We have talent in our squad but we still look unorganized when we press. Our defensive shape isn’t good. We’re still unbalanced. Let’s hope he can find someone who can help him coach because he needs it.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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As i predicted yesterday, a win against the mighty Newcastle and they'd be out giving the big one to people. It's like dealing with Trump supporters, there's nothing beyond blind support.
It really is. Look at @meamth acting like he's Billy Big Bollocks.
Good win today, but we'll have harder tests to come in the next few weeks. Ole needs to start VDB next game.
Absolutely. Great post
Never quite got the ignore function, I mean I know why it exists but never felt the need to use it. It's a forum with football opinions, whatever
This thread should have been locked months ago. Its a stain on the forum
Despite the win I'm not going to change my opinion. We are at the level that Rodgers was at Liverpool, the team was ready to make the next step and Liverpool went and sacked Rodgers and brought Klopp in.
We need to do the same to move forward
We need to do the same to move forward
Really ? Without ignore function this forum would have been unbearable to post in. I have more than 120 posters on the ignore. Sure some of them were because of direct personal insults, anyone who directly insulted me I put immediately on the ignore after reporting him, but there're also many whom I ignored just because their football opinions and way of talking are simply annoying, even if we have never interacted.
Ole Outers after we lose to a low block: Ole out as his tactics can't break down a low block
Ole Outers after we win against a low block: It was only Newcastle
FFS! this was a game which we should have struggled in as Ole 'struggles' against deep defences. We managed 14 shots on target! Most we've managed in a game in last 5 seasons
Ole Outers after we win against a low block: It was only Newcastle
FFS! this was a game which we should have struggled in as Ole 'struggles' against deep defences. We managed 14 shots on target! Most we've managed in a game in last 5 seasons
Agree totally. I have serious reservations and doubts that he's a top level coach but he's left a very good squad for the next manager to work with. Once Rojo, Jones and a-few others are shifted, then we'll have gotten rid of pretty much all of the perceived 'deadwood'.
That's fair enough. Yeah not sure why I've never really used it, guess even the worst posters in this place over the years I've gotten some comedic value from at times
It's for the softies who wants to win an argument.
Ole hasn't struggled against any type of team since end of lockdown.
We suffered some arbitrary losses at start of this season because of a clusterfcuk of uncontrollable circumstances, but that has been exploited to suit personal agenda's to get our manager sacked.
We got trashed 8-2 against Arsenal? What the feck are you on about?
If it wasn't blind support they'd be debate. Instead it's relentless calls for blind backing and top red nonsense against any criticism.
I swear about 5% of posts on here right now for weeks are some variation of accusing people of only being happy when we lose. That's just a mental position but it's also boring drivel that no one else wants to read.
The sensible people have taken on board the variety of positives and negatives and had their opinions swayed over time one way and back. Some instead declare support of a manager as if it's a badge of honour, it was the same under previous managers.
Happy for Ole and the lads today, and even happier with the confidence boosting gloss at the end.
A poor start to the season but this win keeps us in touch of everyone else dropping points early doors.
He has it all to prove still in my opinion. We need consistency, and I hope the changes today are the first step toward finding it.
I think it’s bizarre that some believe you can’t worry about the manager while giving the team your full support. It’s really baffling and doesn’t make any sense.
I had a really long week and really enjoyed the win today. I didn’t enjoy it any less than those who weren’t concerned after the Spurs games. Anyone sane would have been a little worried, and anyone sane would be relieved and content today!
Any extreme viewpoint just isn’t being objective. Whether you think Ole has the capacity to coach such a massive club or not, too many people are getting lost trying to be right and both extremes aren’t any good for the forum.
If you can’t have a calm discussion or debate about it, you probably shouldn’t bother coming here after a heavy loss, or a great win. Both extremes are as bad as each other and are extremely annoying to read.
A poor start to the season but this win keeps us in touch of everyone else dropping points early doors.
He has it all to prove still in my opinion. We need consistency, and I hope the changes today are the first step toward finding it.
I think it’s bizarre that some believe you can’t worry about the manager while giving the team your full support. It’s really baffling and doesn’t make any sense.
I had a really long week and really enjoyed the win today. I didn’t enjoy it any less than those who weren’t concerned after the Spurs games. Anyone sane would have been a little worried, and anyone sane would be relieved and content today!
Any extreme viewpoint just isn’t being objective. Whether you think Ole has the capacity to coach such a massive club or not, too many people are getting lost trying to be right and both extremes aren’t any good for the forum.
If you can’t have a calm discussion or debate about it, you probably shouldn’t bother coming here after a heavy loss, or a great win. Both extremes are as bad as each other and are extremely annoying to read.
Its frustrating to see fans can't enjoy win and call other fans Top-Red.
The win is good for us the club and the fans. It is toxic people here who are crowing about the win and all that sort of thing that is getting toxic. I still do not think Ole is the man to win us trophies. Beating Newcastle does not prove anything else. This is a game we should always win and so was the Palace game. Now if he goes and wins the new few games I will hold up my hand and said I was wrong.
I know that, but the number of times you hear that argument and then see people downplaying Newcastle as just Newcastle is bonkers
It's getting ridiculous now. This thread should only be re-opened once a month.
It's okay when we lost 6-1 and they all talking trash? Even if we come up with some explanation, it doesn't make sense to them.
He got a committed performance today and he probably selected the players who are most committed and professional. People on here are saying the performance wasn't good until Pogba and VdB came on, but I disagree. The performance was good throughout most of the match, just lacking that bit of quality until the pair came on. I'm not sure the team would have been as fired up if Ole had favoured quality over fight in his starting line up.
I suspect we've probably been outworked in midfield against Newcastle in recent years. Nothing lacking in that department tonight.
I can't remember who said it, but someone suggested Ole just accept that we're a counter attacking team. I'm not sure whether Ole is more than a counter attacking manager, but this team is capable of more. But the absolute minimum he has to get out of them is this level of commitment and then build on that.
So taking the good things from our playing like a small club pre-Bruno, and adding more purposeful attacking intent. Maybe VdB is that missing link - providing both the quality and mentality.
I suspect we've probably been outworked in midfield against Newcastle in recent years. Nothing lacking in that department tonight.
I can't remember who said it, but someone suggested Ole just accept that we're a counter attacking team. I'm not sure whether Ole is more than a counter attacking manager, but this team is capable of more. But the absolute minimum he has to get out of them is this level of commitment and then build on that.
So taking the good things from our playing like a small club pre-Bruno, and adding more purposeful attacking intent. Maybe VdB is that missing link - providing both the quality and mentality.
That's a tad silly tbh. It's like if we beat PSG, people will rightly laud the fact that we beat a top side that made it to last seasons CL Final. Just like saying beating Newcastle - who had 6 shots on target all season prior to tonight- is a decent result but nothing more. Let's be honest, it's a game that most expected us to win.
Why can people no longer discuss context around wins/defeats and strengths/weaknesses of the opposition. Our last 20 minutes tonight was brilliant football and I feel VdB played a huge part in that. Overall, the performance was a-bit sloppy and disjointed for a lot of the match. Newcastle had zero attacking intent and let us have the ball. They were content with trying to counter using Saint Maxim as that outlet. We weren't great at all in the first half and again, struggled a-bit in the second half until the final 20 minutes. Ole made some positive subs that worked and there were some very pleasing overall player performances. But yeah, let's not pretend this Newcastle side aren't a poor enough side. They have a striker who is inept and a woeful midfield. They rely on their defence and a counter attacking system. I expect them to finish lower mid-table.
Overall, we finished the night on a positive note and that's great given we have a tough fixture list coming up. Good nights work in the end but plenty to be worked on. People aren't going to pretend we played swashbuckling football for ninty minutes, because it's far from the truth.
OleOUTers have vague and unquantifiable judgment criteria. There is no way to debate with such bigoted fundamentalists.
On every realistic metric, Ole is outperforming.
To be honest it has gotten absolutely ridiculous. I think it's jumped the shark today.
If we leave out every single player that started today - this could be our squad against PSG (well Romero isnt eligible but for arguments sake)
Henderson - Telles, Tuanzebe, Bailly, Williams - Matic,V.d.Beek,Pogba - Martial, Cavani, Greenwood
Bench: Romero, Mengi, Lingard, Ighalo, Laird, T.F.M, Pellistri
I guess it's fair to say our squad has improved "slightly" since then.
Yeah, its a very odd, and destructive energy from people who claim they support the club.
What I really enjoyed about today was seeing some brilliant tactical strategies from Ole. Bruno mentioned in his interview that his goal was a direct result of training drills he and Rashford have worked hard at. But yeah, our team isn't 'coached'.
We're in a much better place squad wise than what Mourinho left. Also Ole won't leave behind a toxic mess.
Being happy that the team has won is being toxic? While hurling insults at other posters and insulting the manager and players isn't?
Am I in the upside down?
No one is saying Newcastle are a great side - but they beat Burnley 3-1, they beat West Ham 2-0, they draw away to Spurs - and yes that an awful game against Brighton as well.
And no we didn't play swashbuckling football for 90 minutes - but when you have 13 shots on goal against a P.L side away - miss a penalty, have one goal ruled out for offside, 2 balls cleared off the line and score 4 goals - then that is a good match regardless of who you play.
The absolute overwhelming majority from both sides are good rational posters who engage in sensible debate. It's the very small minority from both sides that lower the tone. If you read the last few pages you'll see how it's both sides. If you can't see it that then you're being deliberately obtuce imo.
Not aiming this at any particular person, but anyone who says that people who think he should be sacked are somehow not real fans are seriously self righteous arseholes. And dumber than a bag of rocks.
That wasn't my point. The poster I responded to had initially made a smary post which was to provoke reaction and was also untrue. His post about 'downplaying' Newcastle I just found silly. Most are debating rationally from both sides and calling it a good win. But Newcastle don't need to be downplayed as they are what they are, an average Bruce managed team. It was a good win in the end with positives. But there's also improvements to be made.
This is not an objective conclusion.
We had a goal disallowed for offside and also missed a penalty. 28 shots and 14 on target. (compared to 7 &4 for Newcastle). 64% possession.
We should have won by a bigger margin!
1uping is all in good fun. With the run of games we have coming I'm sure there'll be plenty to crow at for the people who are into that sort. The season didn't end today
In your opinion.
What if people don't care for your opinion? How can your statement then be true?
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I mean, I'm just trying to get a sense check from the poster here.
Being happy and positive that the team you claim to support has won a game is, according to Foxbatt, a toxic behaviour.
However, nitpicking said result and saying "it's only Newcastle", or saying statements to the effect that Ole is still shit, are perfectly reasonable behaviours?
I mean, if you claim to support a team - you should at least be happy when said team wins, no? Otherwise, what is the point of this forum? Or indeed, the notion of 'support' itself?
Old Trafford, when Utd have just scored with the fans cheering would, if we took Foxbatt's logic to the nth degree, be toxic behaviour, and if we again took that same logic to the nth degree, if those same sets of supporters started booing the players and management, that would be perfectly fine?
Do you not see that inherent contradiction?
If some posters have gone a little doolally in response to the win, then it's a bit weird I agree, but how can something as natural as being happy that the team you profess to support has won a game be in any way shape or form, toxic?
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