Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Well to put this into perspective compared to us they spent 6.5m on transfers this summer and that was for three players. 2m a player.

That 6.5m also happens to be the most they have ever spent.

They have never played in the champions league before.
They have never won or drawn in the champions league, or even scored in the champions league exept against us. And obviously lost both their other games against psg and leipzig without even scoring.

They are a shite team. Not comparable to us in any way. Championship level. Makes sense they are also 60 positions below us in the club rankings. We should beat that level a team comfortably which is what we did. Thus I won’t get carried away.

You don’t know what you are talking about and blindly use transfer fees to make lazy argument. They were last season Turkey Super league title winner and it’s a league that better than Scottish league as they have very well known clubs like Galatasary, Fenerbache, Besiktas.

They are actually better team than West Brom, they are not championship level. They are very well capable team that can cause trouble not just to us, how? Look at these facts:

They had more possession vs RB Leipzig which very unusual for for Leipzig:

And they had 16 shots which only 2 less than PSG (18), PSG needed to score their first goal in 64th min. I remember watching the match in first half and I thought Istanbul were the better team than PSG.

 

[croadyman]

I look at this chelsea side and man they have strengthed immensely. It's sad how both united and Chelsea finished similar on points but one team decided to act like a big club and the other are just dithering once again.

We have been forced to dither because unlike Chelsea we aren't being bankrolled by a russian sugar daddy who sees money as no object

 

[Zen86]

Well to put this into perspective compared to us they spent 6.5m on transfers this summer and that was for three players. 2m a player.

That 6.5m also happens to be the most they have ever spent.

They have never played in the champions league before.
They have never won or drawn in the champions league, or even scored in the champions league exept against us. And obviously lost both their other games against psg and leipzig without even scoring.

They are a shite team. Not comparable to us in any way. Championship level. Makes sense they are also 60 positions below us in the club rankings. We should beat that level a team comfortably which is what we did. Thus I won’t get carried away.

You obviously know nothing about them, Googling a couple numbers doesn’t mask that very well.

 

[meamth]

We have been forced to dither because unlike Chelsea we aren't being bankrolled by a russian sugar daddy who sees money as no object

Some fans cannot differentiate oil money and club's money.

 

[wolvored]

I think now the euphoria of the win has ebbed a bit we can see in the light of day how much Bruno influences the side. For a good part of that second half after he left he pitch we started to turn into raggy arse rovers again. We are one injury away from being a top 6 side imo.
I hope Ole keeps faith with VDB. He was our next best player and to drop him to the bench again after his performance could shatter any confidence he got from last night. One player he should drop is Martial, who is woefully off form.
These next 4 games will determine if Ole is capable of taking us onto better things. Southampton, W Ham, City and PSG could make or break him. Lose 3/4 and Deadwood might pull the trigger. Win 3/4 and he might see through till the end of the season.

 

[DRJosh]

I'm getting annoyed by this "no clear way of playing".

Stop it.

Did you watch the game? We're you putting blind eyes when we play fast direct football in the first half?

i think the issue is that “our discernible style of play” is predicated on a “Bruno or Bust” approach. The team looked painfully ordinary after Bruno was substituted.

 

[lysglimt]

I agree it hasn't all been great - far from it, but we have still won 9 out of the 14 matches this season. Judging from the comments here - it sounds like we have lost 9 out of 14.

 

[TheGame]

You don’t know what you are talking about and blindly use transfer fees to make lazy argument. They were last season Turkey Super league title winner and it’s a league that better than Scottish league as they have very well known clubs like Galatasary, Fenerbache, Besiktas.

They are actually better team than West Brom, they are not championship level. They are very well capable team that can cause trouble not just to us, how? Look at these facts:

They had more possession vs RB Leipzig which very unusual for for Leipzig:

And they had 16 shots which only 2 less than PSG (18), PSG needed to score their first goal in 64th min. I remember watching the match in first half and I thought Istanbul were the better team than PSG.

Excellant post, people calling Istanbul a championship side are laughable, they were very unlucky in that PSG game. This is the first season in the CL and they won their league last season. There are no easy games in the CL. As an example, Juve only beat Ferencvaros by a late goal tonight.

 

[Gabagoo]

Some fans cannot differentiate oil money and club's money.

We were around €20m away from landing Sancho. We chose not to pull the trigger, after an entire window of his club laying down clear rules and us choosing to ignore them, instead choosing to play our own game - and then losing at that.

We also could have pulled out early from the Sancho deal and bought, say, Saint-Maximin and Benrahma for less total money, both of whom are better players than Dan James by some distance. We chose not to.

We dithered, as usual. I blame Solksjaer partly for the plan, and Woodward completely for the execution.

 

[Widow]

Is this the sack Ole or the Istanbul Post match thread?

 

[VP89]

We have been forced to dither because unlike Chelsea we aren't being bankrolled by a russian sugar daddy who sees money as no object

What has Lampard spent relative to Ole in the 2 years they've been in charge?

 

[Sky1981]

That was not what I asked, and it didn’t put anything into perspective. I advise you to watch their game against PSG. And maybe their last domestic matches. Maybe even watch the game they played against us. Watch closely when they have their little spells, how hard they are and how fast they move the ball. For a shit team I mean. I will never understand the need for putting out crap like you just did! Of course we are a better team. A lot better. But don’t be a smug pretending you know something you don’t, only to put our manager and team down.

The irony, so you know better because you watch their match with PSG?

You must be fun at parties

 

[romufc]

No, I blame Ole for the team not turning up on the pitch. And not performing to the standards its easily capable of with or without more signings.

Moyes had money available to spend, obviously, because we were desperately trying to sign Fabregas and Bale, it's HIS fault we didn't look at anyone else, not Woodward's. Woodward failed to deliver on targets, but you don't need to be an experienced top level manager to know that signing players like Fabregas and Bale, or Sancho today, is not easy and never guaranteed.

All our failed managers had hundreds of millions available to them and they have all spent badly. Woodward and Judge are abysmal at their jobs but you have to be wildly deluded to think they should also have the blame for not picking the right transfer targets and not looking at fall back options, that's not in their remit.

We ended the last transfer window with a midfielder Ole clearly wasn't particularly interested in, and a striker who's beyond past-it. We can split hairs over who is more responsible but there is zero chance Ole is blameless in that.

If you think I am deluded let me bring a couple of points up.

Why did Jose win the league at Chelsea? He got Fabregas and Matic, players he wanted
Why is Jose doing well at Spurs? He got the players he wanted.

At United, managers get sold the dream that they can sign certain players, then when the window comes, they are too expensive.

Well, that is the boards fault, why promise big name when you can't deliver? Jose has been told by Levy, we cant afford £90m we need to look for £20/30m players and thats what they did. So don't tell me its the managers fault because the manager doesn't scout players.

The club has a whole division, Ed Woodward was speaking up his new stat based transfer policy, so how is that the manager?

Do you think Klopp scouts his own player? He scouted Tsimiskas and Jota?
Do you think Pep scouts his own players?

No, the club have people doing that, the manager tells the board they want a player in xyz positions, with xyz attributes, and would maybe say a player like xyz.

Why after 8 years and 4 managers, are we still discussing recruitment? the same managers who you are blaming have had success buying players elsewhere.

 

[Bobcat]

We were around €20m away from landing Sancho. We chose not to pull the trigger, after an entire window of his club laying down clear rules and us choosing to ignore them, instead choosing to play our own game - and then losing at that.

We also could have pulled out early from the Sancho deal and bought, say, Saint-Maximin and Benrahma for less total money, both of whom are better players than Dan James by some distance. We chose not to.

We dithered, as usual. I blame Solksjaer partly for the plan, and Woodward completely for the execution.

I agree. Ole should have more options lined up, but considering that saga went on for the entire summer he must have been confident Ed/Judge managed to reel it in.

That being said though, i dont think the window was a complete disaster. Cavani might be passed it, but he still shows glimpses of why he was one of the best no 9's in the world. Telles and DvB are good acquisitions in my opinion and the two youngsters might turn out to be great one day

 

[iato89]

People on here are clueless in what they actually want. Guarantee most of the ones moaning will be doing same to the next manager. They have no patience because most of them are glory hunters and can't take United not being the best. It's mainly about their bragging rights and egos.

Ole is a lot more popular with match going fans than he is with the keyboard warriors. Most sensible people don't ask for a manager to be sacked 2 games into a season like they did on here.

You are wrong if you think people want Ole out because of the first 3 league games, some people, including me, want him out from last December as we do not beleive he is good enough and we are simply wasting time and posptoning the inevitable. It is not about results but also performance, after 2 years we are still blunt, not convincing but keep pouring out excuses, time will tell.

 

[troylocker]

Ole's win-% this season so far 64,3.
Ole's win-% since Bruno (1/2) 64,9.

Top 10 United managers of all time:

Manager	From	Until	Games per Honour	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Alex Ferguson	1986	2013	43	895	338	267	1500	59.67
José Mourinho	2016	2018	48	84	32	28	144	58.33
Ernest Mangnall	1903	1912	93.25	202	76	95	373	54.16
David Moyes	2013	2014	51	27	9	15	51	52.94
Louis van Gaal	2014	2016	103	54	25	24	103	52.43
Matt Busby	1970	1971	–	11	3	7	21	52.38
Matt Busby	1945	1969	86.15	565	263	292	1120	50.45
T.J. Wallworth	1912	1912	–	3	2	1	6	50
Ron Atkinson	1981	1986	97.33	146	79	67	292	50

Can we please stop being so reactionary and give this project some support. Social media, lack of memory and the need to be right makes all discussions so black and whites and polarized it hurts to witness. We won ugly and lost in horrible ways under Fergie from time to time as well. We will win ugly and have terrible performances every once in a while no matter who manages us. Let's see this season through and evaluate then.

 

[RUCK4444]

Ole's win-% this season so far 64,3.
Ole's win-% since Bruno (1/2) 64,9.

Top 10 United managers of all time:

Manager	From	Until	Games per Honour	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Alex Ferguson	1986	2013	43	895	338	267	1500	59.67
José Mourinho	2016	2018	48	84	32	28	144	58.33
Ernest Mangnall	1903	1912	93.25	202	76	95	373	54.16
David Moyes	2013	2014	51	27	9	15	51	52.94
Louis van Gaal	2014	2016	103	54	25	24	103	52.43
Matt Busby	1970	1971	–	11	3	7	21	52.38
Matt Busby	1945	1969	86.15	565	263	292	1120	50.45
T.J. Wallworth	1912	1912	–	3	2	1	6	50
Ron Atkinson	1981	1986	97.33	146	79	67	292	50

Can we please stop being so reactionary and give this project some support. Social media, lack of memory and the need to be right makes all discussions so black and whites and polarized it hurts to witness. We won ugly and lost in horrible ways under Fergie from time to time as well. We will win ugly and have terrible performanses every once in a while no matter who manages us. Let's see this season through and evaluate then.

Good post. Not sure many will listen but there is every reason to let this season play out under Ole and we should therefore (as fans) get behind the manager and players during the season.

This whole forum has become a tool to bash the club.

 

[Wilt]

Well to put this into perspective compared to us they spent 6.5m on transfers this summer and that was for three players. 2m a player.

That 6.5m also happens to be the most they have ever spent.

They have never played in the champions league before.
They have never won or drawn in the champions league, or even scored in the champions league exept against us. And obviously lost both their other games against psg and leipzig without even scoring.

Christ! That’s equivalent to 4 months pay for De Gea

I‘m almost starting to feel sorry for them ....but not quite

 

[Nou_Camp99]

You are wrong if you think people want Ole out because of the first 3 league games, some people, including me, want him out from last December as we do not beleive he is good enough and we are simply wasting time and posptoning the inevitable. It is not about results but also performance, after 2 years we are still blunt, not convincing but keep pouring out excuses, time will tell.

He's only had 1 full season which we came 3rd. Can't you see how ridiculous this all is? He hasn't failed......yet. At least let him have a chance to either succeed or fail first. It's embarrassing all this honestly.

You can have your opinions about whether you think he will be good enough or not but he hasn't done anything to get sacked yet. We'd be sacking him for doing what? Finishing 3rd to two teams who are better than us. Madness.

If we come 5th or lower in May then he will have failed to meet targets. Until then he's earned the chance to finish the season.

 

[iato89]

He's only had 1 full season which we came 3rd. Can't you see how ridiculous this all is? He hasn't failed......yet. At least let him have a chance to either succeed or fail first. It's embarrassing all this honestly.

You can have your opinions about whether you think he will be good enough or not but he hasn't done anything to get sacked yet. We'd be sacking him for doing what? Finishing 3rd to two teams who are better than us. Madness.

If we come 5th or lower in May then he will have failed to meet targets. Until then he's earned the chance to finish the season.

I disagree, after 2 years we are still inconsistent and playing crap football too often (just look at last week game vs westbrom). I compare Ole tenure as a ''seesaw''' , ups always follow by a down, we started crap and had a big thrasing vs spurs, then we won vs newcastle, Psg, drawn against chelsea, won against RB and then we went again for a bad patch (Arsenal, istanbul) now we are on the up again of the ''seesaw'', everton, westbrom (very lucky) and istanbul, I am sure the bad patch is around the corner, then rince and repeat!

So if we continue this, lets say, till the end of December, do we keep him till May to MAYBE finish 4th or we try to get a good coach and salvage the season? Lat year we came 3rd but covid ruined everything as some took advantage of it(like us) and other capitulated liek leicester, without the top I sincerely believe we would not arrived top 4. Time will tell but as I said I have zero believe he will succeed after what was shown in the last 2 years.

 

[Flexdegea]

I agree it hasn't all been great - far from it, but we have still won 9 out of the 14 matches this season. Judging from the comments here - it sounds like we have lost 9 out of 14.

That the bit I dont get. You would think we were snowballing really really bad, and the manager was a defeat away from the sack.


The drama at the moment is created in peoples heads.



If we were ever at that stage we were during the end days with Moyes or Jose I'd he first to say.


We havent even been close to that at all.

 

[Jonno]

There is an ongoing angry agenda that just wants Ole sacked regardless of how well he's actually doing.

We're on course for either a good season, or a poor one. I don't understand how people want him sacked "just in case" we don't do well. We had a good season last season and he's earnt himself the time this season.

 

[TheGame]

Is this the sack Ole or the Istanbul Post match thread?

It doesn't matter any more, the toxic posting just spreads across all threads, its pathetic.

 

[Jonno]

I think quite a few are getting carried away and don't actually realize how rubbish Istabul Fc really are.

Nobody is trying to knight Ole for last nights win. But 9 points from 4 CL games is impressive, especially in the manner we thumped Leipzig. How rubbish are they? Last time I checked, they had the next best manager in world football in charge, playing beautiful, tactical masterclass football, and were top of the Bundesliga the week we were due to play them. How rubbish were are they?

Should we not enjoy that win either?

 

[Nou_Camp99]

I disagree, after 2 years we are still inconsistent and playing crap football too often (just look at last week game vs westbrom). I compare Ole tenure as a ''seesaw''' , ups always follow by a down, we started crap and had a big thrasing vs spurs, then we won vs newcastle, Psg, drawn against chelsea, won against RB and then we went again for a bad patch (Arsenal, istanbul) now we are on the up again of the ''seesaw'', everton, westbrom (very lucky) and istanbul, I am sure the bad patch is around the corner, then rince and repeat!

So if we continue this, lets say, till the end of December, do we keep him till May to MAYBE finish 4th or we try to get a good coach and salvage the season? Lat year we came 3rd but covid ruined everything as some took advantage of it(like us) and other capitulated liek leicester, without the top I sincerely believe we would not arrived top 4. Time will tell but as I said I have zero believe he will succeed after what was shown in the last 2 years.

I'm sorry but this is incredibly short sighted and exactly why he wont be sacked any time soon. Ole hasn't failed to deliver any of the targets hes been set yet. When he does then it's time for the discussion.

People complaining about the way we're playing is doing my head in. Not many sides currently are playing exciting football in the PL. Most teams are playing within themselves.

You can't sack him for finishing 3rd below two teams who are simply better than us. If he comes 7th or 8th in May then you'll have a point.

 

[Karlos PFC]

Ole's win-% this season so far 64,3.
Ole's win-% since Bruno (1/2) 64,9.

Top 10 United managers of all time:

Manager	From	Until	Games per Honour	W	D	L	Total	Win%
Alex Ferguson	1986	2013	43	895	338	267	1500	59.67
José Mourinho	2016	2018	48	84	32	28	144	58.33
Ernest Mangnall	1903	1912	93.25	202	76	95	373	54.16
David Moyes	2013	2014	51	27	9	15	51	52.94
Louis van Gaal	2014	2016	103	54	25	24	103	52.43
Matt Busby	1970	1971	–	11	3	7	21	52.38
Matt Busby	1945	1969	86.15	565	263	292	1120	50.45
T.J. Wallworth	1912	1912	–	3	2	1	6	50
Ron Atkinson	1981	1986	97.33	146	79	67	292	50

Can we please stop being so reactionary and give this project some support. Social media, lack of memory and the need to be right makes all discussions so black and whites and polarized it hurts to witness. We won ugly and lost in horrible ways under Fergie from time to time as well. We will win ugly and have terrible performances every once in a while no matter who manages us. Let's see this season through and evaluate then.

This nonsense with the tables must stop at some time. Ole's got 64% wow, crazy and all, but you can't compare different eras or total games or how many years was someone as a coach.

By that logic Ole must be a better manager than SAF or Moyes was a better manager than sir Matt. No fecking way

You can't even compare their first 30-40-50-whatever games of each manager, as United were not the monster of a club that has become under SAF.

Those were different times and there were different goals to be achieved. At this moment United is not a team that hasn't win the league for 27 years or been relegated and returned. We are being considered as one of the biggest teams in the world, at least financially, and you expect certain things from a top club.

All this "rebuilding" is just a hoax or maybe a masterplan from Ed given that Ole works as a lighting rod for the angry fans.

Some managers spent all in all 3 years at a club, for Ole it's 3 years in the "making". What a load of crap.
When a manager goes to a club, there begins the "rebuild". I can't remember anyone saying that I need 3 years to get my own players so then you can judge me. Every manager has to sign his players but he must get the best out of the already existing ones.

 

[troylocker]

This nonsense with the tables must stop at some time. Ole's got 64% wow, crazy and all, but you can't compare different eras or total games or how many years was someone as a coach.

By that logic Ole must be a better manager than SAF or Moyes was a better manager than sir Matt. No fecking way

You can't even compare their first 30-40-50-whatever games of each manager, as United were not the monster of a club that has become under SAF.

Those were different times and there were different goals to be achieved. At this moment United is not a team that hasn't win the league for 27 years or been relegated and returned. We are being considered as one of the biggest teams in the world, at least financially, and you expect certain things from a top club.

All this "rebuilding" is just a hoax or maybe a masterplan from Ed given that Ole works as a lighting rod for the angry fans.

Some managers spent all in all 3 years at a club, for Ole it's 3 years in the "making". What a load of crap.
When a manager goes to a club, there begins the "rebuild". I can't remember anyone saying that I need 3 years to get my own players so then you can judge me. Every manager has to sign his players but he must get the best out of the already existing ones.

So are you expecting this squad and a different manager to be better than City and 'Pool?
The win % is not to imply that Ole is the best ever, but to show that maybe it is not as bad as it reads in here. Fergies win % by the way is including a 20 year long era where we were the Bohemoth of English football. Talking of sacking the manager when we have lost only 6 of our last 37 matches is just crazy, especially when we have nothing to show for the last 7 years.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I think quite a few are getting carried away and don't actually realize how rubbish Istabul Fc really are.

Whether they are crap or not, people basing whether he should stay or go on last nights result are cretins.

The OgS in crowd have spent these first couple months of the season defending his critics as ‘knee-jerk’ stating we’re only 8 games into the season [which is fair] although he barely impressed last season so anyone saying last night is evidence of anything substantial given the return tie a few weeks ago & the sh*t show that was the West Brom game. . . no sorry the Palace game. . . no sorry the Spurs game. . . or do I mean the Arsenal game. . . or do I mean the Southampton game last season. . . [I could go on] really needs their head checking.

Have we improved from when Jose was actively attempting to get sacked, hell yes but to act as if last night cures all issues is dim.

If OgS can replicate performances like last night consistently in the league then this whole thread is irrelevant - it’s still rather large IF though but I wish him well as his success would be the clubs.

 

[OleBoiii]

Ole's win-% this season so far 64,3.
Ole's win-% since Bruno (1/2) 64,9.

Thanks for this! I was about to go through the data myself.

Do you have the "complete" data(number of wins, draws and losses) from Bruno's arrival and up until now? I'd like to start keeping track myself, as I feel that this is one of the strongest arguments for being Ole in.

 

[RumHam]

Whether they are crap or not, people basing whether he should stay or go on last nights result are cretins.

The OgS in crowd have spent these first couple months of the season defending his critics as ‘knee-jerk’ stating we’re only 8 games into the season [which is fair] although he barely impressed last season so anyone saying last night is evidence of anything substantial given the return tie a few weeks ago & the sh*t show that was the West Brom game. . . no sorry the Palace game. . . no sorry the Spurs game. . . or do I mean the Arsenal game. . . or do I mean the Southampton game last season. . . [I could go on] really needs their head checking.

Have we improved from when Jose was actively attempting to get sacked, hell yes but to act as if last night cures all issues is dim.

If OgS can replicate performances like last night consistently in the league then this whole thread is irrelevant - it’s still rather large IF though but I wish him well as his success would be the clubs.

But there wouldn't have to be a polarising Ole-in crowd if there wasn't such a reactionary Ole-out crowd constantly attacking him. I would think that most rationale supporters would want to take stock after more than 7/8 games in a ridiculous season after he achieved above expectations last season, but there is a very loud and prominent group that consistently bang this drum.

 

[Mihai]

Is this the sack Ole or the Istanbul Post match thread?

Ole's sack post Istanbul match

 

[rotherham_red]

I disagree, after 2 years we are still inconsistent and playing crap football too often (just look at last week game vs westbrom). I compare Ole tenure as a ''seesaw''' , ups always follow by a down, we started crap and had a big thrasing vs spurs, then we won vs newcastle, Psg, drawn against chelsea, won against RB and then we went again for a bad patch (Arsenal, istanbul) now we are on the up again of the ''seesaw'', everton, westbrom (very lucky) and istanbul, I am sure the bad patch is around the corner, then rince and repeat!

So if we continue this, lets say, till the end of December, do we keep him till May to MAYBE finish 4th or we try to get a good coach and salvage the season? Lat year we came 3rd but covid ruined everything as some took advantage of it(like us) and other capitulated liek leicester, without the top I sincerely believe we would not arrived top 4. Time will tell but as I said I have zero believe he will succeed after what was shown in the last 2 years.

6-9 months of those two years have been where a ball hasn't been kicked...

 

[rotherham_red]

Thanks for this! I was about to go through the data myself.

Do you have the "complete" data(number of wins, draws and losses) from Bruno's arrival and up until now? I'd like to start keeping track myself, as I feel that this is one of the strongest arguments for being Ole in.

@RedSky is your man.

 

[troylocker]

Thanks for this! I was about to go through the data myself.

Do you have the "complete" data(number of wins, draws and losses) from Bruno's arrival and up until now? I'd like to start keeping track myself, as I feel that this is one of the strongest arguments for being Ole in.

From Bruno's arrival:

24 wins, 7 draws and 6 losses.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Nice. We beat some 2nd rate Turkish side 4-1. Thats kind of expected when you have the talent we have in our squad. I wouldnt put it past us to lose miserably this weekend. Also, Ole should consider halving his salary with Bruno - that man has almost single handendly kept him in the job.

 

[Smores]

I'm sorry but this is incredibly short sighted and exactly why he wont be sacked any time soon. Ole hasn't failed to deliver any of the targets hes been set yet. When he does then it's time for the discussion.

People complaining about the way we're playing is doing my head in. Not many sides currently are playing exciting football in the PL. Most teams are playing within themselves.

You can't sack him for finishing 3rd below two teams who are simply better than us. If he comes 7th or 8th in May then you'll have a point.

So as long as he continues to get top 4 you think we should never sack him? Even if we continue to be poor far too often?

I think there's a miscommunication between some camps on here because some are judging him based on performance against last/this years target whilst others are assessing the managers capabilities and judging if he's shown enough to be the man we need long term.

That second approach isn't something new it's what Moyes, LvG, and Jose all contended with but obviously with Ole being a legend as a player people are more defensive.

Ole might learn on the job (not ideal) and he'll probably make signings that improve us further (e.g. put Kane in to this team and we improve irrespective of coaching) but it's not 'wrong' to make an assessment on Ole's capabilities. He could make his short term targets but never be good enough and thus we waste time. The Lingard of the manager world if you will.

So far the club have only fired managers based off performance but at some point that will shift towards asking if he's the right man long term. Top clubs operate far more on that latter approach because why waste time.

 

[OleBoiii]

From Bruno's arrival:

24 wins, 7 draws and 6 losses.

Cheers! Those are good numbers. Even better when you know that 2 of those 6 losses came when we looked knackered from lack of a preseason.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

So as long as he continues to get top 4 you think we should never sack him? Even if we continue to be poor far too often?

Nope not all. But if he continues to get top 4 when all we have is a top 4 quality squad then yes he should stay.

We don't have the best squad in the league. We don't even have the 2nd or 3rd best I don't think. I think given Chelsea's recent spending spree we probably have the 4th best squad now. We can easily still finish 4th.

In terms of squad depth and quality

1. Liverpool
2. City / Chelsea
3. Chelsea / City
4. United or maybe Spurs. Very close I'd say.

So what you want Ole to do is to over perform with what he has got to pick from basically. It's nonsense.

 

[troylocker]

This nonsense with the tables must stop at some time. Ole's got 64% wow, crazy and all, but you can't compare different eras or total games or how many years was someone as a coach.

By that logic Ole must be a better manager than SAF or Moyes was a better manager than sir Matt. No fecking way

You can't even compare their first 30-40-50-whatever games of each manager, as United were not the monster of a club that has become under SAF.

Those were different times and there were different goals to be achieved. At this moment United is not a team that hasn't win the league for 27 years or been relegated and returned. We are being considered as one of the biggest teams in the world, at least financially, and you expect certain things from a top club.

All this "rebuilding" is just a hoax or maybe a masterplan from Ed given that Ole works as a lighting rod for the angry fans.

Some managers spent all in all 3 years at a club, for Ole it's 3 years in the "making". What a load of crap.
When a manager goes to a club, there begins the "rebuild". I can't remember anyone saying that I need 3 years to get my own players so then you can judge me. Every manager has to sign his players but he must get the best out of the already existing ones.

Is you expectations based on past or current status of the club and squad?

Your post pretty much makes my point regarding the discussion being so black and white, so thank you for that! Even managed to put the word hoax in there. Thanks again! Trump would be proud

 

[Sky1981]

Nope not all. But if he continues to get top 4 when all we have is a top 4 quality squad then yes he should stay.

We don't have the best squad in the league. We don't even have the 2nd or 3rd best I don't think. I think given Chelsea's recent spending spree we probably have the 4th best squad now. We can easily still finish 4th.

In terms of squad depth and quality

1. Liverpool
2. City / Chelsea
3. Chelsea / City
4. United or maybe Spurs. Very close I'd say.

So what you want Ole to do is to over perform with what he has got to pick from basically. It's nonsense.

Spent 1bn : but we're playing catch up
Finishing 2nd : we should finished 1st
Finishing 3rd : progresss
10th in the league : we're not top 4 material
Spent 120m : but we miss sancho
Playing tumescent football : but we beat psg
Winning EL : tin cup
Losing semifinal EL : progress
3 years spunking 300m with nothing to show : but klopp won nothing in his first 4. But saf took 6 years
Last year : brilliant signing. Ole masterpieces
This year : it's not his call. He never ask for those players. It's all ed.

Double standards