in and be superman or captain Robbo for us. What's the sense in overrating our transfer targets only to be subsequently disappointed they don't live up to the scenario we created in our heads.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

If we do nothing and add no additional players and Pogba stays with us, I do not think we will waltz into the top 4. I think we'll be in a dogfight for 3rd/4th positions with Leicester, Chelsea, Spurs, and possibly Arsenal, Wolves and Everton. Potential developments in our favor: our youth and potential for improvement, more time to implement Ole's style, a full season of Rashford, Bruno and Pogba.

Potential areas of concern: Injuries, particularly to Martial, Rashford and Pogba; if we do nothing, but other teams improve, particularly Chelsea and Leicester; our rate of improvement for young players stalls (Greenwood, James); Pogba inconsistencies and drama drags on...

I guess it comes down to this, for me: we've shown we can challenge for the top 4 and beat the best teams without Pogba. We've shown we can defend without Pogba and the midfield is "adequate". We really lacked quality in two positions: the no. 10 -- which we addressed with Bruno -- and the RW position. I like Dan James, he's a good squad player and provides depth. He is nowhere near Sancho as a footballer.

Finally, I think that a front 3 of Rashford, Martial and Sancho with Bruno behind has bags of goals in it, and will be a nightmare to defend against, even when teams sit back -- which has been our achilles heel.

How can you call selling Pogba & signing Sancho as improvement or additional player, we are losing top creativity player and use the money to add another top creativity player. I don't see that as improvement or additional player either.

You seem only looking at improvement in our attacks but not looking at bigger picture that losing Pogba also means weakened our midfield not just in term of starting XI quality but the potential danger of not having enough CM/DM option.

Injuries concern in attack can be sorted out by changing the formation to 352 which is a formation that we also used this season and we beat teams with the formation. Injuries concern in midfield can't be sorted out by changing the formation, we have no choice but to play non CM/DM players out of position.

 

[DSG]

Any superstar we bring in should be icing on the cake, we should stop expecting players to come in and be superman or captain Robbo for us. What's the sense in overrating our transfer targets only to be subsequently disappointed they don't live up to the scenario we created in our heads.

Like Pogba?

 

[He'sRaldo]

Like Pogba?

Yep, exactly. We don't want a repeat of the Pogba situation with Sancho.

 

[yo@Kirk]

Greenwood has a lot of potential. That being said, to extrapolate his very fine season into a 40 goal season by a 19 year old would put him in the Messi / Mbappe category, and that is an unfair expectation. He improved in every facet of the game this season, but he still has a hard time imposing his will on the game, needs to improve build up play, and flat out disappears at times. I think when all is said and done, he will be a central striker, but he can’t play there now regularly because he lacks the strength to hold off defenders. I mean, even Rashford has issues with his hold up play and he’s 4 years older than Mason, but still has the potential to become world class in his preferred position on the left.

It is very doubtful 100m player transfer fees will return before 2021. Somebody will have to play RW in the meantime and Greenwood has proven he's better than anyone else at the club at the position. There are good reasons to believe he will get better at RW with considerably more playing time at the position and as he matures physically and technically. Even 20 goals and 7 assists from the RW position would help close the 37 point gap with Liverpool. Greenwood is the best academy product to make the first team since Marcus and there is no good reason not to cheer his success at RW just because some have him slated for CF.

 

[elmo]

How can you call selling Pogba & signing Sancho as improvement or additional player, we are losing top creativity player and use the money to add another top creativity player. I don't see that as improvement or additional player either.

You seem only looking at improvement in our attacks but not looking at bigger picture that losing Pogba also means weakened our midfield not just in term of starting XI quality but the potential danger of not having enough CM/DM option.

Injuries concern in attack can be sorted out by changing the formation to 352 which is a formation that we also used this season and we beat teams with the formation. Injuries concern in midfield can't be sorted out by changing the formation, we have no choice but to play non CM/DM players out of position.

Have you watched us this season? Swopping him for Sancho based on this season would improve us a lot because Pogba's basically non-existent this season with his injuries.

Pogba doesn't make much of a difference over the season because he does his constant disappearing act 2/3 of the season when things doesn't go his way.

 

[Freeney]

A midfield of fred Mctominay/matic and fernandes? Good luck achieving anything with that.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Have you watched us this season? Swopping him for Sancho based on this season would improve us a lot because Pogba's basically non-existent this season with his injuries.

Pogba doesn't make much of a difference over the season because he does his constant disappearing act 2/3 of the season when things doesn't go his way.

You clearly missed the 3rd paragraph of my post.

I think the question should be re-evaluate to you here, have you watch us this season that both Pogba & Scott missed lot of games this season which cost us lot of points and poor performance? We also had times when the three Pogba, Scott & Matic weren’t available in few games. Swapping Pogba for Sancho in the squad will leave us with three option only for 2 required CM/DM role. If 2 or 3 got injured or suspended again like this season, we are fecked again.

How do you know Pogba doesn’t make a difference when clearly we have much more quality players around him now to help him?

 

[elmo]

You clearly missed the 3rd paragraph of my post.

I think the question should be re-evaluate to you here, have you watch us this season that both Pogba & Scott missed lot of games this season which cost us lot of points and poor performance? We also had times when the three Pogba, Scott & Matic weren’t available in few games. Swapping Pogba for Sancho in the squad will leave us with three option only for 2 required CM/DM role. If 2 or 3 got injured or suspended again like this season, we are fecked again.

How do you know Pogba doesn’t make a difference when clearly we have much more quality players around him now to help him?

Because watching Pogba for the past few seasons has shown that he doesn't play consistently throughout the season.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Because watching Pogba for the past few seasons has shown that he doesn't play consistently throughout the season.

Just to remind you for the 2nd time that we have much better quality players right now than the past few seasons. You won’t know until he actually plays with them.

 

[Jeppers7]

Because watching Pogba for the past few seasons has shown that he doesn't play consistently throughout the season.

Can you name me any players over the past few seasons who have played consistently?

 

[elmo]

Just to remind you for the 2nd time that we have much better quality players right now than the past few seasons. You won’t know until he actually plays with them.

Can you name me any players over the past few seasons who have played consistently?

And I'm not fussed about keeping a player who has openly said he wants out personally and via his agent. He's not worth the drama surrounding him.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

And I'm not fussed about keeping a player who has openly said he wants out personally and via his agent. He's not worth the drama surrounding him.

Okay, so you keep changing your reason here. First you don't think he will make United difference with the current squad because "he doesn't play consistently throughout the season in the past". And now you are moaning about the drama surrounding him.

He wants out because he wants to win trophies. United at that time was in the stage of where we didn't have good enough quality player. Compared to now, we have much better quality players. If we are showing sign that we can compete with him playing alongside of these better quality players, surely the idea of him wants to go out will also disappear.

 

[elmo]

Okay, so you keep changing your reason here. First you don't think he will make United difference with the current squad because "he doesn't play consistently throughout the season in the past". And now you are moaning about the drama surrounding him.

He wants out because he wants to win trophies. United at that time was in the stage of where we didn't have good enough quality player. Compared to now, we have much better quality players. If we are showing sign that we can compete with him playing alongside of these better quality players, surely the idea of him wants to go out will also disappear.

No I'm not.

He's not good enough to warrant that much drama. End of story. Blaming his teammates is just bullshit when he lacks the basic workrate in games he goes missing.

We've had better players with less drama, overrating someone like him is am insult to the club.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

No I'm not.

He's not good enough to warrant that much drama. End of story. Blaming his teammates is just bullshit when he lacks the basic workrate in games he goes missing.

You are basically just wants him out now no matter what the reason is. You provide different reason everytime I counter every single one of them. As long as he's out, that suits your argument.

He's not blaming his team mate, he's basically telling the truth that we weren't good enough last season and his ambition was to win trophies. RVP wanted to leave because he wanted to win trophies and you acted like Arsenal fans because you didn't understand why the player wants to leave.

 

[elmo]

You are basically just wants him out now no matter what the reason is. You provide different reason everytime I counter every single one of them. As long as he's out, that suits your argument.

He's not blaming his team mate, he's basically telling the truth that we weren't good enough last season and his ambition was to win trophies. RVP wanted to leave because he wanted to win trophies and you acted like Arsenal fans because you didn't understand why the player wants to leave.

It's clear we value different things in players.

Club > player for me and that's my stand. We've had better players than him in the past and will have better ones in the future. You're just basically excusing him for everything when he has disrespected the club multiple times. Go back to watching Pogba highlights you fanboy.

 

[Deleted 112447]

No I'm not.

He's not good enough to warrant that much drama. End of story. Blaming his teammates is just bullshit when he lacks the basic workrate in games he goes missing.

We've had better players with less drama, overrating someone like him is am insult to the club.

TBF most of the drama is driven by the media that wants attention (money) and by his haters online. He hasn't put a foot wrong since the "maybe it's time for a new challenge" comment. Some people seem to just be obsessed with this player for some bizarre reason.

 

[elmo]

TBF most of the drama is driven by the media that wants attention (money) and by his haters online. He hasn't put a foot wrong since the "maybe it's time for a new challenge" comment. Some people seem to just be obsessed with this player for some bizarre reason.

It's not helped by his agent and brother antics ever since he got injured.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

TBF most of the drama is driven by the media that wants attention (money) and by his haters online. He hasn't put a foot wrong since the "maybe it's time for a new challenge" comment. Some people seem to just be obsessed with this player for some bizarre reason.

Utter crap. He knows exactly what he's doing getting his brother and agent to constantly speak out. The guy wants to leave. Our fans can't handle it.

What if he stays 1 more year and no new contract arises. Next summer we'd have to take a very small fee for him or risk losing him on a free in 2 summers time.

 

[RoyH1]

To answer the OP. Yes I would. Pogba's heart is not 100% with us.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

It's clear we value different things in players.

Club > player for me and that's my stand. We've had better players than him in the past and will have better ones in the future. You're just basically excusing him for everything when he has disrespected the club multiple times. Go back to watching Pogba highlights you fanboy.

Give me an example of disrespectful that he's done to our club. All he wanted last season is leave the club to win trophy, and you acted like majority delusional Arsenal fans who couldn't understand why their players leave the club.

 

[Morpheus 7]

At this stage I just can't understand why fans are still arguing. If Pogba wants to stay, sign a new contract and show commitment. If not sell and get the most money we can. It's really that simple, modern fans seem to support players rather than the club. It's not about what's best for Paul Pogba, it's about what is best for Manchester United. You can't criticize him when he's not playing. That said, you can't defend him when he talks about finding a new challenge, his brother and agent mouthing throughout the season.

Really time to look forward, I want players who want to be at United. We aren't winning unless we are going in the same direction. If Sancho wants to come to us, we need to make that happen. If anyone wants out they need to be shown the door.

 

[jesperjaap]

What I dont understand is all over the internet so much "pogba and fernandes will be unstoppable" type comments.....people seem to forget. Pogba has been here three seasons now isnt it? Exclude the 3months Ole took over and he has probably warranted his world star tag less than 10games.

He may have all the attributes and ability in the world to be labelled our most talented player, but he has never consistently proved it. Take away the name and hype and losing Pogba really isnt as big a deal as it has been made up to be based on his performances. Add to that we already have his replacement in Fernandes.

If it wasnt for this virus I think we would have been happily selling him to the highest bidder this summer. Now I am not so sure, but he isnt committed to the club and he isnt anywhere near world class for us either.

Personally I would sell him for what we paid for him. As Fernandes has already shown in literally a couple of months, there are so many other central midfielders out there that may not have the same talent but can give us much more consistant quality and heart