Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Mainoldo]

What would you do if you’re team went 2-1 down with 12 minutes left and non of your starting 11 looked like scoring ?
a) bring on a striker
b) change widemen
c) do nothing at all

But what’s new? He’s been doing this for weeks. The subs won him the game against Copenhagen but when did he put them on? I’d guess and say around the same time?

So when I say he didn’t do anything wrong he didn’t. He does this all the time, when we win it’s okay with most people on here. At the end of the day the diffensive errors cost us.

 

[McGrathsipan]

If Were still not there or there abouts in 2 more seasons then he has to go. Minimum for next season is a trophy and CL qualification. Leauge challenge the next year

 

[Amarsdd]

The only thing Ole lovers do here is come here and insult other posters. Pathetic attitude. If Ole's people are snowflakes and cant see other posters criticizing him, then they should keep out of this thread.

snowflakes? ok

 

[Leftback99]

I suggest you people are a laughing stock.

You come in here acting passive aggressive or just aggressive without addressing any of these points and you have the gall to insult others. Go read the definition of discussion forum.

What points? The question is should we sack him today or not? Point me towards anyone making a decent case for it?

 

[Giggsyking]

Mediocrity? No. It’s accepting that we did not win tonight. We should have done better, but at the same time we were the better team.

Building something great takes time. It’s going to be bumpy.

No big club, not Madrid, not Barcelona and neither Munich will accept this mediocrity masked by the name rebuilding. When the appoint a manager they expect him to deliver trophies. Bid trophies .

 

[Mainoldo]

Honestly I'd prefer to wait until somebody better or with more potential (e.g. Nagelsmann perhaps) becomes available.

Pochettino is better than Ole, but if we appoint him we're committing to at least another few years without silverware.

Not really. Who knows when Nagelsmann is free. How longs a piece of string. But it we get Poch and he fails to take us over the line then Nagelsmann is available and showing better signs. Get him.

 

[Mainoldo]

If Were still not there or there abouts in 2 more seasons then he has to go. Minimum for next season is a trophy and CL qualification. Leauge challenge the next year

2 more years this same team needs a rebuild. So really we are wasting 6 years.

 

[Andycoleno9]

I suggest you people are a laughing stock.

You come in here acting passive aggressive or just aggressive without addressing any of these points and you have the gall to insult others. Go read the definition of discussion forum.

Exactly. Some (i repeat some) of Ole in guys are so aggressive and abusive. They approach to this topic as is Ole=United. If you criticise Ole then you hate United.

 

[Hound Dog]

I am all for keeping Ole but cannot understand the logic of posters who think that, give he never won trophies with giants such as Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs, Poch will never win a trophy in his career.

I guess it is the same people who thought Klopp would lose all the finals he is ever in.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Not really. Who knows when Nagelsmann is free. How longs a piece of string. But it we get Poch and he fails to take us over the line then Nagelsmann is available and showing better signs. Get him.

Part of the problem is that we have no structure that enables continuity between managers. So if we get Pochettino, we're committing to another rebuild, and then another one when his successor takes over.

 

[SirScholes]

But what’s new? He’s been doing this for weeks. The subs won him the game against Copenhagen but when did he put them on? I’d guess and say around the same time?

So when I say he didn’t do anything wrong he didn’t. He does this all the time, when we win it’s okay with most people on here. At the end of the day the diffensive errors cost us.

which option would you make?

And it’s one of his biggest faults, it worked against Copenhagen and most people I know still question why it wasn’t made sooner

 

[evil_geko]

I am all for keeping Ole but cannot understand the logic of posters who think that, give he never won trophies with giants such as Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs, Poch will never win a trophy in his career.

I guess it is the same people who thought Klopp would lose all the finals he is ever in.

Yeah, this mentality and logic of some people I will never understand.

 

[Mainoldo]

Part of the problem is that we have no structure that enables continuity between managers. So if we get Pochettino, we're committing to another rebuild, and then another one when his successor takes over.

I agree with you there. But the only thing about Poch he doesn’t need to rebuild with money. To me that’s what’s key. The longer we keep relying on our cheque book. The longer we are going to take to get back to the top.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

If the club thinks they can upgrade on Ole, then they need to get in a DOF and ease the process for the new manager coming in.

 

[McGrathsipan]

2 more years this same team needs a rebuild. So really we are wasting 6 years.

What? This team is only just at the start of the build.

 

[Tyrion]

Oh I see, but Solskjaer is being judged by completely different standards? Gotcha.

No he isn't.

Poch got Spurs to overperform for several years and did something similar at Southampton. He did this in the Premier league. That is more impressive than anything OGS has done in his managerial career.

Poch is getting linked with the Barca job. Do you seriously think they'd look at OGS? In the eyes of non-United fans, it seems pretty obvious which is the better choice.

 

[Tyrion]

If the club thinks they can upgrade on Ole, then they need to get in a DOF and ease the process for the new manager coming in.

Regardless of who the manager is, this is a must IMO.

 

[Mainoldo]

which option would you make?

And it’s one of his biggest faults, it worked against Copenhagen and most people I know still question why it wasn’t made sooner

Took off Brandon and Rashford. Brandon as the game is as passing him by as usual. Rashford because he’s just been awful.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Not the manager you want to replace Ole with, apparently.

Yeah, but he was in Tottenham not United. If Ole was in Tottenham i bet you that he would not be in top10 in any season. And not playing in any finals. With Saints Ole would be relegated probably.
Because one of them is true and talented manager. Other is just plain average manager.

But ok. I am sure that we will regret our decision to continue with Ole. And for me there is no question about it. You have faith in him. Lets see what happens.
I will be delighted if i am wrong. Delighted.

 

[Mainoldo]

What? This team is only just at the start of the build.

How? Read what the poster said. 2 more years. I guarantee you 2 years at this level. Bruno doesn’t inspire you like he does now. Then like I said the cycle starts again.

 

[Zen86]

No he isn't.

Poch got Spurs to overperform for several years and did something similar at Southampton. He did this in the Premier league. That is more impressive than anything OGS has done in his managerial career.

Poch is getting linked with the Barca job. Do you seriously think they'd look at OGS? In the eyes of non-United fans, it seems pretty obvious which is the better choice.

How did Poch overperform? They had a good team at a time when their rivals were in the pits. Leicester even won the league during that period. That’s overperforming.

 

[Livvie]

Great. And what about all the times this season when we fell apart after subs were made? We’ve got to where we are this season because of the first 11.

There have been a lot of times when subs weren't made at the right time, often too late to make a difference. But if the first 11 aren't doing what they should be, especially Rashford who has been consistently poor since restart, it's ridiculous not to try and salvage something.

 

[elnorte]

Sack him

snowflakes? ok

Actually if the term 'snowflake' was simply substituted for 'overly sensitive' or some similar phrase then we'd all be happy.

 

[RedPed]

I am all for keeping Ole but cannot understand the logic of posters who think that, give he never won trophies with giants such as Espanyol, Southampton and Spurs, Poch will never win a trophy in his career.

I guess it is the same people who thought Klopp would lose all the finals he is ever in.

That isn't the issue. It's the fact that they want to get rid of Solskjaer for those very same reasons. It doesn't make any sense.

 

[Duncan the Great]

Ole is just out of his depth as manager/coach. Tactically naïve, I have never been able to detect what system he coaches, he has four players who want to play central striker, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Ighalo but no natural wide players, James is barely Championship class and should never have been bought. Same can be said of the cart horse that is Maguire, my God he is rubbish as is Lindelöf. Compare these two numb-nuts to that young kid at Leipzig, how do we continually miss talent like that ? The situation is crying out for a Director of Football to overhaul the complete set up, but in the immediate future get talking to Poch and find Ole another position if he wants to stay.

 

[Livvie]

Maybe maybe not. I don’t think Ighalo have looked sharp for a while, and he looked off tonight. But so did Rashford. But we created a lot of chances! I really couldn’t make my mind up why or who to sub, except Williams. We played well mate, besides a few errors which lost the game. And some incredible chances missed. I don’t think this game is something to go knee jerking over, but some hindsight criticism is ok. Both on Ole and the players. But we did actually set up and play well!

He looked off tonight???

 

[Mainoldo]

How did Poch overperform? They had a good team at a time when their rivals were in the pits. Leicester even won the league during that period. That’s overperforming.

Vertognhen and Alderwield was argueable the best defensive duo in the league. On paper that would be like making Lindelöf and Maguire the best partnership in the league.

 

[Berbasbullet]

He looked off tonight???

How could you not see?! He had more than enough time to score, bleeding Ighalo! Poor effort.

 

[Nani Nana]

Ole "Gunner" Solksjaer has turned us into specialists in failure.

Bring Mou back. Just kidding.

 

[Chairman Steve]

I still see him ending up as being the guy who built the team for the next guy, who will take said team to the next level. I can’t see his ceiling being anything higher than what we’re seeing right now.

 

[RedPed]

No he isn't.

Poch got Spurs to overperform for several years and did something similar at Southampton. He did this in the Premier league. That is more impressive than anything OGS has done in his managerial career.

Poch is getting linked with the Barca job. Do you seriously think they'd look at OGS? In the eyes of non-United fans, it seems pretty obvious which is the better choice.

Would you give him 5 years at United without winning anything? He had a chance to win something at Spurs but bottled it. He had a great team and setup at the time. Arguably, he should have done better. How many managers do you seriously believe would be linked to the Barca job? He can go to Barca and good luck to him. Let's see how that works out.

 

[kitress]

No he isn't.

Poch got Spurs to overperform for several years and did something similar at Southampton. He did this in the Premier league. That is more impressive than anything OGS has done in his managerial career.

Poch is getting linked with the Barca job. Do you seriously think they'd look at OGS? In the eyes of non-United fans, it seems pretty obvious which is the better choice.

While Poch was getting hamstrung by a peasant's budget too. Meanwhile, Ole broke the record for a defender, a fullback -- and a winger yet; and yet expectations for him are lowered every time (the EL cup is meaningless now, lol). He's like a cult leader, this guy.

 

[SAFMUTD]

It seems Ole gets a free card until his third season because Klopp didnt achieve anything until then. So for the narrative I hope Ole take us to the UCL final next year or those posters arguments are not going to be valid anymore.

 

[Amarsdd]

Have you ever seen this thread after we win? You can't say anything against Ole without being insulted and abused. There is no point posting then.
Guy lost 3rd semi this year. What should i say? Bravo? We have a serious winner?
My opinion is that these kind of games show are you manager for biggest club or not. He is not.
Look at his game management in those semis. Against City at OT he completely messed up with lineup and tactics (subbing no10 for no6 at half time was the best proof).
Against Chelsea he sent some mixed lineup because of resting or something and changed system. Then later he brought in best players and changed system again.
And this today. We had great 20 minutes in second half but he waited too long with substitutions.

I didn't know you expected us to win 3 trophies this season. At least one would have been good, but I didn't have any expectations going into this season except for top 4 (to be very honest, that's even pushing). So, looking at this season as a whole
Has he made mistakes? Yes, ofcourse he has.
Will bringing in a new manager now make us world beaters straightaway? No, at least not with the structure we have above the manager
Will we go into another "rebuilding" phase with a new manager? Probably yes, as every manager would want to work with his own players.
Are we building a squad for Ole now? Yes, with a couple of additions this window we'll have a very good squad.
Now, with this squad and with time he's had here, should we expect more next season? Yes absolutely, thats when I'd expect Ole to cut out these mistakes and get us a lot closer to the top and good cup runs. If not, yes, we might have to look at other managers.
So, yeah reasonable criticism is all good with me, but impatience has been annoying.

 

[Mainoldo]

It seems Ole gets a free card until his third season because Klopp didnt achieve anything until then. So for the narrative I hope Ole take us to the UCL final next year or those posters arguments are not going to be valid anymore.

It’s going to be a long season.

 

[Zen86]

There have been a lot of times when subs weren't made at the right time, often too late to make a difference. But if the first 11 aren't doing what they should be, especially Rashford who has been consistently poor since restart, it's ridiculous not to try and salvage something.

It depends on whether your think a sub-par Rashford is better than the alternative on the bench. I personally wouldn’t trust any one of Mata, Perreira, Lingard et al to change a game. Those changes have been made plenty of times and resulted in us completely losing control of the game.

 

[LJJT]

Why is this still a thread, we are a million miles better than we where at the start of the season. Far better than we where under LVG or mourinho. I accept he probably can be criticised on the lack of subs or timing of subs but not a lot else

 

[Livvie]

It depends on whether your think a sub-par Rashford is better than the alternative on the bench. I personally wouldn’t trust any one of Mata, Perreira, Lingard et al to change a game. Those changes have been made plenty of times and resulted in us completely losing control of the game.

Well Mata changed the game just a few days ago - and not for the first time, because he always looks like he's making an effort, and his brain is quick if his legs aren't - so forgive me if I don't trust your judgement.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11057707/man-utd-ratings-fernandes-shines/ Just an example of how 'poor' tonight's bench players are

https://www.tribalfootball.com/arti...winner-what-about-his-speed-4311832#popup-sso

 

[passing-wind]

I still see him ending up as being the guy who built the team for the next guy, who will take said team to the next level. I can’t see his ceiling being anything higher than what we’re seeing right now.

This is my exact thesis and why it's hard to be upset over our results in knockout competitions. Solskjaer is doing a good job at the level of building the groundwork for the team to proceed under a more diverse manager.

 

[kitress]

Would you give him 5 years at United without winning anything? He had a chance to win something at Spurs but bottled it. He had a great team and setup at the time. Arguably, he should have done better. How many managers do you seriously believe would be linked to the Barca job? He can go to Barca and good luck to him. Let's see how that works out.

Poch was a whisker away from winning the biggest competition in the sport that season. Klopp got backed with hundreds of millions and Poch got none, nada, zilch. That's why he is being namedropped to manage the biggest clubs, while OGS wouldn't be able to get a job at a lower half PL club. People know who the better manager is.