Just frustrating to see City and Liverpool win everything. Can just imagine City getting a CL win now after Pool won it last time. No fans should help them.
I just want to see us at least getting a trophy this season.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Just frustrating to see City and Liverpool win everything. Can just imagine City getting a CL win now after Pool won it last time. No fans should help them.
I just want to see us at least getting a trophy this season.
Not enough beating Chelsea and City in the league twice?
You get a boost when the players are fed up, results are bad, and there is general disquiet at the club. We have none of those things, in fact we have quite the opposite.
The same people were calling us game raisers who only turn up against the big teams not so long ago
From the way I was reading CAF during the match I thought AWB and TFM was getting murdered every time Palace had the ball. After watching it later I thought that they both had a decent game.
McTominay was poor and so was Pogba. The less said about Lingard the better.
Other issue we will have is that by now everyone will see that Pogba drops to collect a pass from DeGea and he turns to his left. If he gets caught or lose the ball on the edge of our box then we are done.
McTominay was poor and so was Pogba. The less said about Lingard the better.
Other issue we will have is that by now everyone will see that Pogba drops to collect a pass from DeGea and he turns to his left. If he gets caught or lose the ball on the edge of our box then we are done.
Maybe we will and maybe we won't.
I've been supporting this club for 30 years and seen mostly good times and some not so good.
This is the most optimistic I've been since Fergie left, silverware, or no silverware this season.
It's a young team that needs strengthening to properly challenge so I think a bit more patience is required.
This is also a problem that Fred got caught out with last season. It seems it's an instruction but our players seem to lack awareness especially in the midfield. I'm comfortable with Maguire bringing the ball into play it's one of his useful strengths. Matic is too slow on the half turn and Bruno isn't conservative enough to potentially not lose possession.
Ole needs to give the team a structure when building from the back under pressure.
That's all what managers can do, provide an environment for players to grow. That's what Ole is doing. What more do you expect him to do?
Even if things go south, I am sure the club and fans would be much grateful to Ole for building a foundation of three super exciting and relatively young attacking trio and also buying Bruno. While Rashford and Martial were introduced by LVG, Mourinho nearly had them through the door.
Having said that, I am feeling confident that Ole would be the manager to win major trophies with us. Though it may still take 2-3 years to get to that level.
Having said that, I am feeling confident that Ole would be the manager to win major trophies with us. Though it may still take 2-3 years to get to that level.
It doesn’t have to go South though. I think we should be alert enough to know what’s actually taking place but we never are. I mean you mentioned Jose. Why are you surprised that he couldn’t progress talented youngsters? Name me a time we he has? It’s also not a surprise a player like Rashford’s comes through under LVG (accidentally or not).
I think he is disappointed Ole didn’t turn Lingard and Pereira Into world beaters. Anyone with a little sense would see the drop when we don’t play our first team. But not this guy! The fact that we managed to get points of the top teams with all them injuries doesn’t matter either. Ole is terrible at tactics.
At the moment I don't see signs of things going South though, as I said I have confidence in Ole.
Completely baffled on why you think I was surprised by either Jose or LVG's youth development? With Jose the hope was he will leave a winning mentality and provide short-term success which has completely dried up at our club. But he couldn't provide that either. All I am saying is credit to Ole to get Martial and Rashford on track and emergence of Greenwood. This will be a big plus for our club for years to come (to be honest its comparable to emergence of Messi for Barca and how they used that as foundation to plan their dominance).
Not being funny.. But the actual Jose story is so repetitive it’s boring. He came in won trophies got us to finals and them imploded. We went from a team of softies to the second best team in the league playing crap football. I don’t see where he actually failed. We failed him by not giving him his players (thank god) and not seeing the signs of when the right time to let him go was. Champs league Seville. Spurs are going to do the exact same thing and it’s going to be a glorious watch.
Ole has done an amazing job or bringing back the roots which was ripped out the day Moyes came in but I feel (strong opinion) the longer we let this guy stick this out the longer his level of management calibure is going to ruin the chances of making this current crop become Champions. So I see no problem in giving him another year if he gets up Champs qualification. But for the love of god don’t extend his contract.
At this point we should stick with him considering how well he is doing. But if a Klopp or Pep level manager comes along we need to be ruthless and upgrade.
Who’s a better fit for United?
Who would that manager be? And how do we distinguish what a Klopp/Pep manager is? Bielsa? Pochettino? Allegri? Mancini?
For all the haters -
"Ole Gunnar Solskjær has now won 102 points in the Premier League.
Only Liverpool & Manchester City have earned more points in the Premier League than #MUFC since he took over"
Plus we play a beatiful football, and you still want Poch or someone else
Let the man finish his job
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"Ole Gunnar Solskjær has now won 102 points in the Premier League.
Only Liverpool & Manchester City have earned more points in the Premier League than #MUFC since he took over"
Plus we play a beatiful football, and you still want Poch or someone else
Let the man finish his job
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Also the same dickheads who were saying “I hope we lose a game so we can see if Solskjaer is a good manager” back when he first came.The same people were calling us game raisers who only turn up against the big teams not so long ago
Good stat, where's this from?
Strong opinion indeed.
Martial not looking good for you, mate? How about Rashford? Greenwood? Do you think it’s an accident or may be just down to players? What we lack to mount a serious title challenge, Ole has never had in our squad. That’s why we had to buy Bruno. That’s why we will buy Sancho. That’s why we will buy a CB.
But where are my manners! Who among those available and willing would you like to grace United with their presence and lift us from this profound abyss to the lofty heavens of an EPL title? Because clearly you have a Manager or two in mind.
There's a title in this team in the next two seasons. Another 3 players in this summer, that Ole wants, what a prospect we will be looking at it.
He's done amazingly well considering how unfit the team were when he first took over. How demoralised they were and how many bad eggs there were in the squad too.
He's executed the man management side perfectly. Tactics are starting to come good too. Now it's up to Ed to back him.
He's done amazingly well considering how unfit the team were when he first took over. How demoralised they were and how many bad eggs there were in the squad too.
He's executed the man management side perfectly. Tactics are starting to come good too. Now it's up to Ed to back him.
I don't know about specific fit, but some managers have proven much more.
The obvious impossible to get ones like Pep, Klopp, Zidane, but also the likes of Allegri, Conte, Ten Haag.
There are probably many others doing great job at lower level that could function well here.
Hasenhüttl could be interesting for us etc, but also a bigger risk.
I think the likes of Wilder, Dyche, Nuno, Bruce etc are a bit too primitive and rigid for us even if they are doing well.
Guess Ole is growing at the job so getting another risk now would be a bit stupid.
When we had Jose Mourinho and the logical people amongst the fan group wanted him sacked. The most famous words were, “But where are my manners! Who among those available and willing would you like to grace United with their presence and lift us from this profound abyss to the lofty heavens of an EPL title?”
Everyone always wants to know who this manager is etc. What’s the point half of you would have laughed if someone said Ole would do a better job than Mourinho. But know everyone seems to know what we need.
Like explaining Martial is a great player under poor management 18 months ago. Not everyone is going to get it until it’s blatantly obvious.
No I meant next season once these teams improve again. Especially Chelsea, who have at times looked shocking. I want to see where we stand against them next season.
At the start of the season most people seemed to think that Top 4 was a minimum requirement for Ole to keep his job rather than Poch or whoever - is this still the case?
Not confident City and Pool will be motivated as before to win the league next season.
City will focus more on CL and Pool will have their complacent problems having won the two biggest trophies already..
Therein lies the opportunity.
Lampard and Chelsea will be having another "transition" season with those ridiculous influx of new players.
Unless Mou remained at Spurs and got his mojo back but he needs new expensive players so doubt it.
So it's just us.
Newer players of about 3 won't mess our momentum and best 11 morale that much, in fact if we look at our track record -- his 5 signings have improved the squad, with 3 becoming key starters and the other 2 are good squad players.
Ole has to go all out winning the league back next season.
City will focus more on CL and Pool will have their complacent problems having won the two biggest trophies already..
Therein lies the opportunity.
Lampard and Chelsea will be having another "transition" season with those ridiculous influx of new players.
Unless Mou remained at Spurs and got his mojo back but he needs new expensive players so doubt it.
So it's just us.
Newer players of about 3 won't mess our momentum and best 11 morale that much, in fact if we look at our track record -- his 5 signings have improved the squad, with 3 becoming key starters and the other 2 are good squad players.
Ole has to go all out winning the league back next season.
On Jose, I don't disagree with you, but basically a second place and handful of second-rung trophies wasn't worth the mess he created. In hindsight I wish we hadn't hired him.
I am quite curious why you think Ole's management calibre will set us back? Maybe he isn't a manager with a system to bring out the best out of a mediocre bunch. But at the current rate, if he adds 2-3 quality players to the team (previous transfer record suggests he could), then our team could become really competitive. Once we have created a well-oiled team with quality players, its difficult to mess it up, unless he starts fights with players or injuries strike. And his man management is top drawer too.
Not sure why some are still harping on Ole's CV and past experience as those are more useful for candidate screening and selection. Once hired he should be evaluated based on his performance and accomplishment.
Wow, I'd say Ole has proven more than a number of those names in his time with us alone. (Pep, Klopp, Zidane are not coming). Allegri + Conte - really don't fit our football style. Another Jose type misfit hire. None of the others have "proved it" (much like Ole).
Mostly, fans who want Ole out want Poch in because the latter has shown that he can build a team to play good football. I think he suffered because of Spurs general habit of bricking it in big games (look at the CL final). I would understand that hire if we made it, but I would not swap him for Ole. Ole is proving that he deserves a shot at Pep and Klopp with what he has been able to do in the last 18 months., and our board should back him in the summer.
If we give ole 3-4 proper first XI quality players - we will have a high-quality squad of 18 and Ole will have the platform to challenge. If he fails to do so, then the club can decide if something needs to be done about it.
"Since Bruno Fernandes arrived to fuel the attacking instincts of Marcus Rashford, Anthony Martial, Mason Greenwood and Paul Pogba, United have scored 27 and conceded six for a goal difference rise of 21.
Extrapolated over a season that scoring rate would equal a goal difference of +66. That is title-winning territory, and while 12 games represent a small sample size they are not insignificant, at more than a quarter of a season. A run of 28 points from a possible 36 works out to 88 or 89 for a campaign, so there are strides to be made in maximising the results given Liverpool and City have both shown they can comfortably surpass that total.
A substantial goal difference gives an indicator that United are progressing. At +28 it is already better than any season since Ferguson retired apart from 2017-18 when Jose Mourinho’s team finished on +40."
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Really hope we can keep this momentum up for next season. With a couple of additions so we don't lose so many steps when rotating, next year should be really good!
Extrapolated over a season that scoring rate would equal a goal difference of +66. That is title-winning territory, and while 12 games represent a small sample size they are not insignificant, at more than a quarter of a season. A run of 28 points from a possible 36 works out to 88 or 89 for a campaign, so there are strides to be made in maximising the results given Liverpool and City have both shown they can comfortably surpass that total.
A substantial goal difference gives an indicator that United are progressing. At +28 it is already better than any season since Ferguson retired apart from 2017-18 when Jose Mourinho’s team finished on +40."
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Really hope we can keep this momentum up for next season. With a couple of additions so we don't lose so many steps when rotating, next year should be really good!
I don’t know man, when Jose was sacked my first instinct was to think that Ole could be a great caretaker manager, before the announcement came. His CV is all I had to go by and it wasn’t impressive. But it was good enough to take us to till the end of that terrible last season.
But what he showed was a naive enthusiasm and a belief that United could do it and could do it well. And if someone were to preside over a rebuild, I really preferred it to be someone like Ole. Someone who understood what the club was or had become under Fergie. Someone who had coached here in formative years.
The same way I do prefer us to nurture Greenwood and have him reach footballing heights with us Instead of buying a superstar. Because that is how you build lasting success. Your Di Marias would leave. But your Rashfords and Greenwoods will stay. Because football is not just business. It’s not robots coaching robots on where to move and where to be on the pitch. The human element plays a huge role, and Ole understands that.
May be you are right, may be it is obvious to you already. May be it will have to turn bitter for hopeless fans like myself to see the writing on the wall. But until then, Ole in. Because I don’t see a better person to be the manager given where we are, and given where we could go.
Well this is it.. if we give him quality players I believe he can motive them to compete. But he’s competing Against managers who are tactically better than him and of a higher calibure. But hey it worked for Mancini at City, he was able to beat the great one to a title.
I don’t think he will mess it up I Just don’t think he’s doing much more than just motivating talented players. We’ve had two games recently where we have just let the players get on with it without identifying tactically issues like why Bruno is so far away from the rest of the midfielders when we are over run. Switch Pogba and we don’t get through the game like how McT nearly cost us for not being as good as Matic. So yes he can’t bring the best out of a mediocre bunch, but I accept we can buy him an amazing team to compete. Him and his team are also identifying the right type of players (obviously it’s not already going to work I.e. James).
I’m not all doom and gloom I would just love for this team to have a manager who I believe could get a lot more out of them with a better system.
I’m not even going to lie you played on my heart strings with that!! I can’t argue with the romance and he’s doing well. I just think there’s a ceiling to it, That’s all. Eventually we are going to get that United hunger for trying to get this title again and we will turn on him.
Let that happen when it happens.
Even if it doesn't work out he'll leave us with a much better squad than when he arrived.
Good points, all, but on #2, if Williams doesn't have that freak accident, a) there's not enough time to get to that corner kick and b) with 11 men on the field, we don't go all defensive and the ball's in the opposition half with Williams contributing to the offensive. We had that game and a freak accident put us in the position to lose it.1. Fitness last season was the issue, we ran out of juice at the end, that's on Jose not Ole.
2. Agreed that when we play badly we need to be able to grind out the wins, we managed that last night but failed against Southampton (although we were only 2mins away from getting the win).
3. Professional Manager?
4. I see plenty of signs of a gameplan, we're scoring beautiful goals on a regular basis, we're keeping clean sheets on a regular basis. That's not luck and nor is it down to good players being good.
5. You clearly are ignoring the last 19 games by having a pop at the Manager.
Agreed, we were bloody unlucky against Southampton, shit happens.
To be honest all this could have been (and has been said) for Fergie. In fact lots of "systems" managers have followed like LVG and Mourinho promising better tactical system and they haven't gone anywhere. Even with a war chest bigger than what Fergie had.
So buying the right players, motivating them and helping them improve sound "simple" things but aren't that simple.
I still have issues with Ole. I say with Ole because he is the boss. It may be he is not served very well by his coaching staff.
1. Our corners are too predictable. We should start practicing near post flick. It's more difficult to defend against. Everyone knows the corner is headed towards Maguire. I really don't understand why the coaching staff can't see it.
2. Passing out from the back to Pogba is also too predictable. Again it's asking for disaster.
3. His game management is not good still. He doesn't see when the equilibrium changes. To be honest even saf is not very good at it and relies on his assistant as he has said in the past on the output of his Assistant.
4. He doesn't change the set up in most matches. He did change it against Palace but I think it would have been better to bring on Fred instead of Lingard as he runs a lot more than Lingard and can tackle and pass better and create better than Lingard. I also think than there is a regulation that players if fit has to play in a certain number of games per session so he may have been forced to play him.
That said blaming him for the Soton draw is ridiculous. We were a man down and he could not be blamed for individual error of players.
But I want someone who is more experienced and qualified as his assistant and is better than what he has now as his coaches.
1. Our corners are too predictable. We should start practicing near post flick. It's more difficult to defend against. Everyone knows the corner is headed towards Maguire. I really don't understand why the coaching staff can't see it.
2. Passing out from the back to Pogba is also too predictable. Again it's asking for disaster.
3. His game management is not good still. He doesn't see when the equilibrium changes. To be honest even saf is not very good at it and relies on his assistant as he has said in the past on the output of his Assistant.
4. He doesn't change the set up in most matches. He did change it against Palace but I think it would have been better to bring on Fred instead of Lingard as he runs a lot more than Lingard and can tackle and pass better and create better than Lingard. I also think than there is a regulation that players if fit has to play in a certain number of games per session so he may have been forced to play him.
That said blaming him for the Soton draw is ridiculous. We were a man down and he could not be blamed for individual error of players.
But I want someone who is more experienced and qualified as his assistant and is better than what he has now as his coaches.
This.
What they do in the red manager suit matters more.
Whatever their CV and past achievements are irrelevant and expired.
LVG and Mou had the best impressive CV but ultimately fail and are now failing in their manager career so far.
If anything he’s the right man to instill the mettle we need in the team to overcome the press Southampton brought to us. Questions should be asked of Pogba. He’s a bit too casual because he’s quality. He needs humility the way Martial needed a bit of arrogance. But he’s only just bought in to the project, if he has at all. And Ole will have to work on him in the preseason to sort that issue out.
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