Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Tony247]

Ole is inexperienced coach at this level, what makes matters worse is his team of McKenna and Carrick are even more inexperienced as first team coaches. This was catastrophe waiting to happen.

 

[Marcus]

Ole is inexperienced coach at this level, what makes matters worse is his team of McKenna and Carrick are even more inexperienced as first team coaches. This was catastrophe waiting to happen.

I think the whole coaching staff, including Ole, give me Assistant Manager vibes. We need a real leader to be in the hot seat. Which also gives me pause when it comes to Poch. I am not sure he had the charisma to lead United. We kind of need a larger than life personality. More a Trump than a Biden (sort of).

 

[TheDoc]

We are first in the Champions League group, but we've had a horrible start to the Premier League season. And it's clear, it's because we dropped tools during several of those games. Against Crystal Palace, Tottenham, Arsenal and now against Istanbul, our problems weren't on the bench they were on the pitch. It was clear for all to see that too many of our players didn't bother showing up at all, making mistakes you'd expect toddlers to avoid and showing no hunger towards winning whatsoever and not a shred of urgency even when falling stupidly behind.

Now Solskjær and the coaches are not without fault in this, they pick the teams it's their job to set the bar and if they don't bring the hammer down and fix what's obviously a huge motivational issue within the group then I agree they're not fit to lead Manchester United Football Club. May sound harsh but truth is, that's not what I show up every match day to see at all, a bunch of indifferent players just half-arsing it goofing around with a ball, so if that's the best they can offer then sorry but I'm not interested I'd rather be doing something else.

However we know they're not playing to their full potential in these games, far from it we've seen them at their best this season and it's absolutely beautiful, which makes it even more frustrating watching them they're clearly not invested, so we know this can change if they just get their heads screwed on straight. If they haven't by New Year's, I agree it should be bye-bye Ole company, but until then I think it's premature.

This is a fixable problem, not one that requires a regime change. Not yet anyways. All they need is for someone to get them off their arses and make an effort.

 

[Bobcat]

I really wasn't that into Sancho deal as much as many here. Said several times in his thread it would be fine to get him but it won't be a disaster at all to miss on him. The problem was that we didn't have any plan B after Sancho for the right winger and considering Woodward knows nothing about football, you'll think it's the manager's responsibility to offer alternatives in case we fail to get a 120m player ?

As for Grealish, I honestly don't know when he would have played considering VDB is currently struggling to game minutes off the bench and I think VDB was the direct alternative for him. Paying 80m for a player in a position you might not need that reinforcement in is a little bit of a stretch, you think ?

If we had went for Grealish he could have played LW in 4231, LCM in a 433 or even AM and except the last one he would be a direct upgrade on whoever else was playing there

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Yeah but he had to hand out 55 million on transfers, and you never answered my question, so here it is again, try to answer this time rather then repeat yourself, if his style is so great, why did it take 18 yrs, 6 teams later after he left his home country to win something and spending a hell of a lot for a division 2 team like dirty leeds ?

Is this the stick you want to use? How many of those 6 teams where teams That ever had a chance of winning their league. The man also hardly stays in teams for enough time. A year and he's gone. Let's not undermine what he's done for Leeds just because you don't like the hype he's getting

 

[LUC1f3R]

Please understand that we are calling for sacking of Ole not because of recent results. It's because we can't find any improvement in United's game. After over 100 games in charge, there is very little to report on in terms of progression, with far more confusion over selection, formation, and style of play.

I don't find any identity in the way United play. Sure, against teams that attack we hit them on the counter. But against teams that sit deep, it's the same. We can't penetrate the defense and there is too much side passing. Same story with Pogba and Matic, both sits on the ball too much and by the time they decide to pass opponents had already regained the shape. Our full backs go all the way to the opponent wing and then pass back instead of crossing (AWB for all his defensive abilities, can't even manage to put in a decent cross).
Since our forwards don't offer much aerial threat (weak against strong opponent defenders) only option is to find good ground pass. But our Midfielders can't find formers or misplaces their passes (too many of it in last 2 games). Moreover, forwards don't make much runs dragging opponent defenders and in the few case they do our MF don't notice the same.
All this should have been practiced/ noted in game and adjustment should have been made and that's the failure of Ole.

And for those people who say Ole has not been backed, that's not the case. United did spend on players he asked except for Sancho. That can be attributed to the pandemic situation affecting our spending power. Though I agree, we should have tried for cheaper alternatives way earlier rather than panic buys at the end. Even with all the spending, whenever I watch the match, I still get the feeling that we will concede whenever opponents attack or they put in a decent cross. I don't call that as an improvement.
I feel the board was too soon to appoint Ole as permanent manager owing to PSG win and should have waited till season ended. Even during tail end of last season, if we look closely, opponents were able to read our game much efficiently and it's the individual brilliance of players that got us through. I repeat, Ole is not the man for the job. Sure, he got few tactics right. But its even opponent manage to break those, he can't seem to come up with counter-tactics (he takes time and make changes in the next game only whereas a good coach makes decision in the game itself).

I do believe that we might win against Everton and Ole will be given more time and history will repeat. If Manchester united has to make a decision on replacing Ole, now is the time. We have a 2 week break after Everton and that's the most any new Manager will get to implement his ideas in this hefty schedule.

 

[croadyman]

Just when I thought there was some light at the end of the tunnel there's all these articles making these ridiculous excuses for Ole again. I really did hope that for once the club would be proactive, but I'm almost sure they're going to dither on this, and sack Ole when the season is already beyond salvaging, and thus waste another year of everyone's time.

Yeah as I said last night I think they won't have the heart to sack him until qualification to the champions league has been shut off totally

 

[croadyman]

Do they not think, "we've been here before". From this point there's generally at least another few months before they actually bite the bullet.

Honestly, even if Ole steadies the ship it's not enough. We should be making progress this season. All this crap shouldn't have been happening at all this year, yet here we are. No progress and still the same flimsy proposition as we have been the last few years, though we've spent a tonne of money and signed Cavani and Telles for about £10m combined as part of that.

Just put us and Ole out of our misery. You can see on his face after games that he's expecting the chop any day now.

Yeah vote of confidence reports are usually around 6-8 weeks before a manager gets sacked

 

[Member 117152]

It's criminal we haven't signed one proper first team player going into this season. It's even more criminal that happened after a fairly successful season.

We'll never really know for sure whose fault that is. We stood still while others around us improved their first 11.

The thing is we did play great at time in the second half of last season. It’s a damning inditement of our coaches preparation we came into this season so poor.

The manager has definitely been backed. Our fans saying he hasn’t are in cloud cuckoo land with have short memories.

We have a good squad that needs a few tweaks. When your losing to Palace and mid-table teams from Turkey it’s the coaching here not Woodward and the other clowns at our club.

Manager is blatantly not good enough for us too.

 

[MacarisSocks]

We may get a good result at some point and we'll be fooled into thinking we're finding form but deep down we know it will be another false dawn. It's always 1 step forward 2 steps back. 2 years in and we can't press, can't pass and can't create chances against a low block, I just can't see us going anywhere.

I think this is where the majority of fans are now, the quality in this tream is always capeable of a Newcastle, PSG or Leipzig result but that's only when the oppositions style of play suits us.

I think we're also aware there's an Arsenal performance etc etc around any corner and unfortunately that also seems to include the players.

 

[OrcaFat]

Players and staff are believed to now be substituting the word “Poch” for many everyday words in conversation (including “yes”, “no” and “boss”).

 

[Widow]

hence why they had a treasure chest and ”transfers in the bag” this Summer unlike no other club.

And they planned and executed their transfer strategy better than us!

Surly you don't have to be in a embargo to be organised in the market

 

[Adisa]

Absolutely no one at the club should be in their respective jobs. It's a mess and I am tired.
A lot of times I wish I could delete the club from memory. It's mentally draining.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Absolutely no one at the club should be in their respective jobs. It's a mess and I am tired.
A lot of times I wish I could delete the club from memory. It's mentally draining.

Are you still keen on Poch coming in? Or do you think we should go for someone else?

 

[Adisa]

Are you still keen on Poch coming in? Or do you think we should go for someone else?

Pochettino is still the best option but I have lost faith. I feel like we are cursed.

 

[Slysi17]

I'm not saying that we lost to Arsenal and Istanbul because of fatigue. But it definitely affected us versus Tottenham and Palace. That plays a big part, particularly when we have so few data points(6 measly PL games)



I don't think I'm positive, but rather pragmatic/realistic. I'm not satisfied with the season so far, but I also find it ludicrous to fire someone after 6-7 league games. Especially when we've done well in the CL and were visibly fatigued for the 3 first PL games. If that counts as "blind positivity" these days, then this is officially the most depressing forum I've seen.

Job is too big for him and we are sinking. Time to move him on. I supported him and wanted it to work out but recently realized he isn't good enough. It's 2 years and I have no clue what he is trying to do. It's like you think people who want Ole to be moved on are being disrespectful or something.

 

[pocco]

No wonder he is down. Nothing seems to be working. I think Ole should have got a top class coach.

The problem is, the real top class coaches would probably feel that they could do a better job than Ole. Would they be interested in working under him? He has some standing in management above the likes of Carrick and McKenna, but that is about it.

 

[hurricane thunderclap]

Job is too big for him and we are sinking. Time to move him on. I supported him and wanted it to work out but recently realized he isn't good enough. It's 2 years and I have no clue what he is trying to do. It's like you think people who want Ole to be moved on are being disrespectful or something.

Look at the money spent . Look at the actual results. Look at what we have won and look where we are in the table. You watch how we play and who does what well.
If you are happy then Ole should stay.

 

[Mainoldo]

I changed my vote to “out” however it’s clearly a bigger problem than Ole.

we have...

Owners that do not care about the club, who saddle us with Debt and use the club purely to line their pockets. Zero ambition for football related matters.

Woody, how many shambolic windows do we have to have to realise he hasn’t got a clue? Another non footballing executive who doesn’t know what he is doing.

Players who mostly do not care about the club or who are simply not good enough. We have a number players who think they are better than they actually are.

Ole, club legend always but he is inexperienced and doesn’t seem to have an idea on how he wants the team to play while at the same time struggling to fit a disjointed team onto the pitch.

Facilities, our stadium and training facilities are quite far behind some of our rivals who have invested far more in their infrastructure over the past few years.

All of these things combined produces the absolute shambles of a football club that we currently are. Sacking Ole will not fix this, it may be a step forward but only if we are prepared to look at the other areas of the club, we clearly are not going to change they way we operate.

By no way a real issue. The only reason players of past care for the club like they do is because they associate us with winning. So it’s a simple process to fix. Well if winning because simple. Do you really believe the City foreign imports cared for City to perform for them?

 

[markhughes]

By no way a real issue. The only reason players of past care for the club like they do is because they associate us with winning. So it’s a simple process to fix. Well if winning because simple. Do you really believe the City foreign imports cared for City to perform for them?

Well that isn’t strictly true, when you have been brought up in the area and played for the youth teams then you of course are going to care more about that club. The players that did not come through that academy you could apply that too however based on the attitude out on the pitch currently you’d have to say that the current crop is at least lacking in determination.

Also we have several players who are just not as good as they think seem to think they are, IMO a full reboot is needed but we won’t have that unless we sell the club.We have had world class managers over the last 7 years who were unable to turn the ship around, there is no reason to think that just changing the manager will result in anything other than what we have seen over and over since Fergie left.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

With all the news coming out that the club is still behind Ole I don't see Ed taking the risk of waiting long for Pochettino who could be gone to PSG

 

[man united 4eva]

The question for me is.. Would another top club in Europe, let alone the Premier League have even considered employing Ole as their manager/head coach ?

 

[Raw]

The question for me is.. Would another top club in Europe, let alone the Premier League have even considered employing Ole as their manager/head coach ?

No not really, they wouldn't consider Lampard or Arteta either. Though I'd say the midtable/relegation teams in the PL would favour Lampard and maybe Arteta due to their experience in the English game.

 

[Mick1]

I never got the rhetoric that has been going around since Ole s appointment that given enough time, he'll do a Fergie.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I wish this false narrative just stopped that "people want him gone because of this season". People are judging his tenure holistically, instead of cherry picking a sample size that suits, and it hasn't been good enough. I'll wait until after the Everton game if we lose to change my vote. But it's plain as day that he's not good enough.

I feel he'll pull a result out against Everton because that's what he does. He pulls out a result when the heat is on and prolongs the inevitable. We're in a terrible cycle with him.

 

[Giggsyking]

Those posts of "lets wait and see in Christmas" is fecking disgusting, this is the very definition of mediocrity. If we ignore the table and do not use it as a proof of Ole's managerial shortcomings, just take a look at our preformances. Apart from 2 games against psg and RB we were shite.

 

[Fosu-Mens]

The question for me is.. Would another top club in Europe, let alone the Premier League have even considered employing Ole as their manager/head coach ?

If he had the history Lampard had at Chelsea, then Chelsea.

Arteta must have shown some level of understanding and ability to coach cohesion and a system when talking with Arsenal, no chance they would have employed him if not.

All other top clubs would go for someone established or someone progressive with clear signs of being able to coach a team to play cohesive football (passing, pressing, defending etc). The problem is that the people at the top of our club do not understand football, so they cannot make a difference between coaches that relies solely on individuality and having good players relative to their opposition (OGS at Molde) and someone that would be relevant in the current footballing climate.

 

[K Stand Knut]

I'm staying in. I had been out after that Burnley game but Ole won me back after the great ending to last season. I'm going to stay a bit patient and see how he does until Christmas. But i've got no beef with the Ole outers. Right now we're still early days in the league, a game in hand, and we're still very likely to progress in the UCL.

This is exactly my plight so far.

If he sees Christmas though, I’d be shocked.

I think he’ll either be gone by Monday or the week of the city game in December.

I don’t see how he stays longer than this weekend without a win

 

[pocco]

I wish this false narrative just stopped that "people want him gone because of this season". People are judging his tenure holistically, instead of cherry picking a sample size that suits, and it hasn't been good enough. I'll wait until after the Everton game if we lose to change my vote. But it's plain as day that he's not good enough.

I feel he'll pull a result out against Everton because that's what he does. He pulls out a result when the heat is on and prolongs the inevitable. We're in a terrible cycle with him.

It is because we don't seem to be getting anywhere. The thing is, this season the bar should be raised. It's not about just getting top 4 by any means necessary. We should be expecting more and seeing tangible progress in our football. I think now the bar is raised, he will simply fall short. He already is. It's just a question of how long we let this go.

 

[Shark]

Those posts of "lets wait and see in Christmas" is fecking disgusting, this is the very definition of mediocrity. If we ignore the table and do not use it as a proof of Ole's managerial shortcomings, just take a look at our preformances. Apart from 2 games against psg and RB we were shite.

These will be the same posters that are mortified by posts that wish the club to lose games. I definitely agree that's bad but on the other hand they want us to suffer even further because they can't accept OGS is not working out. We can blame Woodward all we want for failing managers being here or far too long but there's sections of the fan base clearly causing that also.

 

[Eplel]

No matter how bad our recruitment is, our team is still much higher quality than most teams in PL, and we somehow play worse than pretty much everyone. The "not backed" excuse is good for not challenging for the title. Ole is massively out of his depth here and there is literally no reason to stay with him any longer. It's not turning around.

 

[Robbie Boy]

It is because we don't seem to be getting anywhere. The thing is, this season the bar should be raised. It's not about just getting top 4 by any means necessary. We should be expecting more and seeing tangible progress in our football. I think now the bar is raised, he will simply fall short. He already is. It's just a question of how long we let this go.

I agree 100% that the bar should be raised. What he done last season, in the end, was decent enough. However, we were still far too streaky if you look at the season holistically. I backed him coming into this season, under the pretence that we finally find a clear identifiable playing style that is consistent. That was amongst other criteria.

He's pretty much failed on every aspect, where I wanted to see improvements. We are still playing like total amateurs at times and it's clear that we are poorly coached. We can play one way and one way only, no matter what tactic he deploys. I don't want a manager who's too rigid with his tactics and I want a manager that's able to adapt when needed. But we don't have any discernible playing style. I admire that he tries to switch it up, but the best managers these days simply don't do that. They have a core system in place that even when slightly deviated away from, the principles remain. Most top managers these days have their playing style implemented across all of the underage teams too.

We're absolutely miles behind the elite. The jealousy I have while watching the likes of Liverpool and Bayern is unreal. These teams play with a modern playing style and it's genuinely exciting and entertaining. Scoring a load past a rubbish Newcastle side while labouring for 70 minutes isn't enjoyable. I enjoyed the Leipzig game. The PSG game was good to an extent but proper underdog stuff. It's saddening how far we've fallen and keeping Ole is prolonging that. He's seen as an absolute joke to anyone outside of our fanbase.

 

[Leftback99]

I don't think he'll be sacked any time soon but if/when he does I'm resigned to having the same conversations about the next guy a few months down the line.

 

[Mainoldo]

Well that isn’t strictly true, when you have been brought up in the area and played for the youth teams then you of course are going to care more about that club. The players that did not come through that academy you could apply that too however based on the attitude out on the pitch currently you’d have to say that the current crop is at least lacking in determination.

Also we have several players who are just not as good as they think seem to think they are, IMO a full reboot is needed but we won’t have that unless we sell the club.We have had world class managers over the last 7 years who were unable to turn the ship around, there is no reason to think that just changing the manager will result in anything other than what we have seen over and over since Fergie left.

Again. What does this all mean? It would need a case study to see if effort is directly correlated to caring. Then if it is.. we would need to see if caring is directly correlated to coming through a club academy..

To be honest I think we would find zero correlation.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

One thing I'm concerned about Ole being sacked is our recruitment. He's transfer hasnt been perfect but much better than our previous managers. If he goes will that go with him? I think if we get a modern progressive manager the recruitment will still be good

 

[FootyGirl88]

One thing I'm concerned about Ole being sacked is our recruitment. He's transfer have been much better than our previous managers. If he goes will that go with him? We have no DoF so I assume so

Maguire, AWB and James haven't been good value for money tbh.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Maguire, AWB and James haven't been good value for money tbh.

They haven't. I edited the post after rereading and having some flashes. Ole's recruitment could definitely have been better but he had us in a much better place for the first time since Fergie.

 

[Cantona in disguise]

I don't think he'll be sacked any time soon but if/when he does I'm resigned to having the same conversations about the next guy a few months down the line.

Looking at a few press releases over the last couple of days i would say its not if its when. My opinion of course.

 

[FootyGirl88]

They haven't. I edited the post after rereading and having some flashes. Ole's recruitment could definitely have been better but he had us in a much better place for the first time since Fergie.

I think his stratergy was good but the execution was poor. I.e he wanted a commanding british CB spends £80mil on Maguire when you could have got Dunk from Brighton for half the price.

I do think overall we have a better squad now than when he took over.

 

[laughtersassassin]

One thing I'm concerned about Ole being sacked is our recruitment. He's transfer hasnt been perfect but much better than our previous managers. If he goes will that go with him? I think if we get a modern progressive manager the recruitment will still be good

We literally just had one of our worst most haphazard transfer windows this summer.....