A lot to digest here
"Clueless"
"Out of his depth"
"Got no tactics"
"Braindead"
"Doesn't know how to use subs"
"Tactically inept".
These are just some of the highlihts of the Ole out discussion
Didn't come from me.
And, you're not really making an argument for how the team improve, you're just making an argument for why the manager needs to be sacked and Pochettino or Nagelsmann needs to come in and make everything better. Those aren't arguments, they are "Grass is greener" statements.
I'm haven't named those two in particular. I'm just saying that there are plenty of better football managers who would a) make better decisions with the squad, or b) have the current squad performing better. That's my opinion. Surely I'm entitled to that?
It's the same posters that lament Lingard, Mata, Pereira and Dan James for being terrible, but when Ole has to play them because we lack depth or have injuries, he's the clueless one.
Which one is it? You can't have your scuky sandwich and blame everyone.
What you're missing is that Ole's partly responsible for having to play them, which is one of the main points I've been making. He's been here a year and a half, during three transfer windows, and identified that he has a shit squad. So if you're a manager with a decent idea of what financial framework you're acting within, you have two options. You can either go for the most expensive player in every slot and end up with six players in three windows, or you can target cheaper players and mold the squad into what you want it to be. Ole went for option A and now he's still got absolute poop on the bench which means he doesn't trust his bench and runs the first XI into the ground, causing chronic fitness issues. Now whose fault is that? You're all blaming Ed here but Ole's targeting of only the most expensive players within his budget has made him end up with 6 players rather than 12. Just as a thought experiment, imagine if he'd identified both full back positions as weak points. He had the option of going for Aarons and Telles or AWB for pretty much the same amount of money. Whose fault is it that he chose AWB? The Glazers'? Woodward's?
What exactly are you analyzing here? That we've struggled against inferior teams this season?
That we've struggled against inferior teams as long as Ole's been here and there's no obvious improvement in that regard. Is that so hard to understand? You can disagree with it, but we still struggle against teams sitting back, which is the majority of teams that we play.
Last season the point total accumulated was blamed on luck and other teams sucking. Like B*TCH are they not competing in the same league? The position is based on level playingfield. It is irrelevant.
It's hardly irrelevant to discuss the amount of points collected when you're aiming for the top and you end up 33 points off the team's at the top. It's hardly sustainable to expect to make top 4 every season with 66 points (58% of possible points) every season if you look at it historically. Another thought experiment: If we end up with 55 points this season and somehow claim second spot, would you class that as us being 'as good' as last season, 'better' than last season or 'worse' than last season only judging by our own performances?
Wolverhampton and Manchester City ended the season about the same time as we did. And they both got annihilated by "inferior" teams.. A very, very funny coincidence that both those teams look absolutely shot while we are supposed to look great with a 2 week pre-season under our belt, where some first teamers haven't even participated.
I'm not talking about Wolves and City here, but both those teams are teams that haven't really invested in big additions either, and Wolves even lost one of their best players. Pep's position is being questioned somewhat and he's without a doubt one of the most acclaimed managers out there, so why shouldn't questions be asked of Ole?
I just know that the DVB should have started argument is going to come. But it's fairly easy to be wise after the fact isn't ti. DVB isn't a bettere player than Paul Pogba to begin with, so of course he wasn't going to get the nod. Pogba struggled and DVB came on. Pogba gets given a chance to redeem himself, struggles, Pogba comes on. DVS startes next gameweek, Pogba starts on the bench. That is what is happening.
As for the bolded. This is how you judge a team. I mean.. points decide where you are in the table.
Don't even know what the first bit is supposed to mean or how I'm supposed to respond to that?
But, I'll give you this nugget beacause this is the circle argument that always gets me:
"I don't mind ending up fith as long as we play entertaining football, than come 3rd and play bad football". - Let me make my own argument here: The team gets third plays better football than the team that comes 5th. If they got more points, they were better, end of story. And we're not palying park the bus football either, the wast majority of games, we have superior possession, another example from confirmation bias wonderland.
Yes, points on the board does say something, but if we consistently manage to get 66 points we're more likely to end up outside the top 4 than inside it. And amount of points does not equal quality of football, that's just an absurd statement and an incredibly simplistic view. My opinion is that there are more than a few teams in the league who are more attractive to watch with lower quality of players who ended up below us in the table. That is usually, for a financially sound club, a springboard from which to launch themselves into the higher positions with investment in better players.
If people were quiet now and just commented when we end up in sixth you will be there saying look at that, a couple of losses/6th place finish/many goals conceded and all you Ole out-people creep out of your caves”.
Well thing is, we haven't endedd up 6th, we finished third. We have 36 games to go of the season. I have legitimately never seen this amount of negativity before the season is even underway, and that is to a manager that has so far been backed less than managers in competing clubs this window.
This is a circular argument obviously. So you suggest that we just wait and not voice our concerns until we finish outside the top 4, and then you'll promise to not say "oh look at that, here they come". Deal?
Maybe be a bit critical of the board? All I'm seeing is a bunch of blaming the cause of the reason.
I am critical of the board. But I can be critical of Ole as well, seeing as they're not mutually exclusive, since he's the one going for the Maguires, the Sanchos and the AWBs and ends up with three players and is then disappointed because he has to put Jesse fecking Lingard on the bench or run the first XI into the ground because he has Jesse fecking Lingard on the bench.
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