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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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You’re familiar with the word “if” and it’s usage, right? I said “if you had been born in Texas”. Anyway, good night and dream beautiful Top Red dreams, kiddo
Why should I compare them to old teams? I should compare them to current big rivals in the league, and I'm pretty sure names wise this squad is in no way or shape not good enough to challenge the current big teams in PL for the title.
Well, it also sounds like you have an issue with letting opposing viewpoints rile you tbh, and I am sure you don’t call out the posters who rigidly reject any fair criticisms of the management, of which there are plenty. Anyway, at least you mentioned specific posters this time, which is a start to having a more meaningful conversation about it
This is kind of my point, only with a different spin.
The standards of the squad, relative to the squads we're competing with, have dropped drastically. And along with that, so should our (fans) expectations of said squad. This is where I think the "standards have dropped" guys get it wrong.
Would I be happy about finishing third again with the squad we have right now? Maybe not happy, but I really don't expect more (or less). If we add another piece or two to the puzzle? Then my expectations will change accordingly. If we lose key pieces of the puzzle? My expectations will change accordingly to that as well.
As you say. Pleased for the win. Onwards and upwards.
I was just highlighting the standard of player we have had and currently have. We’re kinda arguing the same point I think, regardless of era
I would guess he learned from his mistakes at Liverpool plus they ain't what they are now he wasn't backed how Klopp has been . I'd love him at United
People are fair enough looking for signs of progress in how we play, as that will point to our chances of success going forward. If we are maximizing the talent that we have, then you could argue Ole has done all he can and we cannot expect more. I think it’s very generous to suggest that.
Also, the argument that “West Brom gave Chelsea a match recently so context” or whatever is also a bit limiting, as it suggests we are somehow unable to use the context of what we have seen in our other games this season to inform our opinion.
Well, it also sounds like you have an issue with letting opposing viewpoints rile you tbh, and I am sure you don’t call out the posters who rigidly reject any fair criticisms of the management, of which there are plenty. Anyway, at least you mentioned specific posters this time, which is a start to having a more meaningful conversation about it
... so the only way to have a meaningful conversation about this is if I mention every single poster who's criticizm or defense of Ole is way over the top? There are 854 pages of content in this thread. I can find names on both sides if you want to, but I don't really see how that makes the conversation more fruitful, to be honest.
And yes, I have an issue with getting riled up when entering this thread. As many of us seem to have, one way or another. I'm obviously very ashamed of this, but it's become an addiction to visit this thread every now and then, even though I know my blood pressure will reach unhealthy levels. Especially when my favorite football team wins football games, and I still bother reading the endless negative propaganda in here.
But it'll pass. As it always does. I probably won't visit this thread for another week after tonight
If we win next weekend, I'll probably be back arguing against the same people about the same things using the same arguments. If we lose, I'm hiding for another weekend, until a game is played that fits my narrative as "deluded Ole Inner". It's what this thread is about, it seems.If you have a problem with a post, it makes sense to respond to that post/poster, doesn’t it? Otherwise who are you really talking to?
Anyway, as to your second paragraph, I dunno, to me it comes across a little overly-sensitive, and maybe it is a healthy idea for you to take a step back, but you do you, friend. Good luck with the high blood pressure, I can relate myself
More chance of me gaining 4 inches on my reproductor than someone thinking they’ll be a day Ole wins the Prem and I’m going to be questioned in what do I think of him now.
If you have a problem with a post, it makes sense to respond to that post/poster, doesn’t it? Otherwise who are you really talking to?
Anyway, as to your second paragraph, I dunno, to me it comes across a little overly-sensitive, and maybe it is a healthy idea for you to take a step back, but you do you, friend. Good luck with the high blood pressure, I can relate myself
Don't be obtuse, mate. You can talk about general narratives without quoting every single poster supporting said narrative. And stop being so fecking condescending, you're in here arguing the same way I am, only using more smiley faces and derailing whatever topic I was rambling about while yelling at a cloud.
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Don't be obtuse, mate. You can talk about general narratives without quoting every single poster supporting said narrative. And stop being so fecking condescending, you're in here arguing the same way I am, only using more smiley faces and derailing whatever topic I was rambling about while yelling at a cloud.
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Yep, good luck with that high blood pressure, bro!
What?
Wasnt great tonight, strange game, johnstone was unreal, another night could have been more......Ole said himself was poor.
But what I dont get is everyone melting down. Win this game in hand, we be 3 points behind mighty spurs.
We've more enough quality up front, who havent got going yet, like they did end of last season, to really start motoring into form.
Maybe it's just me, but 8 games into season and not too far off, never mind not even quarter into the season, not sure what the fuss is about.
Manager should be backed until it looks like we literally snowballing to massive 7th place around January.
But what I dont get is everyone melting down. Win this game in hand, we be 3 points behind mighty spurs.
We've more enough quality up front, who havent got going yet, like they did end of last season, to really start motoring into form.
Maybe it's just me, but 8 games into season and not too far off, never mind not even quarter into the season, not sure what the fuss is about.
Manager should be backed until it looks like we literally snowballing to massive 7th place around January.
The fact remains that Ole is a limited coach who not developed a real style of play other than trying to take advantage of counter attack. Couple that with the owners and Woodward negligence in not signing a RW which leaves the team completely lopsided. Then add his insistence on Martial playing as a traditional 9, when he doesn’t have the work rate or postitonal sense and hold the ball up ability to play there.
The players are a decent selection, but figure that most fans would consider a different coach would get much more out of them with a different style that suits their ability. This is not just an Ole out comment, but more we can do and should expect better.
The players are a decent selection, but figure that most fans would consider a different coach would get much more out of them with a different style that suits their ability. This is not just an Ole out comment, but more we can do and should expect better.
How's the diet going?
I was Ole out from the day he arrived, though I accept the reality that if results are good he gets to stay whether I like it or not. My fundamental view is that he is there purely as a fan favourite to insulate Ed from criticism while he assets strips the club. Of course if Ole won the title then I would have to rethink that.
How's the diet going?
I was Ole out from the day he arrived, though I accept the reality that if results are good he gets to stay whether I like it or not. My fundamental view is that he is there purely as a fan favourite to insulate Ed from criticism while he assets strips the club. Of course if Ole won the title then I would have to rethink that.
No diet, just keeping track of those darn calories and exercise a lot. How about you? Still eating walnuts for dinner?
I know your view on this, which is why I mentioned you. I didn’t even intend to, but @Gazza didn’t think my argument was valid without your name in it.
No diet, just keeping track of those darn calories and exercise a lot. How about you? Still eating walnuts for dinner?
I know your view on this, which is why I mentioned you. I didn’t even intend to, but @Gazza didn’t think my argument was valid without your name in it.
Nah I just decided to eat less and exercise more. Reductionism and ignoring the evidence saves me from having to think
Speaking of which I must correct you - my views on Ole are entirely related to performance. He wins plenty of games - how could he not with the budget at his disposal? But he isn't able to do so so consistently across a season (and therefore doesn't win any silverware) because (IMHO) he is tactically primitive, is a poor technical coach, and is hampered by the same dysfunctional club structure that allowed him to become manager in the first place despite his limitations. If he did win consistently then that opinion would be shown to be wrong and I would have to change my mind. But he doesn't.
We're building slowly for the future, with the lowball approach in the transfer-market but it's hard for Ole to prove much when he doesn't have a right winger until January and even then that young player will have a lot of pressure on him being a year younger than Greenwood. I'm not sure this is the way to go. The manager is in a constant line of fire, having to rely on youngsters without getting any credit for it. I feel that the club should come out and say something to take the pressure of Ole, whilst giving him more authority. Either that or back him financially and judge him harshly if he fails. At the moment he is doing the right things, but there is a limit to what you can expect and I'm sad I can't expect more than whats realistic. We could regress this season if Cavani doesn't work out while we once again rely on Matic and Mata as regulars. VDB was an expensive Lingard replacement. This team need more and I find it hard to judge Ole fairly. I'm not sure even Pep or Klopp could win the league with this squad, and considering Ole's status I think he is doing well. Barely enough to keep the job at times, but I'm not sure he would fail with a better squad. It could be a great Man Utd team as he has a lot of good qualities.
He wouldn't come here, but the difference between him and Ole is night and day, both as a manger, and - more importantly - as a coach. We laughed at him during his Liverpool days, but he's proving himself to be very accomplished, and will do well with a top club eventually.
No diet, just keeping track of those darn calories and exercise a lot. How about you? Still eating walnuts for dinner?
I know your view on this, which is why I mentioned you. I didn’t even intend to, but @Gazza didn’t think my argument was valid without your name in it.
Nah, I said it would make sense to address your posts to the people you disagree with, if they give you high blood pressure? Let me know if you need me to explain this for you again
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Really well put.
Ole need to thank the ref for yesterday. He basically saved his arse.
Greenwood = Mahrez
Mata = Bernardo Silva
Bruno = KDB
Martial = Jesus
Rashford = Sterling
Cavani = current Aguero
If anyone think other manager can do better or even make us to challenging the league with our current squad then it’s certainly not Pep Guardiola. Klopp could but who’s on his level at the moment? Not many, I can cut few fingers on my right arm to name and I will still have few left.
We had great games against the likes of Everton, RB Leipzig & PSG and struggled against the ones who sit deep but today we had 3 points. This type of scrappy win is needed. Spurs actually also only won 1-0 against them from set pieces few weeks ago.
Mata = Bernardo Silva
Bruno = KDB
Martial = Jesus
Rashford = Sterling
Cavani = current Aguero
If anyone think other manager can do better or even make us to challenging the league with our current squad then it’s certainly not Pep Guardiola. Klopp could but who’s on his level at the moment? Not many, I can cut few fingers on my right arm to name and I will still have few left.
We had great games against the likes of Everton, RB Leipzig & PSG and struggled against the ones who sit deep but today we had 3 points. This type of scrappy win is needed. Spurs actually also only won 1-0 against them from set pieces few weeks ago.
I don't think people that think Ole is doing a good job knows the type of pressure he's in. He came to us as the most under qualified manager post Fergie. He's CV was never good enough to manage a top club like us. When you hire someone like that in such an important role he has to do something remarkable to erase the doubts people have in him due to being under qualified. Zidane won three champions league in a row and a league for people to start rating him and even there are still a number of Madrid fans that says he's not good enough and was carried by a good team and Barca's decline.
A coach who is massively under qualified to coach us would always have all eyes judging his every move and be in the hot seat. Standards have truly dropped if you're wondering why Ole is under this much criticism
A coach who is massively under qualified to coach us would always have all eyes judging his every move and be in the hot seat. Standards have truly dropped if you're wondering why Ole is under this much criticism
He is learning the job as he goes. Mike Phelan is his mentor. Does not matter how bad the team performs I trully cannot hate him. He was appointed as a caretaker manager and even at that point we knew what we were getting.
Almost two years in to Ole’s regime and we still sometimes perform so bad that it’s embarrassing to watch.
How can we still look so unorganized?
Our players keep doing the same individual mistakes over and over again and our manager don’t react and correct it. That’s a sign of bad coaching.
Ole’s formations and set ups are often unbalanced. Mata and AWB on the right don’t match. Maguire and Lindelöf is a partnership made in hell. One is weak and can’t head the ball and the other one is all over the place.
Ole seems to be unable to get the best out of our players. We’re highly inconsistent. Some players can go from world class to amateur level standard in less then a week.
I can go on and point out all the wrong doings but the bottom line is that most of our problems is on the manager to correct.
Some players don’t seems to really care enough when things go wrong.
If I compare how this team react to a challenge we simply don’t have enough warriors willing to do what it takes. Apart from Bruno and a few others too many seems to be uninterested when they should run and and work their socks off. Our tempo and urgency to create chances is sometimes nonexistent. These behaviors perfectly reflect our manager and his approach on the bench. Ole was nothing like that as a player but as a manager he’s often like a zombie.
How is this even possible when Sir Alex was his mentor and hero. There is nothing in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer that reminds me of a elite level coach and manager.
How can we still look so unorganized?
Our players keep doing the same individual mistakes over and over again and our manager don’t react and correct it. That’s a sign of bad coaching.
Ole’s formations and set ups are often unbalanced. Mata and AWB on the right don’t match. Maguire and Lindelöf is a partnership made in hell. One is weak and can’t head the ball and the other one is all over the place.
Ole seems to be unable to get the best out of our players. We’re highly inconsistent. Some players can go from world class to amateur level standard in less then a week.
I can go on and point out all the wrong doings but the bottom line is that most of our problems is on the manager to correct.
Some players don’t seems to really care enough when things go wrong.
If I compare how this team react to a challenge we simply don’t have enough warriors willing to do what it takes. Apart from Bruno and a few others too many seems to be uninterested when they should run and and work their socks off. Our tempo and urgency to create chances is sometimes nonexistent. These behaviors perfectly reflect our manager and his approach on the bench. Ole was nothing like that as a player but as a manager he’s often like a zombie.
How is this even possible when Sir Alex was his mentor and hero. There is nothing in Ole Gunnar Solskjaer that reminds me of a elite level coach and manager.
I really wonder where he'd be without VAR being introduced shortly after he came. Add to that the COVID break which allowed us to squeak top 4.
He's one of the luckiest managers I've ever seen.
Would any top teams hire him if he's available next? Probably not. But why? Can't they see all the good things he has done at United? Don't those big clubs want the same thing happen to their clubs?
Well, the answer is within yourself, if you try to be honest.
Well, the answer is within yourself, if you try to be honest.
He’s a our version of Southgate. Lucky, over his head and still in a job when it’s clear neither will achieve anything of note.
Both have very good players yet set up as the team that needs to play on the back foot and counter: 2 sitting deep midfielders and then long balls to wide players. Both manager are trying to copy Jose and failing miserably with horrendous football.
Can’t wait until he’s gone.
Both have very good players yet set up as the team that needs to play on the back foot and counter: 2 sitting deep midfielders and then long balls to wide players. Both manager are trying to copy Jose and failing miserably with horrendous football.
Can’t wait until he’s gone.
I could think of lots of reasons as to why Ole will not get another top job, but curious to know....
Why do you think no top club would hire Ole?
Most likely because they don't see him good enough to maintain their status as top club? or even worth to try him because of his non-existence potential?
But then, weird things happen. Just like Black Hole. And Trump had 70m voters.
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The Ole quote talking about West Brom's quality was so Moyes like, surely no one is going to excuse that?
Back in Norway, that's where.
For the first time in my 16 years of supporting the club, I stopped watching a game at half-time yesterday. The club has lost all sense of ambition and is completely adrift.
Even if we get the 3 points this thread is always on top...
Yet those defending him say they don’t understand the moaning, cause 1-0 is a good result.
They can’t see the woods from the trees.
@Skåre Willoch, this is why expectations should be sky high (and also why AC Milan’s shouldn’t), it’s also the reason Bayern don’t make the United mistake of keeping managers in too long to make a right feck up of thing. If you invest the first or second most in the league, expect good football and results pretty fecking quickly:
Full cost of each 25-man squad in the Premier League
- Manchester City - £810,870,000
- Manchester United - £628,130,000
- Chelsea - £577,100,000
- Arsenal - £454,800,000
- Liverpool - £454,250,000
- Everton - £388,050,000
- Tottenham Hotspur - £385,300,000
- Leicester City - £317,450,000
- Wolverhamton Wanderers - £241,980,000
- Aston Villa - £229,350,000
- West Ham United - £218,500,000
- Newcastle United - £198,100,000
- Southampton - £170,550,000
- Brighton & Hove Albion - £159,100,000
- Crystal Palace - £149,860,000
- Sheffield United - £120,700,000
- Leeds United - £120,300,000
- West Bromwich Albion - £97,700,000
- Fulham - £94,350,000
- Burnley - £82,600,000
Every match hurts so much with him as our coach.
- Tactically naive
- Relies on individual brilliance
- insistence of things that doesn't work
- No passion at the touch line/ no passion in the game
He looks directly opposite of Klopp. Give me any manager who is passionate, hopefully it will breath some fire in the belly of players. Just look at Rushford, Martial, Martial, Maquire, AWB and etc. There is no fire in this team except a couple. We will be stuck from 4-8 in the table with this team. What culture? I dont see any fire. I wish there is a manager like Roy but does not alienate players. That would be a perfect Man Utd manager.
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