If you figure out a way to sack Ed let us know and we'll back it. People like Ed don't get sacked because they're bad at their job. They get sacked following some petty boardroom dispute with another board member
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Ed won't get fired - not ever I believe - because shit never rolls uphill in this world. I believe Ole might be done come Christmas if he can't turn things around and that's fair play to be honest. If we're still just a few points off the relegation zone at that point we need to make an emergency maneuver. I'll still don't consider him the useless git people in here are making him out to be though - there are plenty of kingdoms between Heaven and Hell and just because you can't save the fecking Titanic from sinking doesn't mean you're an utterly useless captain
I doubt it does.
Maybe the only reason Ole had a good start during the "caretaker" period was the fact that SAF was back in and around the changing room and training ground....
I'm beginning to think that his plan of going for all British players won't work. We need a few skillfull players in the side and I don't see many in England team atm. Maybe Sancho. We need some specialist players and leaders.
Having said this, I would give him 2 more windows in the transfer market ( January and Summer). If things don't improve drastically then. I would sack him before Christmas 2020. We are not going to get into top 4 this season with this squad anyway.
Having said this, I would give him 2 more windows in the transfer market ( January and Summer). If things don't improve drastically then. I would sack him before Christmas 2020. We are not going to get into top 4 this season with this squad anyway.
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Sack the fecker. I hope Eds using this international break to tap up managers. Poch or Allegri would be acceptable to me.
A heavy defeat and the pressure would become very intense. Then we head into a run of away games. I believe he’ll get the next 4/5 games and a run of poor results in those and he’ll have to go.
It was one of the stupidest transfer strategies I’ve ever heard. Talk about a niche market. Imagine any of our rivals coming out with such a strategy, we would be lambasting it on here. I mean, I think we’re an utter shambles and I’m a fan. I can only imagine for rival fans - having an ‘outside looking in’ perspective - we’re an absolute circus.
I suppose we can only hope that an avalanche of bad publicity and sponsors getting pissed off if our current plight continues much longer might make the Glazers question his competence.
Ed won't get fired - not ever I believe - because shit never rolls uphill in this world. I believe Ole might be done come Christmas if he can't turn things around and that's fair play to be honest. If we're still just a few points off the relegation zone at that point we need to make an emergency maneuver. I'll still don't consider him the useless git people in here are making him out to be though - there are plenty of kingdoms between Heaven and Hell and just because you can't save the fecking Titanic from sinking doesn't mean you're an utterly useless captain
I doubt one game will decide if he's sacked. It will be a cumulation of results and not just a game. There are other factors as well, such as planning for someone to take over. Perhaps waiting for one specific manager.
There are ways. But are the supporters ready to do what is necessary? That's the real question?!
That is the unfortunate reality. But we can at least try
Which we have. The last one was Sanchez.
Only just? Look at the national team. Besides Kane and Sterling there really isn't a senior player who is your typical must have United player like the ones of the past. To put in perspetive if we had focused all our attention in the past decade on that pool we would have ended up with that. Maybe it's a calculated bet that there'll be a renaissance of talent in the national pool but It's still so risky and unnecessary it's almost foolish. And in all likelihood it's probably based on sentiment rather than calculation
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I very much doubt the plan was to go all british. By the looks of it they did try and sign non-british players.
And the way many speak about their own club no wonder that affects both media and oppo's wiew of the club. Words like "shambles" , "clueless" and "embarrassing" have taken over the forum.
I was in Barca in '99 - Ole will always be an icon at the club. However that was then - this is now, and there is little room for sentimentality, decisive action is required before things get significantly worse.
I have some sympathy with OGS as he has been dealt a tough hand, however the fact remains he has been given a job way beyond his pay grade and is out of his depth.
Utd [Ed] was under no real pressure to make a permanent appointment till the end of the season. But he jumped the gun on the back of a fluke result in Paris and as soon as the euphoria of removing JM dissipated, OGS has had little to offer.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest that he is even a competent coach; tactics; in game management; or, improvement of individual players. We continue to play as a group of individuals and not as a team. We are a counter attacking team that has no no understanding of how to break teams down; results and performances are deteriorating and OGS [and most of the players] look sad, scared and lost.
Injuries have undoubtedly had an impact but that does not excuse, amongst others, Rochdale, Newcastle, West Ham, AZ Alkmaar or Astana.
The fixture lists has been kind to OGS since his appointment and going into this season - we should have finished 3rd or 4th last season; we should be just behind the top two this year. There are many difficult fixtures to come this season and I can see no reason to think performances are going to improve nor are we going to improve on our current league position which is simply not good enough.
No other elite club would tolerate either the results or performances since OGS's permanent appointment. Indeed many middle ranking clubs wouldn't. If it wasn't OGS he would be gone.
Utd, if we are serious about returning to the football elite anytime soon, have to determine a philosophy beyond the promotion of young players, and playing on the front foot [indeed the counter attacking style that OGS seems to be advocating is not playing on the front foot]. Utd need a 'modus operandi' from top to bottom with the appointment of 'best in class' [Gary Neville's term] coaching and playing staff to fit into that framework. Initially, my preference would be the appointment of a DoF but irregardless coaches and players will change but the philosophy remains.
I have some sympathy with OGS as he has been dealt a tough hand, however the fact remains he has been given a job way beyond his pay grade and is out of his depth.
Utd [Ed] was under no real pressure to make a permanent appointment till the end of the season. But he jumped the gun on the back of a fluke result in Paris and as soon as the euphoria of removing JM dissipated, OGS has had little to offer.
There is nothing, absolutely nothing to suggest that he is even a competent coach; tactics; in game management; or, improvement of individual players. We continue to play as a group of individuals and not as a team. We are a counter attacking team that has no no understanding of how to break teams down; results and performances are deteriorating and OGS [and most of the players] look sad, scared and lost.
Injuries have undoubtedly had an impact but that does not excuse, amongst others, Rochdale, Newcastle, West Ham, AZ Alkmaar or Astana.
The fixture lists has been kind to OGS since his appointment and going into this season - we should have finished 3rd or 4th last season; we should be just behind the top two this year. There are many difficult fixtures to come this season and I can see no reason to think performances are going to improve nor are we going to improve on our current league position which is simply not good enough.
No other elite club would tolerate either the results or performances since OGS's permanent appointment. Indeed many middle ranking clubs wouldn't. If it wasn't OGS he would be gone.
Utd, if we are serious about returning to the football elite anytime soon, have to determine a philosophy beyond the promotion of young players, and playing on the front foot [indeed the counter attacking style that OGS seems to be advocating is not playing on the front foot]. Utd need a 'modus operandi' from top to bottom with the appointment of 'best in class' [Gary Neville's term] coaching and playing staff to fit into that framework. Initially, my preference would be the appointment of a DoF but irregardless coaches and players will change but the philosophy remains.
It was the relief of the players to see the back of Mourinho combined with three piss-easy fixtures at the start of Ole's reign. This created our very own "new manager bounce" but we were simply too happy to understand it then. Once the games became tougher, the performances deteriorated.
The three highlights of Solskjaer's first five months were PSG, Chelsea and Arsenal, all in Cup competitions and Spurs away in the league. The two FA Cup victories came against sides that were willing to come at us and thus offering us spaces to exploit. PSG had schooled us in the first leg and they were probably expected an easy ride in the return fixture. Still, Solskjaer should be credited for making a depleted United side believe in turning the tie around. Spurs away saw us implement a good tactical plan to attack the spaces that the opposition FBs were leaving by going forward. But when Poch adjusted his tactics, it was all De Gea once again saving us.
Now, we've reverted to being a side that can't create spaces against compact defences. All the stardust that surrounded the first wins has disappeared. The fuel that breeds confidence is success on the pitch and not pats on the back and smiles in pressers, after all. Who would have thought, huh? And the absence of a tactical plan to attack through the middle when the others decide to just sit back and snuff out our attempts to use the flanks in order to generate plays would have been nice. But Mata is a good lad that has been misused and Lingard/Pereira must get an nth chance to prove themselves because they get the club. Oh, and there are always the youngsters who are always world beaters in the making because... we're United and that's how it is.
He overestimated the feelgood factor his persona could create due to his past and his relation to the club and he overestimated the squad's abilities while, at the same time, underestimating the tactical progression of the PL which is on a completely different level compared to the 90's.
And here we are... trying to convince ourselves that he will magically turn it around because he has been there when we were successful when it is his adherence to our past that has hindered his limited chances of success. Do you think that if SAF gave a speech in the dressing room, we would beat Liverpool? I don't. But it's this line of thinking that has fecked us in the first place: Say the right words, play any youngsters and big up the local lads. What can go wrong, right?
Ole wouldn’t be In the top 20 list of managers in any of the top 3rd of any of the recognised leagues list of managers and probably not even in the top 50 I have no idea why we are messing about he needs to go, while I expect given time and money he might get us to one of the several clubs challenging for a top 4 place we will never win the league with him the quality of players simply won’t want to come play for him.
We have wasted enough time already and the implications and damage letting the rot set in and fester is frankly scary if you support and love this club.
I know people say the problems are higher up but if it isn’t possible to change everything then you have to change what you can, we can’t change the owners who are poor, we can’t change Ed who is poor but we can change the manager who is poor and the players that are not good enough.
We have wasted enough time already and the implications and damage letting the rot set in and fester is frankly scary if you support and love this club.
I know people say the problems are higher up but if it isn’t possible to change everything then you have to change what you can, we can’t change the owners who are poor, we can’t change Ed who is poor but we can change the manager who is poor and the players that are not good enough.
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The highlighted sentence should be noted by everyone. We are not playing on the front foot. United has always played on the front foot under SAF. We could out pass most teams and we could out fight almost every team and we could outscore most teams.
Assuming that we don't get involved in a relegation battle, is finishing midtable under Ole really worse than bringing in an interim manager and finishing, let's say, 6th?
Personally I would prefer Ole and midtable to another manager and 6th if I'm honest. Especially if Ole is allowed to continue to build the squad in accordance with his transfer policy that we saw in the last window.
I mean, anywhere between the relegation zone and top four is pretty much indifferent to me. I see no point in finishing 5th or 6th. In fact, 7th is preferable because then there's no EL.
We are 12th in the table right now. Would you honestly prefer to finish 6th? I know I wouldn't. I would prefer to finish 12th and for Ole to continue to build the squad and a decision on his future as the manager to be taken further down the road.
Personally I would prefer Ole and midtable to another manager and 6th if I'm honest. Especially if Ole is allowed to continue to build the squad in accordance with his transfer policy that we saw in the last window.
I mean, anywhere between the relegation zone and top four is pretty much indifferent to me. I see no point in finishing 5th or 6th. In fact, 7th is preferable because then there's no EL.
We are 12th in the table right now. Would you honestly prefer to finish 6th? I know I wouldn't. I would prefer to finish 12th and for Ole to continue to build the squad and a decision on his future as the manager to be taken further down the road.
So that’s all there is to management then?
Pff, that sounds easy, signing the most expensive CB in football history, the best available RB in the PL and some kid from the championship?
That’s all there is to it to be managing Manchester United and being paid 7.5m a year? I can do it too, hell, most of the caf could’ve made these transfer decisions.
I doubt be would be looking any worse with one of us in charge instead of Ole.
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You have to set a president of progression. Ole lasting a season won’t do that. An interim would at least give the players hope things are going to change.
Ssshhhhh. There was a lot of thought going into their mentality and wanting to play fine the badge. I mean we could have got a Dalot for £20m but we spent an extra £30m and got a player that knows what it’s about to play here. Priceless management.
If Poch is available then we should take him but right now there is not many option.
Our attacks are average. James, Lingard, Pereira & Mata. They are not top 6 first team material but we are relying on them week in week out right now, you will at least see 3 of them in XI. Any manager will struggle. Although, I could argue by changing the formation or tactic there is a way not to play 3 out of these 4 to get the best out of current squad,
Either way our forwards option are limit & average. There is a strong rumour that we are targeting an attacker in January. Let’s say if Ed is going to backing him to sign that player and we sign him in January. Let’s see how we improve. If there is a positive improvement especially in our attack & at the same time still have the same defensive record then having trust in Ole might be worthy for the next following season.
Our attacks are average. James, Lingard, Pereira & Mata. They are not top 6 first team material but we are relying on them week in week out right now, you will at least see 3 of them in XI. Any manager will struggle. Although, I could argue by changing the formation or tactic there is a way not to play 3 out of these 4 to get the best out of current squad,
Either way our forwards option are limit & average. There is a strong rumour that we are targeting an attacker in January. Let’s say if Ed is going to backing him to sign that player and we sign him in January. Let’s see how we improve. If there is a positive improvement especially in our attack & at the same time still have the same defensive record then having trust in Ole might be worthy for the next following season.
They were obvious decisions in the summer but the reason the squad is in such a mess is because we haven't been making such decisions for the last 6 years. Who knows what bizarre decisions the next manager might make, stuff like:
- Buying dross centre backs like Lindelof, Bailly and Rojo instead of obvious signings like Maguire for £15m, Van Dijk (even before he moved to Southampton we had the ex Dutch manager in charge!), Laporte.
- Darmian after selling Rafael when Valencia was a far better right back anyway
- Dalot over Pereira (Leicester), a far better right back that was keeping him out of the Porto side
- Never buying a proper right winger in 6 years but buying Sanchez to play on the left
- Fred!
I could go on, this summer was the first time i thought all of the signings actually made sense, we just needed to make more.
If we were clearly on the cusp of something, and just needed the right players slotted in, then ever so slightly perhaps to the coming 12th this season option.
But the truth is we haven't got any sign he's got a masterplan.
A good manager may take time to get the players he needs in, but should at least show some sign he's got something. Lampard has taken Chelsea further down the road in 2months than Ole has in a year now. Without any signings, and with Chelsea losing their main star.
Chelsea seem to have a real knack in never standing still for too long.
I don’t see what other words can be used. Post Fergie - for the most part - we’ve been a mess. There’s literally no denying that. If this were any other top PL club we would be laughing our arses off at them.
As I said, it will be the 4/5 upcoming games.
Kane is a top penalty taker for sure but very overrated as a forward
Thing is, we're gonna have this all season until he's fired.
If he somehow manages to fluke a draw or a narrow loss at home to Liverpool, he'll go on to lose the next game and then the rumours will appear again - "Woodward close to pulling the trigger, monitoring the next game etc".
Ole the player = legend.
Ole the manager = clownshoes.
If your missus is cheating on you with every bloke in town, you don't keep her under your roof paying for her fecking living just because you don't have another girlfriend ready to slide straight into her place. You admit that she's not right for you, you get rid of her and you choose your next missus more wisely.
If he somehow manages to fluke a draw or a narrow loss at home to Liverpool, he'll go on to lose the next game and then the rumours will appear again - "Woodward close to pulling the trigger, monitoring the next game etc".
Ole the player = legend.
Ole the manager = clownshoes.
If your missus is cheating on you with every bloke in town, you don't keep her under your roof paying for her fecking living just because you don't have another girlfriend ready to slide straight into her place. You admit that she's not right for you, you get rid of her and you choose your next missus more wisely.
Imagine Ed gets to chose your next missus?
His last 3 choices have been a disaster.....one too inexperienced. Next one too stuck in their ways, the next one a narcissistic bunny boiler?
So finally he picks an old childhood love.
Maybe time to stop ED having his pick?
As some others have mentioned most top players are not fans of Manchester United. They are professional football players. They want what is best for them first. That means getting a decent wage. Then comes the trophies. All top players want trophies because they would roughly get a very good wage in most top clubs.
So why should any top player come to Manchester United to be coached by Ole when they can go to City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal in England and be a mid table team while these teams are playing in CL?
All these three or 4 windows is a lot of BS and Window dressing by most people. The reason why no top world class players came in this window is the same reason. Now if we slip further down the table and it is extremely likely we would then it is going to make it more difficult for those top players to come to United.
We should remember why players like Berbatov and RVP came to United. Would they have come if we were a mid table side being coached by an incompetent manager who has never won anything? Of course not.
So why should any top player come to Manchester United to be coached by Ole when they can go to City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal in England and be a mid table team while these teams are playing in CL?
All these three or 4 windows is a lot of BS and Window dressing by most people. The reason why no top world class players came in this window is the same reason. Now if we slip further down the table and it is extremely likely we would then it is going to make it more difficult for those top players to come to United.
We should remember why players like Berbatov and RVP came to United. Would they have come if we were a mid table side being coached by an incompetent manager who has never won anything? Of course not.
There is a point you are missing here. His style of play is terrible and the way he's building the squad with will take us nowhere. That's why he should be sacked regardless of the results. He had shown nothing to prove we are moving on the right track. Things will probably get worse rather than better.
The situation is already critical (relegation race), needs to sign big Sam asap
The guy uses the same tactics in every game and shows lack of depth in coaching and managing. For me, he should leave on his own accord instead of being sacked.
The club has no structure or identity. We can sack Ole but I feel the same mistakes will be made. We will sign more players, let our previous expensive signings rot on the bench, and repeat. We need to have a long term plan in place and sign the players and manager(s) that fit the plan. Other wise the vicious cycle of clear outs and purchasing 3-4 players will continue. Imo change will occur once the sponsorship money starts taking a hit.
Sometimes, there is only one club in for a player. For instance, Roma wanted to create an auction for Salah, but Liverpool was the only club interested.
Also, United can still pay more, but this could result in recruiting mercenaries, who are more interested in the money than anything else (why else would Sanchez join United over Pep?).
Ed should just announce Ole has been terminated, give him a payoff, and then name Ole interim manager.
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