Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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Skåre Willoch said:
I'm sure your standards are much, much higher than us fools who support the team and are happy when we win football games. My standards are so low, that I even smile when we win scrappy games 1-0, after outplaying the opposition for large parts of the game.

You're not happy until we dominate England and Europe again, for two decades at least. Anything else is a "drop in standards". Or have I misunderstood? Anything below what we were with Sir Alex in charge is not good enough? Because by default, our "standards" can't get back to what they were until we win another 13 league titles and a couple of european titles in two decades.
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Yes. Standards for United should be challenging for the league and big prizes in general, and putting on consistently good performance at home and getting consistent results. Anything else for Manchester United is low standards, period.

It's good for you if you adapted to us being crap and adjusted your standards but it's not the situation for many and definitely not for me. It's also not for pretty much every single big club around. For other big clubs these games are normal day in the office, but for United it's just a borefest hard work to get 3 points and not just that, we had to be content with this.

As I said it really hurts when put straight in the face that United's standards as a big club as dropped massively and that you are content with it. It's hard to say the truth, that what will be a normal day in the office for any big club, isn't actually for United any more.
 
Skåre Willoch said:
No. I wouldn't extend his contract at this stage. At all.



Yes. Does that have anything to do with standards? I hated the phrase just as much when LVG and Mourinho were in charge. Entitlement at its worst.
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It's the truth. Standards have dropped, otherwise we'd either be winning the league still or not happy with a lot of things that have seen us go without a major trophy for 7 years. Call it entitled, i don't care. I just hope those at the club remember what Fergie expected from his players in order to keep us at the top for so long. I have no shame in wanting us to be better than we are or, hell, be the best once again.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
So Bayern should retain failing managers? Or maintain standards by fecking them of and getting competent ones in?
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No, they shouldn't.

But if they were failing for the better part of a decade, they'd be wise to try and build something lasting with a manager they believe in. At least give him some time, for example three full seasons. And back him properly every window for those three full seasons.

Should AC Milan fire every manager who doesn't win the league, the CL, or isn't top of the league after 8 games every season? Do you think they'd be back to european domination quicker this way? By having three managers every season?
 
I’m somebody that thinks Ole should be replaced, but this thread has devolved into making baseless criticisms of Ole followed by “This! Exactly this! Absolutely this!!”
 
LVG was boring as feck but at least you know what he is trying to do which is keep possession. With Ole you have no idea what he is trying to do and the good thing is no one else also knows what he is trying to do. So the opposition has no clue either. The only problem is that our players also do not know.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Whaaaaat??? :confused::wenger:
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Manchester United have pretty much always played counter attacking football, especially in the europe. We don't play dominating possession football especially against the best teams in the CL, our best wins have been about sitting back soaking up pressure and then hitting teams on the counter.


Skåre Willoch said:
Right back at you, mate.
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Skåre Willoch said:
Right back at you, mate.
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If bayern gave a seriously failing manager almost a season, followed by 2 years for the next failure, followed by 2.5 years with some success, followed by 2 years again of “meh”....
the feck up wouldn’t have been “not giving time to build”, it’d be giving failing managers too much time to feck shit up.
United invest like almost no other, and should therefore set extremely high standards.
 
Foxbatt said:
LVG was boring as feck but at least you know what he is trying to do which is keep possession. With Ole you have no idea what he is trying to do and the good thing is no one else also knows what he is trying to do. So the opposition has no clue either. The only problem is that our players also do not know.
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''See that Bruno lad..? Just give it to him.''
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Not at all.

United never relied solely on counter attacking, ever. And especially not against shite sides.
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I agree completely. United under Fergie were almost always on the front foot from the first whistle. We had centre halves and full backs scoring for fun, let alone the front and midfield lads.
Yes, we could counter attack but generally we didn't sit back, especially at OT.
 
el3mel said:
Yes. Standards for United should be challenging for the league and big prizes in general, and putting on consistently good performance at home and getting consistent results. Anything else for Manchester United is low standards, period.

It's good for you if you adapted to us being crap and adjusted your standards but it's not the situation for many and definitely not for me. It's also not for pretty much every single big club around. For other big clubs these games are normal day in the office, but for United it's just a borefest hard work to get 3 points and not just that, we had to be content with this.

As I said it really hurts when put straight in the face that United's standards as a big club as dropped massively and that you are content with it. It's hard to say the truth, that what will be a normal day in the office for any big club, isn't actually for United any more.
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Oh, I absolutely agree we should be challenging for the title. 8 games in, I think it's waaay to early to say we won't this season.

And those standards you mention, I'd say is "dropped standards". We used to think we should win the league and big prizes in general, you're only talking about being in contention.

I hate not winning. That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. "Standards have dropped" has become the go-to phrase every time someone don't want to sack a manager. And it annoys me. It's not about standards. It's about being realistic, and different beliefs. I don't think sacking Ole now makes us any better in the long term, and is not what we need right now. I honestly don't think that's about standards at all, but about different beliefs.

"Stand by your manager", Sir Alex said. And ever since a lot of us fans have been doing the exact opposite, every single time the teams lose a game. Heck, even after we win some are still jabbing. That's what's a drop in standards.

pocco said:
It's the truth. Standards have dropped, otherwise we'd either be winning the league still or not happy with a lot of things that have seen us go without a major trophy for 7 years. Call it entitled, i don't care. I just hope those at the club remember what Fergie expected from his players in order to keep us at the top for so long. I have no shame in wanting us to be better than we are or, hell, be the best once again.
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Again, saying that I support Ole and don't want to see the back of him have nothing to do with standards. I don't have any shame either in "wanting us to be better than we are, or, hell, be the best once again". Because I obviously want that as much as anyone and everyone. Never, ever have I said we should be happy with not winning. But to be angry and mad and "SACK HIM NOW" is not the way to go about things at this stage.

Having a look at the squad, the club, the manager, the coaches, the entire structure of the behemoth that is Manchester United, it's easy to see that it will take even more time to become the power house we once were.

Realizing this is not about a drop in standards, it's about waking up and smelling the reality of our situation.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
So even Ole admits it was wank.

Well he’s more honest than some of the deluded lot in this thread at least, gotta give him that.
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Exactly - some people are lining up to defend the performance when Ole himself can’t even do so, baffling. Actually not baffling really, considering who we are talking about here!
 
Gazza said:
Exactly - some people are lining up to defend the performance when Ole himself can’t even do so, baffling. Actually not baffling really, considering who we are talking about here!
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Ole said the same thing a lot of us are saying. "Not good enough, but happy with the three points and a clean sheet."
 
Skåre Willoch said:
Oh, I absolutely agree we should be challenging for the title. 8 games in, I think it's waaay to early to say we won't this season.

And those standards you mention, I'd say is "dropped standards". We used to think we should win the league and big prizes in general, you're only talking about being in contention.

I hate not winning. That's not what I'm talking about and you know it. "Standards have dropped" has become the go-to phrase every time someone don't want to sack a manager. And it annoys me. It's not about standards. It's about being realistic, and different beliefs. I don't think sacking Ole now makes us any better in the long term, and is not what we need right now. I honestly don't thin that's about standards at all, but about different beliefs.

"Stand by your manager", Sir Alex said. And ever since a lot of us fans we've been doing the exact opposite, every single time the teams lose a game. Heck, even after we win some are still jabbing. That's what's a drop in standards.
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OK, and if we don't challenge for the title this season, what should be the consequences? Or will we again say top 4 is good enough for us, going by how "3rd" keeps on getting mentioned here a some sort of achievement every time some one dares to open his mouth?

Beside it's not just winning the league really. As I said, paying the 18th team on your own home. This is basically a normal day in the office for any big team. Should be a fun 3 or 4 - 0 win for us that we don't even have to look back or think twice about it.

But for United this isn't a normal day in the office anymore. Every game is ridiculously hard for us to get points from even against some trash teams. Winning by big results for United isn't as common anymore that we now crazy celebrate it when it actually happens, like the RB game. Bayern in their group in CL also won a game 6-2 and I doubt their fans treated as anything aother than just normal routine. For united this isn't anymore. That's how standards have dropped.

I didn't say sack Ole now. I said several times I will just wait and see, but when we play in such boring way against one of the worst teams in the league and needed a pen retake to get the job done in what should have been a comfortable night, and when it is basically the 500th time this exact same routine from United in the last few years, yes we shouldn't be content with just that. When we have poor matches under Fergie we criticized them too, but now we are literally told by one poster here to be "fecking grateful to win at Old Trafford" really? And you are asking why we are saying standards have dropped.

SAF also wanted us to stick with Moyes, so what? I mean it's his opinion of course but we should have ours and anyway, the club has shown absolutely nothing about us having to stick with every manager since he retired. We sacked 3 managers already, you know.

Beside why should I stand with a manager when I think he won't take us to where we belong? Because top 4 isn't United's future target.
 
el3mel said:
OK, and if we don't challenge for the title this season, what should be the consequences? Or will we again say top 4 is good enough for us, going how "3rd" keeps on getting mentioned here a some sort of achievement every time some one dares to open his mouth?

Beside it's not just winning the league. As I said, paying the 18th team on your own home. This is basically a normal day in the office for any big team. Should be a fun 3 or 4 - 0 win for us that we don't even have to look back or think twice about it.

But for United this isn't a normal day in the office anymore. Every game is ridiculously hard for us to get points from even against some trash teams. Winning by big results for United isn't as common anymore that we now crazy celebrate it when it happens, like the RB game. Bayern in their group in CL also won a game 6-2 and I doubt their fans treated as anything aother than just normal routine. For united this isn't anymore. That's how standards have dropped.

I didn't say sack Ole now. I said several times I will just wait and see, but when we play in such boring way against one of the worst teams in the league and needed a pen retake to get the job in what should have been a comfortable night, and when it is basically the 500th time this exact same routine from United in the last few years, yes we shouldn't be content with just that. When we have poor matches under Fergie we criticized them too, but now we are literally told by one poster here to be "fecking grateful to win at Old Trafford" really? And you are asking why we are saying standards have dropped.

SAF also wanted us to stick with Moyes, so what? I mean it's his opinion of course but we should have ours and anyway, the club has shown absolutely nothing about us having to stick with every manager since he retired.

Beside why should I stand with a manager when I think he won't take us to where we belong? Because top 4 isn't United's future target.
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If we don't challenge for the title this season, we should of course take a long look at the manager, the coaching staff and the "director of football". But 8 games in is too early to say we won't challenge.

And again, the entitlement of "we should beat them 3 or 4-0 as every other big team". Spurs just beat them 1-0 last GW, Chelsea got away with 3-3 after being 3-0(!) down. Both those teams are talked about as major contenders this season.

Every season every big team lose a game or two against a bad team. Liverpool lost what... 3-0 to Watford last season? They won the league. Every season, every big team will scrape a few wins against lesser sides on bad days at the office. It's how it is, and how it's always been. I'm not happy with the performance itself, but I'm very, very, very happy with 3 points and a W. As I should. We won a game when we didn't look our best. As we should.
 
Gazza said:
Do you think the question posed in this thread depends only on the most recent result? A bit knee jerk, no?
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How about the previous result when we beat early league leaders 3-0?
Or a summation of the last 30 matches?
Or do you only look for the losses?
 
Gazza said:
Do you think the question posed in this thread depends only on the most recent result? A bit knee jerk, no?
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No of course not. There are people in this thread who have been adamant about sacking Ole since the day he arrived. It really doesn't have anything to do with results or performances at all.
 
Skåre Willoch said:
If we don't challenge for the title this season, we should of course take a long look at the manager, the coaching staff and the "director of football". But 8 games in is too early to say we won't challenge.

And again, the entitlement of "we should beat them 3 or 4-0 as every other big team". Spurs just beat them 1-0 last GW, Chelsea got away with 3-3 after being 3-0(!) down. Both those teams are talked about as major contenders this season.

Every season every big team lose a game or two against a bad team. Liverpool lost what... 3-0 to Watford last season? They won the league. Every season, every big team will scrape a few wins against lesser sides on bad days at the office. It's how it is, and how it's always been. I'm not happy with the performance itself, but I'm very, very, very happy with 3 points and a W. As I should. We won a game when we didn't look our best. As we should.
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There's no entitlement about it. This is the expectations from a club of Mega size like United, and Spurs aren't as big club as United at all in terms of expectations from them to even remotely compare them to us. I doubt Chelsea fans were happy after such game either.

It's fine to have a one day off but this is basically the story of every season for United you can't look at it this way as just a one day off. I have seen tonight's game 100 times since LVG days. We turn on casual, static and crap at home, then either it ends 0-0 or 1-0 borefest. This is nothing day, and not just "one day". When we are used to winning in such crap way or even not winning at all then we crazy celebrate it when we win 4 or 5 because we aren't used to suchc results anymore, you know standards and expectations from United have dropped massively.
 
sammsky1 said:
How about the previous result when we beat early league leaders 3-0?
Or a summation of the last 30 matches?
Or do you only look for the losses?
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Not sure what you’re on about here. What have I said about today’s game? If you want me overall opinion on Ole’s management then I probably could if you like, the main points have been covered by plenty of people on here already. I’m talking about you and your relationship with facts, and how you like to smear anyone with a different opinion to yours I’m the same way Trumpers call people unpatriotic and unAmerican if they criticize their country. You’re not as bad though because at least you can’t do major damage to a democracy
 
Skåre Willoch said:
No of course not. There are people in this thread who have been adamant about sacking Ole since the day he arrived. It really doesn't have anything to do with results or performances at all.
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Really? That’s horrible, certainly not fair if that’s the case. By all means call those people out. Don’t think that’s even close to the majority of people in this thread though, and there is certainly as much evidence to suggest Ole is not the man for us long term as there is evidence to say that he is.
 
I never thought I'd say this but I'd do anything we can to get Rodgers out of Leicester I think he would improve our season instantly
 
Anyone defending Ole is deluded, he's not the worst manager but he's certainly not big enough to excel at this club. That has always been the problem.
 
sammsky1 said:
How about the previous result when we beat early league leaders 3-0?
Or a summation of the last 30 matches?
Or do you only look for the losses?
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Your argument is pathetic when you don't even know the score in the previous game :wenger:
 
Gazza said:
Not sure what you’re on about here. What have I said about today’s game? If you want me overall opinion on Ole’s management then I probably could if you like, the main points have been covered by plenty of people on here already. I’m talking about you and your relationship with facts, and how you like to smear anyone with a different opinion to yours I’m the same way Trumpers call people unpatriotic and unAmerican if they criticize their country. You’re not as bad though because at least you can’t do major damage to a democracy
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I was responding to your post about knee jerks reactions.

Not sure what Trump has to do with any of that, no matter how hard you're trying to make some weird analogous connection. I'm not even American nor have much love for that country either!
Anyways, am done for the night, happy we won, Ole still @ the wheel !
 
standards being dropped seems to be hot topic

compare this lot to their predecessors

Shaw - Irwin, Evra
AWB/Valencia - Neville
Maguire/Jones/Bailly/Lindelof - Ferdinand, Stam, Vidic, Pallister, Bruce
Matic/Fred/Mct/Pogba - Keane, Butt, Scholes, Carrick, Ince
Mata - Ronaldo, Beckham, Kanchelskis
Rashford/James - Giggs, Sharpe
Martial - RVN, RVP, Cantona, Cole, Yorke


I think it’s fair to say standards were maintained for a long while through 90s-00s but have dropped significantly over last 10 yrs

pleased for the win though. Onwards and upwards
 
Gazza said:
Really? That’s horrible, certainly not fair if that’s the case. By all means call those people out. Don’t think that’s even close to the majority of people in this thread though, and there is certainly as much evidence to suggest Ole is not the man for us long term as there is evidence to say that he is.
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Never said it was the majority of people in this thread. I said some. But I can start by calling out @glazed and @Mainoldo , who both seem to be against Ole even when we're on record setting winning streaks. Maybe they weren't out from the day he arrived (which was an obvious exaggeration), but I don't think they'll turn around even if we win titles. And that goes for plenty more. Win or lose, Ole Out. All day. All night. You know it. I know it. I think it's sad, and it winds me up enough to argue in this trainwreck of a thread.
 
Tel074 said:
I never thought I'd say this but I'd do anything we can to get Rodgers out of Leicester I think he would improve our season instantly
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I will say Rodgers is a better manager than Ole but he is also knows for bottling. He bottled the title with Liverpool and bottled the top 4 last season. I would stay away from him.
 
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