Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Wilt]

Ole was perfect for SAF, knowing he could bench Ole for as he wanted without complaint. In the same way he’s perfect for Woodward, knowing he won’t kick up a fuss as he’s just happy to be there.

Reckon this is the underlying reason Woodward is reluctant to let Ole go. Any new manager will firstly want financial backing.

If Utd lose to Everton and Woodward doesn’t pull the trigger, it’ll be blatantly obvious it’s just all about money.

 

[red4ever 79]

I think his stratergy was good but the execution was poor. I.e he wanted a commanding british CB spends £80mil on Maguire when you could have got Dunk from Brighton for half the price.

I do think overall we have a better squad now than when he took over.

You can create arguments in different ways. Is Maguire better than what we had, or James?. Bruno, AWB and VDB improve us. Cavani is no better than Lukaku. Telles we havent seen enough of him We have stockpiled on CM's now and still not addressed the RW position.

Maguire is dreadful. I'm sorry to say. We were mugged for him

 

[Amir]

I don't think he'll be sacked any time soon but if/when he does I'm resigned to having the same conversations about the next guy a few months down the line.

Why?

 

[red4ever 79]

We literally just had one of our worst most haphazard transfer windows this summer.....

Some people seem to think it was a good transfer window. I personally think it was a disgrace.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

We literally just had one of our worst most haphazard transfer windows this summer.....

I'm talking about the players brought in. Of course the rest like negotiations and timing will still be shit

 

[peridigm]

Ole was perfect for SAF, knowing he could bench Ole for as he wanted without complaint. In the same way he’s perfect for Woodward, knowing he won’t kick up a fuss as he’s just happy to be there.

Reckon this is the underlying reason Woodward is reluctant to let Ole go. Any new manager will firstly want financial backing.

If Utd lose to Everton and Woodward doesn’t pull the trigger, it’ll be blatantly obvious it’s just all about money.

Your last point makes no sense. United in the second half of the table stands to lose more money than a United at the top of the table.

 

[Haddock]

Ole isn't a great manager by a long way, but he has improved the squad and given our club some measure of dignity back. Now it's time to respectfully part ways.

 

[elnorte]

I've come to the realisation that we may as well keep Ole indefinitely. There really is nothing to be gained by sacking him.

 

[Wilt]

Your last point makes no sense. United in the second half of the table stands to lose more money than a United at the top of the table.

Utd in the bottom half Utd is unthinkable, however the way things are going....

I’m saying Ed would gamble Ole could still get us out if this mess (very unlikely) without him having to splash out more money financing a new manager.

It’s money first with Woody & Co

 

[croadyman]

Utd in the bottom half Utd is unthinkable, however the way things are going....

I’m saying Woody would gamble Ole could still get us out if this mess (very unlikely) without him having to splash out more money financing a new manager.

It’s money first with Woody & Co

Yeah very strong possibility of Woody taking that gamble because like you say the clown is all about saving money whatever the consequences

 

[Robbie Boy]

Looking at a few press releases over the last couple of days i would say its not if its when. My opinion of course.

I felt like this a-few weeks ago but now, I would be shocked if we sack him before Christmas. I think the Board will accept mismatch results once we don't lose the majority of our games. He seems safer than LvG and Jose for some strange reason despite having a similar record to both when they were sacked.

 

[croadyman]

I felt like this a-few weeks ago but now, I would be shocked if we sack him before Christmas. I think the Board will accept mismatch results once we don't lose the majority of our games. He seems safer than LvG and Jose for some strange reason despite having a similar record to both when they were sacked.

He seems safer because Woody knows this is gonna be a much tougher sacking to make than those two and get the impression he won't do it for a while

 

[Robbie Boy]

Watch the narrative on here change if the poll swings to wanting him gone after the Everton game. So far it's been: "The Caf is full of intelligent posters who 'get it' and know he's the right man. It's the clueless idiots in the minority on here that want him gone".

If the poll swings to wanting him out, it'll be: "Everyone is a clueless idoit on here and outside of the Caf, everyone wants to keep him". There'll be something sanctimonious thrown in about match going fans supporting him too. Despite the awkward fact about match going fans at the moment.

 

[passing-wind]

One thing I'm concerned about Ole being sacked is our recruitment. He's transfer hasnt been perfect but much better than our previous managers. If he goes will that go with him? I think if we get a modern progressive manager the recruitment will still be good

The only way to rectify this is to implement a DOF.

 

[peridigm]

Utd in the bottom half Utd is unthinkable, however the way things are going....

I’m saying Ed would gamble Ole could still get us out if this mess (very unlikely) without him having to splash out more money financing a new manager.

It’s money first with Woody & Co

I thought you were elluding to the lack of transfers because Ole does not kick up a fuss.
I don't think the owners and Woodward are dumb enough to think keeping Ole saves them money because they don't have to pay him off. I'd bet Ole bent over when signing his contract. There is probably very little payoff required if he is sacked due to performance milestones.

 

[DixieDean]

I've come to the realisation that we may as well keep Ole indefinitely. There really is nothing to be gained by sacking him.

Well, nothing to be gained except for, you know, actually getting a good coach in.

I say this fully aware that Utd are nailed on to win tomorrow.

 

[Spark]

Utd in the bottom half Utd is unthinkable, however the way things are going....

I’m saying Ed would gamble Ole could still get us out if this mess (very unlikely) without him having to splash out more money financing a new manager.

It’s money first with Woody & Co

Exactly this. Pochettino had a £50m release clause when we decided to give it to Ole full time. Absolutely no chance was anyone at United going to sign that off, when they had a bargain bucket yes man with the bonus of being a United legend at the helm.

In fact, it was giving it to Ole full time after that international break for absolutely no reason that shows how out of touch and inexperienced the decision makers at United are when it comes to footballing decisions.

 

[TheDoc]

Maguire, AWB and James haven't been good value for money tbh.

I don't get this narrative at all. Our defense isn't bad, or even mediocre, it's top-notch and the numbers prove this. Except some major blunders at crucial moments, in games we would have won anyways mind you had our offense actually offended anything except everyone watching the game, we've been the most solid team defensively in the league. Granted, AWB isn't the best crosser but he's probably among the best defensive full backs in the world, and everything else offensively he does a decent job at as well. Maguire isn't the fastest, but he's good on the ball, has a commanding physical presence, dominates our air space (his headers are awful though if he could hit the goal we'd have eight-ten more goals since he arrived) and makes up for his mediocre pace with excellent positioning.

As for James... Well he was cheap.

There's a lot of things that need improving in this team, but almost all of it takes place in that final third of the pitch. Looking back at our defense, there aren't many better. Even Shaw, yes Shaw, I'm repeating "Shaw" once more here, and Lindelöf, usually puts in good performances even on a bad day. The reason they get so much stick, despite us being statistically among the best there are in this department, is because those few goals we do concede makes such a huge difference due to us not scoring enough. They stick out because they usually end up losing us points, but that's not because we we let in a lot of goals it's because we don't score enough to make up for them.

Guess what: No defense will have a perfect record, but ours does enough and then some for us to be able to win most matches. It's probably the one area we should be proud of.

 

[elnorte]

Well, nothing to be gained except for, you know, actually getting a good coach in.

I say this fully aware that Utd are nailed on to win tomorrow.

We'll still be inevitably shite either way. Just look at the future use of signings thread.

Denial

Anger

Acceptance

 

[patty123]

In fact, it was giving it to Ole full time after that international break for absolutely no reason that shows how out of touch and inexperienced the decision makers at United are when it comes to footballing decisions.

I think you might be a bit late to the party or never got the memo, as that has been clear as day since 2013 pal.

 

[NJM78]

After listening to another presser from Ole, I really just can't wait for him to be gone.

 

[croadyman]

After listening to another presser from Ole, I really just can't wait for him to be gone.

The best thing since sliced bread after the Leipzig game,where on earth is he getting that from

 

[Amir]

I've come to the realisation that we may as well keep Ole indefinitely. There really is nothing to be gained by sacking him.

The team has. The board? Probably not as much. They are fine as long as enough supporters buy into the whole romantic Solskjaer thing. Basically, he's covering their bums since they have no idea what to do in order to improve things.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I love this juxtaposition of oppo fans saying OGS isn’t good enough and back it up with stats to say why, then you have the actual fans saying otherwise based on intangibles (happening on other forums I frequent rather than necessarily here)

This is I imagine what it must have been like to be a Chelsea fan during their Di Matteo era.

 

[NJM78]

The best thing since sliced bread after the Leipzig game,where on earth is he getting that from

I know!

Also the covid excuse and having the nerve to say the Arsenal game was close really made me laugh.

 

[patty123]

Is this the stick you want to use? How many of those 6 teams where teams That ever had a chance of winning their league. The man also hardly stays in teams for enough time. A year and he's gone. Let's not undermine what he's done for Leeds just because you don't like the hype he's getting

There's more than a league on offer so that's no excuse you can use, as teams like Lazio, Lille,
Marseille, Athletic Bilbao are hardly on ther level of salford, stevenage, portsmouths the former fa cup winners.

As for leaving, that's on him, while AB sacked him, he did a Jose at the others.


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[Enigma_87]

They haven't. I edited the post after rereading and having some flashes. Ole's recruitment could definitely have been better but he had us in a much better place for the first time since Fergie.

How do you reckon? I don't think AWB, Maguire, James for example hold the same value compared to Lukaku and Pogba.

His buys are pretty much in line with what we have seen with previous managers.

 

[croadyman]

I know!

Also the covid excuse and having the nerve to say the Arsenal game was close really made me laugh.

I knew the covid thing would come out after it was used by the club during the transfer window

 

[Robbie Boy]

After listening to another presser from Ole, I really just can't wait for him to be gone.

Was it bad?

 

[Teja]

Okay after persisting through the entirety of last year, I finally changed my vote to sack. I'm not as against Ole as some of the posters here but despite two transfer windows, and a fairly injury free year, we still can't seem to break down a simple low block. That just doesn't cut it for me.

Last year there were excuses because Pogba, Martial and Rashford were out for long stretches and Bruno did not join until Jan. It's understandable if your attacking play is shit when Pereira and Lingard were your #10s.

Okay, so we're a good counter attacking unit and got some results against the top 6 and in Europe, but we knew this was his strength a year and half ago. He hasn't really shown any improvements as a manager beyond that, the press is still kind of inconsistent, subs are sometimes good and sometimes shit, nothing in terms of open attacking play (overloading the left half space is the only thing we do consistently but that doesn't even result in any real threat most of the time).

Move on and get Poch in.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

There's more than a league on offer so that's no excuse you can use, as teams like Lazio, Lille,
Marseille, Athletic Bilbao are hardly on ther level of salford, stevenage, portsmouths the former fa cup winners.

As for leaving, that's on him, while AB sacked him, he did a Jose at the others.


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I'm not going to keep talking about Bielsa in this thread but if you were expecting him to win the league with those clubs especially within the time frame he stayed there(mostly a year) then I have nothing to say again. You just keep dreaming

 

[devilish]

Maguire, AWB and James haven't been good value for money tbh.

Some tend to mix between popular signings and effective signings. Ole's signings the summer before last were the former not the latter.

 

[Enigma_87]

Some tend to mix between popular signings and effective signings. Ole's signings the summer before last were the former not the latter.

To me Maguire was Jose type of signing and the reason why he wanted him. Doesn't make sense to use him in a high line. This season is a good indication - we're susceptible to counters especially with Maguire and Matic holding and both of our full backs attacking. A simple ball over the top slices open our whole defensive line.

 

[pass.pass.pass]

Was it bad?

Among other things, he basically indicted himself with this: "Sometimes when you do well you maybe drop your guard and think you have cracked it. I’m looking forward to the response tomorrow afternoon."

He was talking about the players letting their guard down. It's the manager's job to get them up for every game. In addition to the only style (counter-attacking) that we know how to play, this explains a lot about why we are bad against teams we expect to beat. This has been going on for more than a year now.

Also this: "I don’t look at one or two results and fall like a house of cards, it’s a setback, definitely, there’s been too much made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea, there’ve been nothing in those games and it’s not long ago we were the best thing since sliced bread against Leipzig and PSG."

Too much has been made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea? Ole, we never looked like scoring, we could have played those games for 10 hours each and we wouldn't have. Increasingly, his delusion reminds me of LvG's process shtick.

 

[devilish]

To me Maguire was Jose type of signing and the reason why he wanted him. Doesn't make sense to use him in a high line. This season is a good indication - we're susceptible to counters especially with Maguire and Matic holding and both of our full backs attacking. A simple ball over the top slices open our whole defensive line.

Mou was certainly interested in the guy but I very much doubt that United would spend 80m , in cash, on 1 player without Ole's consent. I agree though that Maguire at United doesn't make sense. Teams tend to defend deep against us which means that we have to take risks and commit players forward. Having a CB whose as fast as GOT old nan doesn't really make sense.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

He seems safer because Woody knows this is gonna be a much tougher sacking to make than those two and get the impression he won't do it for a while

Something tells me this is the main reason we've heard only rumours about a DoF surfacing now and then but nothing concrete. Of course, it will look like we have a DoF but, in reality, it will be just another ex-legend that will be appointed to "make sure that the true values of the club are well respected and upheld" blah blah blah but with no real authority as to how much we spend and on which players. Just an advisor to the manager and someone who will keep the pundits (other ex-legends mostly) silent.

I love this juxtaposition of oppo fans saying OGS isn’t good enough and back it up with stats to say why, then you have the actual fans saying otherwise based on intangibles (happening on other forums I frequent rather than necessarily here)

This is I imagine what it must have been like to be a Chelsea fan during their Di Matteo era.

One of the most surreal things i watched on YT about a month ago (or maybe start of the season) was True Geordie discussing with the rest on Kick Off channel that what the fans of all the other clubs want is for Solskjaer to be winning just enough matches throughout the season so that, knowing Woodward, his eventual sacking will be prolonged for as long as possible. And the Chelsea and the Arsenal guy were nodding and saying that only United fans can see an actual future with Solskjaer at the helm. I was like... is it so bad that they are actually rubbing it in our faces? I'm not sure and i can't speak for them but i doubt Chelsea fans ever romanticized about their 2005-2015 era to the point where they see Lampard/di Matteo as some kind of saviour. But they know their club is much better run than ours and they've already witnessed their mini version of Fergie in terms of success (Mourinho) getting sacked twice and the club moving forward despite its managers leaving after having won stuff. One of the main reasons people like to romanticize about the past is because the future looks bleak which is the case with us and it had been for the scousers too.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Among other things, he basically indicted himself with this: "Sometimes when you do well you maybe drop your guard and think you have cracked it. I’m looking forward to the response tomorrow afternoon."

He was talking about the players letting their guard down. It's the manager's job to get them up for every game. In addition to the only style (counter-attacking) that we know how to play, this explains a lot about why we are bad against teams we expect to beat. This has been going on for more than a year now.

Also this: "I don’t look at one or two results and fall like a house of cards, it’s a setback, definitely, there’s been too much made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea, there’ve been nothing in those games and it’s not long ago we were the best thing since sliced bread against Leipzig and PSG."

Too much has been made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea? Ole, we never looked like scoring, we could have played those games for 10 hours each and we wouldn't have. Increasingly, his delusion reminds me of LvG's process shtick.

Cheers bud

Yeah, not really comments that inspire confidence at all. Hope this all ends soon.

 

[Intheflatfield]

We are a laughing stock and it cheeses me right off.

 

[bond19821982]

I think his stratergy was good but the execution was poor. I.e he wanted a commanding british CB spends £80mil on Maguire when you could have got Dunk from Brighton for half the price.

I do think overall we have a better squad now than when he took over.

Well, he spent 250m for a start. On an alternate world, we could have had the British Spine with Dunk,Aarons for 80m tops and used the rest of the money for Sancho.

Sad to say but his signings has been terrible and not value for money.

 

[Greck]

Also this: "I don’t look at one or two results and fall like a house of cards, it’s a setback, definitely, there’s been too much made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea, there’ve been nothing in those games and it’s not long ago we were the best thing since sliced bread against Leipzig and PSG."

Too much has been made of not scoring against Arsenal and Chelsea? Ole, we never looked like scoring, we could have played those games for 10 hours each and we wouldn't have. Increasingly, his delusion reminds me of LvG's process shtick.

He really loves reminding everyone that result . Probably also had a plaque made to put with his CL medal