Apparently he’s also evaluated on getting rid of some players and it took some monumental effort.
Despite Jose and LvG themselves getting rid of many players as soon as they came in.
It’s like being cheered for showing up on time at work.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Despite Jose and LvG themselves getting rid of many players as soon as they came in.
It’s like being cheered for showing up on time at work.
After watching the match yesterday I really don't know what united should do. Looks like players don't want to play anymore. There was no urgency, no intensity just nonchalant passing of the ball to nearest player - in Fred's case nearest invisible player.
This club is in mess. If sacking Ole will solve the problem then I am in.
This club is in mess. If sacking Ole will solve the problem then I am in.
How can ANYONE defend Ole? Its only because he was a legend as a player. We have NO IDEA what is going on int he pitch, players are clueless, no scheme or pattern or any clue how to attack and yet people are keeping faith? The season will get worse and he will be sacked just like jose was last years, its bloody obvious. Wont be surprised if he is sacked after the liverpool game just like Jose was last year.
Not replacing Lukaku was a shocker. I don't know if it was simply prime target was unavailable and a stop-gap striker was not deemed financially viable, but that decision could ultimately cost us any chance of top four and, in the long-term, Solskjaer his job.
so what do you want? keep a clueless manager incharge?So having a potentially 5th manager in 6 years is the solution? With the existing club structure in place still? Your post about thinking with emotion is irony at it's finest. Out of interest who would you honestly bring in? Who would want to come? With Woodie controlling the purse strings
2/3 of our "terrible" managers achieved much better results with the same mediocre board, with arguably less backing and support. He's pretty much a mouth piece of the board and institution thats Man Utd
Mourinho overachieved greatly with this team, just because you dislike his style of play, antagonist antics and philosophy doesnt mean he was a bad coach for us. And he had next to no backing from the board, buying players like Fred in the last window is clear evidence of that. Yea some of his signings didnt work out, but the board clearly wanted high profile and name signings rather than signings he wanted to play his football, i.e. Perisic.
Mourinho overachieved greatly with this team, just because you dislike his style of play, antagonist antics and philosophy doesnt mean he was a bad coach for us. And he had next to no backing from the board, buying players like Fred in the last window is clear evidence of that. Yea some of his signings didnt work out, but the board clearly wanted high profile and name signings rather than signings he wanted to play his football, i.e. Perisic.
Firmly in the give Ole more time camp, and I'm not particularly bothered about last nights frankly dreadful performance, but I don't agree with his post match comments saying that we played well. I can only assume he didn't want to criticise the kids in public. Its okay to say the performance stank without criticising individuals.
However, our objective is to get to the knockout stages with minimal fuss and an away draw on that pitch is a decent result. It will soon be forgotten. We must make 2 signings in January and then at least 4 in in the summer.
However, our objective is to get to the knockout stages with minimal fuss and an away draw on that pitch is a decent result. It will soon be forgotten. We must make 2 signings in January and then at least 4 in in the summer.
After Ole bombs out he will leave the squad in a worse state than when he inherited it.
Barebones of a squad. Assets like Lukaku sold without being replaced. Still players like Young, Matic knocking about first team football and bunch of players with brand new contracts.
Giving him time till 2020 will take this team even further in the abyss.
For starters you are looking at another year and a half of inept tactical management and zero coaching.
I agree. No reason to hate him. If he is sacked, he'll join Wilf McGuiness as one of those ex-reds who regrettably were simply not up to the task of managing United.
Keep him till the second someone worthy shows up, someone that actually knows what he is doing.
Tbh I don't mind too much if we embark on 3 or 4 year rebuild and then fail to win the title thereafter if we just return to being a fixture in the top 4 and CL quarters. Winning the title will come once you're good enough to achieve the above, imo. I just want us to have a competitive team because once you have that you are a Van Persie or Salah signing away from the big trophies.
October is a huge month now with 2 bottom 4 clubs away and our hated rival to play at home - 3 losses in these matches will probably mean a bottom 6 position and I would think the lowest position in the league since the 80s then we play Chelsea away so it's actually possible we could be in the relegation zone at that stage. Defo sacked but in my heart I wish he would just walk away and admit he couldn't do it - I'm sure the club would still honour a portion of his contract maybe one year. The best option would be DOF but we know that won't happen...
Ole is reeling off the same attempted positive talk but it's written all over his face that he doesn't believe what he's saying !
If we win these 3 matches or maybe realistically get an exciting draw against Liverpool he stays in the job but he's a dead man walking IMO as the players continue to regress
Ole is reeling off the same attempted positive talk but it's written all over his face that he doesn't believe what he's saying !
If we win these 3 matches or maybe realistically get an exciting draw against Liverpool he stays in the job but he's a dead man walking IMO as the players continue to regress
The gradual lowering of standards has been a masterstroke by the Glazers.
I never thought I'd see United fans being happy with a 6th placed finish.
Unreal from our owners. What a soft fan base we have. "biggest club in the world" apparently
I never thought I'd see United fans being happy with a 6th placed finish.
Unreal from our owners. What a soft fan base we have. "biggest club in the world" apparently
Nah, we're too high for that.
2nd is nothing, winning europa league is nothing, we're manchester united we need to win the league.
/sarcasm
I’m very much now of the thinking that whoever takes over or managing us needs about £500 million to invest in midfielders and forwards.
We desperately need a defensive midfielder, a playmaker, a right sided forward and a striker and the type of quality that we need to be around £100-£150 million per player.
We desperately need a defensive midfielder, a playmaker, a right sided forward and a striker and the type of quality that we need to be around £100-£150 million per player.
What about a manager who finishes bottom half? Because that's a very, very realistic possibility.
not very "long run" at this rate...
Well that’s false.
He’s cleared out deadwood and also created more deadwood. Rashford; Lingard; Shaw; Lindelof; Pierera all looking extra shite.
His signings have been here a month. If Dan James doesn’t kick on with his development he’ll be deadwood too. I don’t want to be seeing this player 12 months done the line. Harry Maguire is good on the ball but I wouldn’t know because he don’t keep it well.
I rather he didn’t give youth a chance.. the more they play the more I fear for their overall career.
We’re in the cycle and to be quite frank.. we take too long in doing that too.
last year, I said we had as much chance of being relegated as we did of winning the title. I can't repeat that this season: we are far more likely to go down than win the title
Dead Man Walking comes to mind
He is saying if you replace a flat tyre with one that has a slow puncture you shouldn't change the tyres since doing so hasn't worked on previous occasions whilst completely ignoring the fact that the thought processes we carried out on replacing managers were flawed.
No it isn't - league performances have been better than the results suggest. No chance we finish lower than 6/7th IMO. Feel free to slate me at seasons end if I am wrong.
My mums free at weekends, and most evenings. I'll call her.
I still don't see how we can lump all of this on the manager. The squad is threadbare - I mean really a trainwreck. We have a pretty good first XI when everyone is fit, but one which two signings would make a very obvious and immediate improvement to.
We question the first XI that is being picked, but what these cup games are showing is that in fact the best team we have available are being selected in the league. There are no doubts about that. Fred isn't good enough for this level. Gomes and Greenwood are not ready yet (Gomes may never be). There simply isn't an alternative team that can be picked for our league games, and when we consider that this best XI has no right winger or number 10 worthy of the name then its clear that we are going to struggle to score goals.
Ole might soon end up being in the dead man walking category, simply because the clamour will intensify. For me though, I will forgive him almost anything until we strengthen this squad because I just don't believe that we could be doing much better than we are.
We question the first XI that is being picked, but what these cup games are showing is that in fact the best team we have available are being selected in the league. There are no doubts about that. Fred isn't good enough for this level. Gomes and Greenwood are not ready yet (Gomes may never be). There simply isn't an alternative team that can be picked for our league games, and when we consider that this best XI has no right winger or number 10 worthy of the name then its clear that we are going to struggle to score goals.
Ole might soon end up being in the dead man walking category, simply because the clamour will intensify. For me though, I will forgive him almost anything until we strengthen this squad because I just don't believe that we could be doing much better than we are.
This is continually your stance and I've already argued with you on it. Needless to say I think you're wrong and if it wasn't a club legend in charge you wouldn't be saying it, but I don't see the point in revisiting old debates.
You never responded to my post asking you what Ole's doing so amazing behind the scenes that makes up for our dreadful results so I assume you don't have an answer for that either.
I don't think it's that bad or we need to go full on panic and start throwing huge figures at players again. Sign a competent right winger and striker you transform this team. Lozano went for €40m odd and we were linked with Baller before he went to Spurs. So for around £100m we could have had players that could plug the most serious holes in the side.
The figures we are always made to pay are a result of stupidity and lack of vision. Take Maguire for example, Fergie would have signed him the moment Hull went down but Mourinho chose Lindelof, half the player and paid twice the fee. One thing I like about this summer was the punt on James, we don't do those often enough these days.
He’s essentially saying that you should drive with 4 flat tyres instead of changing it because you had flat tires before.
Good god, I've just seen the post match presser.
Right on
The gradual lowering of standards has been a masterstroke by the Glazers.
I never thought I'd see United fans being happy with a 6th placed finish.
Unreal from our owners. What a soft fan base we have. "biggest club in the world" apparently
Just throw them a bone like ole on the wheel or a new shiny toy and they toe in line
The gradual lowering of standards has been a masterstroke by the Glazers.
I never thought I'd see United fans being happy with a 6th placed finish.
Unreal from our owners. What a soft fan base we have. "biggest club in the world" apparently
This and this.
It's pretty dire at the moment and that is a possibility. Ferguson finished 11th and 13th when his chopper was on the block.
How I feel too @JPRouve. There are still injuries and real issues elsewhere too but the tactical side of our game and the slow passing and moving really is poor. Things really have to improve drastically soon. I'm mystified by just how many injuries we seem to have, season after season.
Our form under ole since the initial run of unbeaten games has been atrocious and relegation fodder. No wins in the last 10 away games worst run since 1989... its sacking form for anyone else..
I backed ole as i loved him but his nativity in not replacing 4 key players is just plain stupidity. Not only that the football has resorted to boring goalless crap ( a symptom of not replacing Lukaku) so Ole is lucky to still be in a job atm.
I backed ole as i loved him but his nativity in not replacing 4 key players is just plain stupidity. Not only that the football has resorted to boring goalless crap ( a symptom of not replacing Lukaku) so Ole is lucky to still be in a job atm.
Honest question: If David Moyes was our manager now, would people still be saying he needed more time and more transfer windows to get it right?
That's a weird comparison.
Of course I don't have an answer. Its not even worth a response. I'm not behind the scenes, so I can't tell you what he is doing that's so amazing any more than you can tell me what he is doing so badly.
For the record, my stance has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that he is a club legend. It doesn't even factor into my thinking, and I don't understand why anyone would be swayed by that.
Honest answer from me is that my stance would be unchanged no matter who was our manager. The players aren't good enough.
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