City got pummelled at home to Leicester. Wolves lost 4 nil at Westham when they were overwhelming favs going into the game.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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City got pummelled at home to Leicester. Wolves lost 4 nil at Westham when they were overwhelming favs going into the game.
We had that in Jose. It went to sh1t pretty quick, no?
Sorry you are quite correct. Getting mixed up. I don't follow the ins and outs of who owns the dippers. H&G were awful owners. FSG are the good ones. All these Americans blur into one.
I’m not going to read it again but I trust my fellow united fans and if you say it was so I accept and apologise have a good one Mr B
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One way or the other, we'll know the deal after those games.
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One way or the other, we'll know the deal after those games.
He’ll get lucky and make it though. Bruno will be out and we’ll be told he needs his full team.
He's been here almost 2 years yet the tenability of his job remains under review; it says a lot.
He's going to have to coach his way out of this, there are no excuses.
Why would it be lucky? If we win those games, is it automatically lucky, and if we lose it's automatically "clueless"?
Let's see after those games. He might get lucky, he might get unlucky, he might prove he's not as good as "the Ole-In brigade" thinks he is, or he can prove that he's better than "the Ole-Out brigade" thinks he is.
And i apologize if i came across as a twat. No need for insults just because one disagree
You misunderstood. By lucky I meant losing but having an excuse that such and such players we’re unavailable. I said that because he’s excused from a lot. But I wouldn’t take away his victories regardless of what I think of him as a manager.
Agreed, both our football and the results have to drastically improve over the international break or i think that might be it for Ole
And that bolded part is a scary thought, but i think you might be onto something. After our horrible start all the old classics started popping up again in this thread. Namely "bad coaching" and "patterns of play" which imo is just a big pile of shite. From Feb and until the season ended we were (one of the?) the best team in the league in terms of points haul and we looked disciplined, well organized and dare i say it...well coached
Now of course with a short holiday and no preseason to speak of, fatigue and bad fitness levels was going to be an issue, but we cant only blame that and certainly not the humiliating way we lost to Spurs. Imo it was not so much that we looked poorly organized, but rather that we barely bothered trying and we committed a bunch of completely brain dead errors that lead to us losing in spectacular fashion. Maguire knows he should not wrestle his teammates to the ground, Shaw knows he should not casually jog into no-mans land when his GK is screaming at him to get to the near post and Pogba knows hes allowed to move faster than a light jog. They're not complete morons and they dont need to be reminded about this weekly. Now if Ole truly has lost the dressing room hes done. That it for any manager.
The scary part though is that while changing managers is "easy", the next one will have to sort out a squad of largely the same players who now have committed mutiny to two very different managers in less than two years
No worries, I found it funny, is all.
I meant it in a "haha what the hell" way and not in a "fecking idiots" way.
It appears my comment has gone completely over you head. But I'll entertain your logic as well and counter with the following question: why don't you apply yourself, train and become an elite athlete? Are £100k not enough incentive for you?
To be fair I'm convinced that's part of Neville's strategy at this point. Still convinced he
Yes and we won something and finished second then decided not to back him and he got toxic.
I'd rather that.
Ah, okay. Fair.
I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if we are talking to alternatives (well Poch) behind the scenes already, there is very often no smoke without fire when the press start reporting about a managers job being in jeopardy if results do not improve in the next month
No doubting both of their qualities. Once in a while, they put in a performance that makes you go wow, but that's once in a blue moon. We need players who produce at least 80 percent of the time on the pitch. I know players can sometimes have off days. I was totally impressed with the way Kane and Son ripped apart our defense. Forget the score, but we need performances and work rate like them throughout the team.
City might have just one more point than us, but you know they will be there or thereabouts at the end of the season, can you see this team doing that? Maybe be we can get the team creating chances for Cavani, Telles, and Facu surprise everyone. We may still have a chance of a decent season.
It's been 3 games into the season. The manner of defeat and our performance in the games we have won has been woeful but it's just been 3 games ( League cup we have progressed despite our performance so it doesn't matter). We are 1 point behind City who only won against Wolves, another team who were at a disadvantage due to Europe participation and has started poorly. If we win our game in hand, we will be 3 points behind Liverpool and Arsenal and 1 point behind Spurs and Chelsea. This indicates no team has started the season ( apart from Aston Villa and Everton) that well.
question is does the board, woodward 100% back ole ?
That sage, Danny Mills, has spoken!
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/08/dann...e-gunnar-solskjaer-13390629/?ito=newsnow-feed
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/08/dann...e-gunnar-solskjaer-13390629/?ito=newsnow-feed
I do not think you need to be a sage or a rocket scientist to know what Mills said is the truth. It is stating the bloody obvious.
Thanks for the post. I have never followed Norwegian football so that kind of info is well appreciated to get a better look at the bigger picture.
Despite calling our board and everybody in charge clueless prats I still think that they made some kind of research before they called Ole to take over.
Also I will agree that Ole has some positive abilities. Some of our players have become better under him.
And I can somehow imagine that he might have some kind of success in a league like the Norwegian where his strenghts matter more.
However, I think managing one of the biggest teams playing in the PL and going against the big guns week in week out is 2-3 sizes too big for him. This is nothing to be ashamed of and I agree that there is a lot wrong with the structures above him. It is a fact though that a better manager would take this squad and improve our football and results, no doubt about it.
Sure but the Glazers wouldn't.
What do you think would be our next main Knee Jerk after losing a Match?
1. Ole out
2. Pogba out
3. Glazers out
1. Ole out
2. Pogba out
3. Glazers out
What a clown . He is saying that Rodger, Arteta, Lampard, even bloody Moyes he would pick over Ole!
Let's go through the list.
Rodgers- Leicester were 3rd ...5 points clear from 4th place before lockdown. 2nd at the start of the year 14 points ahead of us. We ended up 4 points above them...he bottled it.
Lampard - done nothing of note. Played some youngsters, fell from 3rd to 4th. Pulisic pretty much saved them all season, let in so many goals. Thrashed in CL . Gets to spend all of daddys money and has started terribly.
Arteta - some argument here, terrible league form but they did win the FA cup. He is having a nice run of form right now (Ole has had those...)
Moyes- not even going to bother.
It's been that way at the club for years. Our success rests on individual moments of magic.
Seems the players want to start making executive decisions. Why I was never on board Shaw making those comments about transfers, this is just the other side of it, some will inevitably direct their displeasure at the manager's abilities.
Maybe those who sided shaw asking for new players should have no problem with this anonymous player implying for a new manager
The others are arguable but Rodgers is undoubtably a level above Ole. (And the Pulisic point could easily apply for Bruno)
I think it's more that we look anything but a cohesive, well drilled team. Ole has improved our front three and how they link up; when we get the ball to them, anything can happen. However, everything behind the front 3 smacks of inadequate coaching as does our out of possession play.
He's not a terrible manager but he's far from a top one. It's hardly a great disservice to him as 90% of managers aren't elite level. Unfortunately, we are an elite club who require a modern, progressive manager to bring us back to the top. Ole just isn't a talented enough coach to do that. We have brought in some cracking young talents and we need a manager who's a top coach to come in and ensure they are integrated into the team in the right manner and progress.
He's done a great firefighting job and he'll leave us in a better place than Jose did. But I feel he has to go and I would hate for it to get aa toxic as it did under Jose. I genuinely appreciate some of the positive changes he's made but anyone can see that he's never going to be good enough to take us back to the promised land.
He's not a terrible manager but he's far from a top one. It's hardly a great disservice to him as 90% of managers aren't elite level. Unfortunately, we are an elite club who require a modern, progressive manager to bring us back to the top. Ole just isn't a talented enough coach to do that. We have brought in some cracking young talents and we need a manager who's a top coach to come in and ensure they are integrated into the team in the right manner and progress.
He's done a great firefighting job and he'll leave us in a better place than Jose did. But I feel he has to go and I would hate for it to get aa toxic as it did under Jose. I genuinely appreciate some of the positive changes he's made but anyone can see that he's never going to be good enough to take us back to the promised land.
The dressing room is lost but we all knew that from the start of the season. I can’t see him saving it this time around it would have required an uplifting signing which hasn’t happened. Let’s hope we don’t damage our season like we did with Jose.
Rodgers is way ahead of Ole.
Swop them around and we'll be way closer to city while Leicester will be struggling to finish in the top half.
Lampard, Moyes and Arteta I agree at this moment in time. But Arteta is starting his career. Rodgers at Leicester had half a team as good as ours. So the players he had has to be taken into consideration. He is a better coach than Ole for sure.
The biggest problem I have with Ole is it feels he is a barely scrapping top 4 manager at best.
He has not built us for a title push nor has he coached us for it well enough.
I think his staff let him down too, but he need to replace them then just as he needs to drop players if they are not performing.
Our squad under a top manager could still reach far. Since we do have talent in our squad still. The likes of Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Bruno can perform at top level in attack.
Greenwood maybe too. Cavani if fit could be a good option too and DVB got potential. The defense needs coaching and it could work much better. Our keepers are very good as well.
He has not built us for a title push nor has he coached us for it well enough.
I think his staff let him down too, but he need to replace them then just as he needs to drop players if they are not performing.
Our squad under a top manager could still reach far. Since we do have talent in our squad still. The likes of Pogba, Rashford, Martial and Bruno can perform at top level in attack.
Greenwood maybe too. Cavani if fit could be a good option too and DVB got potential. The defense needs coaching and it could work much better. Our keepers are very good as well.
That quote is damning. From a very reliable journalist too. Annoyingly I think Ed will be extra patient with Ole. He won't sack him until top 4 is well and truly gone I fear.
He's a guy who chanced his way - via the shambolic running of Utd - into a position he should never have been considered for...
What did anyone think was gonna happen?
It's gone better than I would've expected but OGS is obviously nowhere near the caliber of coach that should be anywhere near a club of Utd's size and wealth.
Only under such incompetent leadership like the Glazers / Woodward could such an appointment even consider being made.
Of course the dippy, overly sentimental fans didn't help the cause, but the leadership of the club must take responsibility.
A club of Utd's stature needs at least competent leadership in footballing matters, until that happens, expect more of the same. It's that simple.
What did anyone think was gonna happen?
It's gone better than I would've expected but OGS is obviously nowhere near the caliber of coach that should be anywhere near a club of Utd's size and wealth.
Only under such incompetent leadership like the Glazers / Woodward could such an appointment even consider being made.
Of course the dippy, overly sentimental fans didn't help the cause, but the leadership of the club must take responsibility.
A club of Utd's stature needs at least competent leadership in footballing matters, until that happens, expect more of the same. It's that simple.
Bottom line is Ole took us to a third-place finish last season, so he absolutely deserves to stay on.
Yes it was only on 66 points, but anyone who claims it wouldn’t have been at least 75 points if Fernandes and Ighalo had come in during the summer is flat out being dishonest.
As for the reasons for our poor start this season, they are blatantly obvious.
Liverpool have conceded 7 goals in a game, City 5 and even Chelsea for all their spending have dropped points during the start of the season, yet all we hear is this constant Ole out agenda.
Instead the focus right now should be on scouting a fast CB and a dominant CDM/DLP. That would take the team to the next level and put us in a position of then doing the finishing touches of the rebuild.
I've been Ole In consistently since the start and I'm not about to change my mind just because we've predictably lost a few games after having had next to no preseason (even though I did call on him to throw the EL straight after securing CL against Leicester in the last game of last season and just play the second choice eleven in order to get a longer preseason).
Yes it was only on 66 points, but anyone who claims it wouldn’t have been at least 75 points if Fernandes and Ighalo had come in during the summer is flat out being dishonest.
As for the reasons for our poor start this season, they are blatantly obvious.
Liverpool have conceded 7 goals in a game, City 5 and even Chelsea for all their spending have dropped points during the start of the season, yet all we hear is this constant Ole out agenda.
Instead the focus right now should be on scouting a fast CB and a dominant CDM/DLP. That would take the team to the next level and put us in a position of then doing the finishing touches of the rebuild.
I've been Ole In consistently since the start and I'm not about to change my mind just because we've predictably lost a few games after having had next to no preseason (even though I did call on him to throw the EL straight after securing CL against Leicester in the last game of last season and just play the second choice eleven in order to get a longer preseason).
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