I mean Bruno can play there if needed in the absence of other players. I think Fred and McTominay have done well as a pairing this season so I'm not especially worried about the position anyway but Juventus do seem to have a few decent midfielders that might be available for part-exchange at a push. Either Pjanic or Ramsey would be good signings for competition.
It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.Absolutely agree. But if it were an either or between Pogba and Sancho, for Pogba, we do have a replacement in Bruno. But in Sancho's position, we have Daniel James. And it's clear as day in which position we would get a more incremental qualitative addition.
Mind you, I'm hoping for the best case where Pogba declares his loyalty to United, signs an extension, gels perfectly with Bruno and we sign Sancho who hits the ground running. However, I'm way too pessimistic to see all those things actually happening. Plus there is also the option of replacing Pogba with a cheaper midfielder who would definitely be a downgrade but doesn't have to be first choice necessarily.
The worst case is that we don't sign Sancho and are stuck with an uncommitted Pogba for another year while trying to find a buyer for him or trying to get him to sign a deal for crazy money.
Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.........
Why do people on here keep pretending to themselves he's happy and wants to stay? We all know he's not.
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Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.
Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...
It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.
It matters not how its put swapping is a dumb idea. You simply gain nothing whilst strengthening rivals in europe because you merely exchange one strength for a huge weakness. The better solution is FIRST buy Pogba's replacement, THEN sell him and that should have NO bearing on recruiting a winger like Sancho.
Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.
Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...
As much as I dislke Pogba no I wouldn't. Selling a midfielder to get a winger/striker wouldn't make our squad stronger. It would be the same as getting Maguire after selling Lukaku. Getting stronger on one position of the pitch but weaker on another one. Getting Grealish + Sancho is a different story. And if Covid 19 has really influenced the market as people suggest we must look for a midfielder + cash type of deal if we should get rid of Pogba.
Well no because we would be getting rid of a very talented midfielder in this scenario.We haven't had a right winger for what, 8 years, and you say that finally signing a right winger who is world class wouldn't make our squad stronger - really?
Well no because we would be getting rid of a very talented midfielder in this scenario.
In theory, everyone here agrees with the premise that we all would rather have Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in the same team. But there is a reason why this discussion is happening. If finances are tight and we cannot afford to buy Sancho, should we sell Pogba to free up funds? Or should we avoid signing Sancho and stick with Pogba. It essentially creates an either Pogba or Sancho hypothetical situation purely due to the financial angle of it.
Wrong. Whilst I'm not sorry to say you sound like Pogba hater whose distaste for the player is clouding your judgment and blinding you to what is best for United.I'm sorry but you sound like a big Pogba apologist.
Why the 'feck' wouldn't he? He has had a clique of old boys of United, so called United fans like your self and all of punditry daily abusing him, calling into question his professionalism, his work ethic, his commitment, even his very ability as a player. Not to mention regularly dismissing his efforts for United as a player. Being regularly blamed for a failure by a club that refused to get him proper support in his role for the team, up until the cheque book was finaly opened for Bruno. Not to mention the fact it's not his fault it has been so badly managed off field under Woodward's directionless regime. Being told regularly to "prove himself/ his commitment'Why the f*ck would Pogba have a beef with United right now?
Utter bullshit. Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you. Since he arrived here he has been the club's best midfielder, top scorer from midfield, top creator and assistor by some distance. Every damned season till Bruno's recent arrival. But the regular trope is trotted out that 'he doesn't give world class performances on the regular' and he is supposedly 'whats wrong with United'We have bought him for a world record fee for him to be a solution rather than "having beef with the club". If he were doing his best and giving world class performances, his opinions would be understandable......
You just don't get it .....
We have enough squad players on the books who we don't really need, and can sell for decent profit instead of the rubbish give away prices we usually take, to add to already existing transfer funds to get money to buy a Sancho.
The notion that we have to sell a Pogba to "raise funds" to sign a Sancho is just frankly stupid. If we sale a Pogba at all, it should be to buy a direct replacement in the same position then we can use extra funds if we saved money on it else where. Not to buy a player who operates in an entirely different position as a result of selling him.
To do that is like selling your back tire to fund the purchase of your front tire.
Wrong. Whilst I'm not sorry to say you sound like Pogba hater whose distaste for the player is clouding your judgment and blinding you to what is best for United.
Why the 'feck' wouldn't he? He has had a clique of old boys of United, so called United fans like your self and all of punditry daily abusing him, calling into question his professionalism, his work ethic, his commitment, even his very ability as a player. Not to mention regularly dismissing his efforts for United as a player. Being regularly blamed for a failure by a club that refused to get him proper support in his role for the team, up until the cheque book was finaly opened for Bruno. Not to mention the fact it's not his fault it has been so badly managed off field under Woodward's directionless regime. Being told regularly to "prove himself/ his commitment'
from a constant shifting of goal posts as to what constitutes "performing well", to supposedly 'reining in his agent' like anyone can control freaking Raiola.
Let's not forget that even after he got injured badly playing through the pain barrier this season and was set to sit out for months, he still has been accused of supposedly just sitting out because 'he just doesn't want to play for United more because he wants selfishly out'....
If you think he has NO reason to be unhappy at United on some level. Just because we bought him for high fees and pay him well. Yet the club is unsuccessful and he is the regular acaoe goat for that. You really are naive in the extreme....
Utter bullshit. Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you. Since he arrived here he has been the club's best midfielder, top scorer from midfield, top creator and assistor by some distance. Every damned season till Bruno's recent arrival. But the regular trope is trotted out that 'he doesn't give world class performances on the regular' and he is supposedly 'whats wrong with United'
The problem with the likes of you is you want to make every damn thing about Pogba!
One shouldn't have to freaking care for Pogba at all to understand that United have had issues for years with having only one top end creative center midfielder on the books in Pogba. So now that Bruno was bought the club has 2! That weakness s FINALLY solved
Yet thus, now that Bruno has been added to solve that issue, for anyone to suggest it's remotely GOOD for United to then exchange our second top end central creative midfield player (feck whether his happy or not) to instead acquire a top end winger is frankly the height of world class stupidity.
It means you are more concerned with getting rid of a pogba than the actually long term success of United. Because if you DID want United to succeed. You'd rather seek to see a Pogba is replaced FIRST, so that the adding of if at all of a Sancho would be taking United from strength to strength. Rather than inventing a weakness whilst trying to add a strength.
If you can't understand something that blatantly obvious. You will frankly never understand...
- In two of my previous posts, I have clearly mentioned that the best case for United would be having both Pogba and Sancho in the same side provided Pogba is committed and we don't have financial concerns to purchase Sancho.
There was nothing random about calling out particular posts as dumb. Due to their faulty internal logic:You can randomly lash out by calling other posts dumb and people having different opinions as haters but the real point is that some United fans, including me, have doubts over Pogba's
commitment to the club.
.[*]Secondly, Pogba has shown in flashes that he is capable of putting in world class performances. But considering that his 4th season is about to end, has he been a the best or even top 3 CM in the league in this 4 year period?........
[*]Finally, and most damningly, how do you explain the comments from Pogba's entourage on not just the manager, but the entire club? Why has Pogba maintained silence on it or reassured his commitment to the club?
Again missing the point entirely!One principle that the club always needs to follow is that no player is bigger than the club and till now Pogba doesn't
qualify to be an exception to the rule.
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I have not given up on Pogba as of now, but I have also become a bit detached from this entire saga. So if he wants to go, then he goes. We may not be able to replace his stardom, but his output (not potential output) is relatively easier to be replaced.
A meltdown? That is rich coming from a guy kinda obsessed about Pogba you make everything about him. .....besides nothing either of us has said is remotely meltdownish frankly......seriouslyIn conclusion, there are different viewpoints that people have which is the exact point of this forum. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Nothing he does is EVER good enough for the likes of you" but it seems that you're having a meltdown. ....
Do not conflate me shooting down a differing opinion with not tolerating it.Even the most prominent of Pogba supporters understand that there have been enough reasons for United fans to be alienated with him. You seem to be an experienced poster on this forum, I would hope that you're more than aware of tolerating differing opinions.
It was deliberate because it is of ZERO relevance to the fact you have indicated more than once that you want to sale a Pogba to fund buying a Sancho.
Yet again you have made it all about Pogba. Rather than understanding the real point. Namely that a Pogba should ONLY be sold to fund the purchase of another Pogba/Bruno type player. Not to fund the purchase of a player in an entirely different position like a Sancho. A purchase that would result in a big hole in the position Pogba would depart from. Literally not strengthening United at all whilst strengthening our rivals abroad.
There was nothing random about calling out particular posts as dumb. Due to their faulty internal logic:
1. You literally are advocating the equivalent of a car owner selling a back tire to fund the purchase of a front tire, to supposedly improve the condition of the car. That makes no sense at all
2. You are the one who lashed out and started declaring me 'a Pogba apologist'
simply for pointing out the obvious flaws in your proposal. That coupled with the fact you are eager to make everything about Pogba. It's not a stretch to call you a "Pogba hater". For you are acting like one.
3. You naively think a Pogba has zero reason to be unhappy at United. I insist given the facts of how he is portrayed in the media, how ex players in the media and fans regularly question his character, proffessionalism, commitment and actual talen itself. That stance is extremely naive.
Above all Having doubts about a pogba's commitment should never make one entertain the dumb notion he should be exchanged for a person who doesn't operate in the roles he does. Especially an expensive one who would leave United little funds to even replace him cheaply. Because United would be significantly weakened without a second top end central playmaker like him in the squad. Even if an attacker like Sancho were secured.
So quit conflating the argument about what a Pogba type brings to the team and why losing it is terminal. With a desire to keep Pogba around at all cost. The two are not related.
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Reading the above. I'm pretty certain you pay zero attention to the statistics Pogba has actually accrued since he arrived at United as compared to the rest of the league. Frankly the only guys consistently out performing him statistically I'm creativity and goals actually play at City. Or teams that have actually out perfoed United in that period. Operating alongside other top end play makers at their clubs. Whilst he has had to operate on his lonesome at United.
First, what part of playing through the pain barrier and getting injured long term as a result, shows a lack of commitment to you?
Second, what part of ,"Raiola can't be controlled," do you not understand? Why do you think Fergie hates him? You think Pogba speaking would stop Raiola? Really?
Again missing the point entirely!
It's not about POGBA! It's about WHAT having a 2nd top end play maker in the squad means for the long term success of the club. Some of us can't understand why the likes of you constantly conflate that concept with the notion a Pogba is supposedly bigger than the club.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that it is best to ONLY sale a Pogba to replace him with a player of the same class and type playing wise? So that his departure leaves the club in a position of strength. Rather than rebirthing a former weakness?
Rather than to sale him to sign a player strengthening an entirely different department whilst significantly weakening the one he is sold from?
It is not 'atachment' to point out to you the obvious though. Namely that if you sale a Pogba to fund the purchase of a Sancho. There likely won't be money left to replace a single thing a Pogba offered as a player. Forget the off field stardom because it doesn't play football.
A meltdown? That is rich coming from a guy kinda obsessed about Pogba you make everything about him. .....besides nothing either of us has said is remotely meltdownish frankly......seriously
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Do not conflate me shooting down a differing opinion with not tolerating it.
I repeat. You simply keep conflating people wanting a pogba when sold, to be strictly replaced with another top end midfield play maker, than a top end winger like Sancho or a 9 like kane or whoever, with a desire to keep a pogba at all costs.
The two are not related. We simply come from the understanding that having only a pogba to call on for the last 4 years has hurts us badly. Even this season was ample proof. Once we lost Pogba to injury we were dead in the water. Yet if we had started the season with Bruno on our books. Not only would we have been superio, the period of Pogba being out would never have been felt.
Thus our stance is simple: You sale a Pogba to get a Sancho, You will be left with Bruno alone and you will certainly sink again whenever he gets injured. Or opponents mark/take him out of games because he is the sole center midfield creative out let.
If you can't see where we are coming from there is simply nothing further to discuss. We will then just have to agree to disagree.
More or less expected given all the uncertainty going on right now.
It would also be a bit negligent on our part selling Pogba before we even get the chance to pair him up with what would be the best midfielder he's played with at United in Bruno.
Glad that Ole doesn't seem to be as shortsighted as the previous manager.
If we somehow managed to bring in a player like Sancho while keeping Pogba in the squad over the next year, we could field arguable one of the most formidable fronts and attacks in Europe let alone England
Ignoring the Sancho part, I say it's time to sell Pogba.
With all the drama surrounding him staying or leaving, and especially in recent interviews, there was an opportunity to put this to bed by stating you're happy at United, blah blah.
But he didn't, and so the drama continues.
Which in my mind, means he wants to go. So let him go. We shouldn't keep players who don't want to be here.
That, alongside the ton of comments from his brother, his agent, his beef with Mourinho, his inconsistencies on the pitch all point to the fact that we probably shouldn't be here.
Sell, and sign a replacement.
Sancho should be seen as it's own deal.
More or less expected given all the uncertainty going on right now.
It would also be a bit negligent on our part selling Pogba before we even get the chance to pair him up with what would be the best midfielder he's played with at United in Bruno.
Glad that Ole doesn't seem to be as shortsighted as the previous manager.
If we somehow managed to bring in a player like Sancho while keeping Pogba in the squad over the next year, we could field arguable one of the most formidable fronts and attacks in Europe let alone England
Talk of a massive red herring. Pogba being happy or not is irrelevant to the fact Bruno is no replacement in any shape or form. He is in fact a solution to a problem that in all likely hood has been the biggest source of Pogga's beef with United being the only top end creative central playing midfielder in our squad. On of the biggest reasons for our failure to be very competitive.
Thus swapping a Pogba for a winger like Sancho simply repeats the problem again and leaves us with a Bruno as the ONLY top end creator in our midfield. with the slow woodward helming our transfers. Meaning by the time the clown replace a Pogba, Bruno and a Sancho would probably be ready to jump ship to as a result of the lack of success...
I say its time to bring in Sancho and let Pogba finally play in the level of team he deserves. The lad only wants to win trophies and i don't think he has his heart set in a different club (like Ronaldo did). Bring in Sancho and there is a very good chance that we start doing very well and Pogba ends up happy to stay. This isn't a Ronaldo situation where we are one of the best teams in the World but a player still wants to leave, this is a 'I want to challenge every season' situation. I reckon if Sancho is brought in then we have ourselves close to a position to challenge and thus Pogba is satisfied.
Don't forget that since he's been injured that AWB and Maguire have settled, Greenwood and Williams have emerged, Rashford, Shaw, Fred and McTominay have all hit another level, Martial has refound form and most importantly Bruno was signed. I'm sure Pogba hasn't been blinded to this and if we bring in Jadon then it should be no problem getting him to give us another year. If we start challenging then I have very little doubt that Pogba will want to leave. Unlike Ronaldo he spent some of his time growing up here.
What's the problem of having 2 creators in midfield? You still have an extra slot for that Fabinho type of player to protect the defence, just like Fernandinho + de Bruyne + Silva for City. Prioritizing the money on Sancho is one thing, and it totally depends on personal preference, but we certainly need another creator in midfield. In the past few years, Pogba has been the only creator in midfield, which is one of the reasons why we struggle to break down defences. The first part just doesn't make sense to me.No.
Sancho is a creator. Bruno is a creator. We don’t need Pogba as a creator in a deep lying role. We need a Fabinho type who is a shield for the back 4 and transitions the ball quickly from defense to attack.
Rashford, Martial and Greenwood are finishers. Sancho is needed to unlock the defense.
You don’t hold on to an oft-injured midfielder (world class when he plays and his head is right, I admit) if it prevents you from getting a 20 year old that has scored or assisted on 36 goals this year in 35 matches.
I do think we need another midfielder, but certainly in the 30-45m range.
Fosu-Mensah is in the last year of his contract, but the club appears to have invoked a one-year extension:If we do nothing else in the transfer market other than sign Sancho or it takes up our entire transfer funds then so be it as I see Sancho as THE priority signing, Pogba has 2 years on his contract so if he wants to leave then we tell him that he can leave at the end of next season as long as he puts in a shift all season as the pandemic has altered every clubs finances anyway and no one will likely pay £100 million for Pogba at the moment.
That’ll leave us with Fernandes, Pogba, McTominay, Fred, Matic and Garner as midfield options and worst case scenarios Lingard or Pereira can play Fernandes role against the smallest teams as I don’t see many ins or outs for anyone really this summer.
I think we’ll likely get rid of Joel Pereira and then two out of Smalling, Jones, Rojo. I’d imagine Fosu-Mensah will go as well as one of Lingard or Pereira and if we can move him on then Sanchez will also go which could bring in around £40-£50 million in total which for deadwood isn’t too bad.
Fosu-Mensah's loan spells at Palace and Fulham were indeed terrible. Absolute nightmare. I just can't see someone who hardly starts in bottom teams could earn a place at United.Fosu-Mensah is in the last year of his contract, but the club appears to have invoked a one-year extension:
https://www.skysports.com/football/...er-united-trigger-one-year-contract-extension
This makes sense - his injury was not his fault, he looked sharp when he played recently for the second team and he was clocked as the fastest player in the EPL last season on loan at Fulham, not bad for a big guy who's 6' 3":
https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/opta-confirm-united-player-is-fastest-in-premier-league
He's still only 22, he wouldn't bring in that much money (or save much) and Ole may want to see how he shapes up if he's fully recovered.
Rojo, I think, is pretty well decided - he clearly wants to stay at Estudiantes. Lingard seems to be shaping up for a move and reminds me of the situation with Cleverley - he may just be fed up with being the whipping boy. Smalling probably doesn't want to come back unless he can command Lindelof's spot, which is not impossible. Difficult to know with JCP - always suspected he was a Mourinho favourite because he's Portuguese and is less in favour now, but we always seem to have excess keepers nowadays then move them on.
Jones is more of a problem - clearly not in Ole's plans, 28 years old now and no hint that anyone is interested in him either. Presume we will take what we can get if we are keeping Tuanzebe and TFM.
Sanchez's wages will be the big obstacle to a move - not entirely sure he won't be back at the club next season
I think we will go for Sancho regardless of whether Pogba stays or goes. Just telling him he can go if he puts in a shift is probably easier said than done - I really think this is a player who will switch off if he doesn't want to be at the club and his potential to be a disruptive element is high.
But the Covid situation certainly throws out all the usual calculations.
