No it’s not if we have less point next season than now but are top of the League your not going to argue with me that we haven’t improved
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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Alright lad. Best start saving 20p a week so you can afford to pay me!
Im sure you love to have a boss who has no clue and is not successful at all
I am my own boss. That said, Ole has a clue and has been pretty successful. Let’s see how this go.
Poch is one manager I dont want near us. Pretty much zero success and his comments about trophies are for egos certainly ain't the type of manager we need to be running things for next 3 to 4 years, if we are going to get rid of Ole.
He has quite the following too Poch. 2nd coming of christ with some
If the club where to replace Ole I would like them to be adventurous and go for one of the german managers. The football they play is delightful.
I think Poch is brought up for his overall performance for Southampton and Spurs. It's not like Ole has a great record in his two stints in the PL so far. My favourite choice would be Nagelsmann, but my feeling is that unless our run of form til the end of the season is terrible is that Ole will get at least another season.
If people bring up trophies then it has to relative to the expectations of the clubs they are managing. I don't think José winning the league cup and EL with is was a great achievement.
Michael Laudrup has won the danish league and league cup with Swansea, does that sudddenly qualify him to manage Man Utd?
Man United should not have a manager learning on the job. Even more importantly, we shouldn't have a manager whose players make comments that he's learnijng on the job, its really patronising and looks terrible. What are we, Make a Wish Foundation or something? We may as well be.
I’ve already spent the money you’ll owe me, in my head.
come on now, everyone should learn on the job
you don't think Fergie learned? he was constantly learning and adapting, as all good managers should
Nothing indicates that the players don't respect him.
Big difference from all three other post-SAF managers, who were either disliked or disrespected in one way or another (which you could spin in different ways, granted - the players themselves, as in: their professionalism and attitude, could be questioned here). Bottom line, though - there isn't anything which indicates that Ole has in any way lost the dressing room.
Big difference from all three other post-SAF managers, who were either disliked or disrespected in one way or another (which you could spin in different ways, granted - the players themselves, as in: their professionalism and attitude, could be questioned here). Bottom line, though - there isn't anything which indicates that Ole has in any way lost the dressing room.
I don't remember players disrespecting LVG
Very good post. Agree with everything apart I was always and I am still always looking forward to our games. Regardless of our status.
I been around so long now that I can say that there is something about that Bruno. It is still way to early to judge but signs are looking good and may it continue many years. The impact on the club he instantly have is nothing else but great.
LVG sent individual e-mails to players, highlighting what they needed to work on - which they (how many "they" were is uncertain) began to ignore after a while, because they felt it was silly and too kindergarten-ish. This emerged after he was sacked and was reported by reputable sources. Just one example. His authoritarian, school master style wasn't appreciated on the whole by the more experienced squad members by all accounts.
No matter what will happen at the end of this season, #OleOut!
“Man Utd should not have a manager that is learning on the job”
This sounds like a 15 year old with literally no life experience.
In fact the majority of negative arguments at this very time towards Ole sound childish and stupid.
Why is Matic playing some of his best football he has at Utd for Ole?
Nobody is using critical thinking before they type these stupid arguments which leads me to believe that a lack of maturity and life experience is behind these weak, stupid arguments.
IF YOUR GRANDPARENTS ARE IN THEIR 70s AND KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU USING SMART PHONES AND EMOJIS AND KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT AFFAIRS USING TECHNOLOGY...GUESS WHAT???? THEY’RE LEARNING ON THE JOB!!!!
WE ARE ALL LEARNING ON THE JOB! INCLUDING THE WORLDS CURRENT BEST MANAGER, WHETHER THATS KLOPP OR PEP!!
This sounds like a 15 year old with literally no life experience.
In fact the majority of negative arguments at this very time towards Ole sound childish and stupid.
Why is Matic playing some of his best football he has at Utd for Ole?
Nobody is using critical thinking before they type these stupid arguments which leads me to believe that a lack of maturity and life experience is behind these weak, stupid arguments.
IF YOUR GRANDPARENTS ARE IN THEIR 70s AND KNOW HOW TO CONTACT YOU USING SMART PHONES AND EMOJIS AND KEEPING UP WITH CURRENT AFFAIRS USING TECHNOLOGY...GUESS WHAT???? THEY’RE LEARNING ON THE JOB!!!!
WE ARE ALL LEARNING ON THE JOB! INCLUDING THE WORLDS CURRENT BEST MANAGER, WHETHER THATS KLOPP OR PEP!!
I stress that this doesn't necessarily paint LVG in a terrible light - as such. At the time my reaction was - actually - that the players ought to have a good look at themselves.
LVG is many things - but he knows a thing or two about football. As a professional footballer on insane wages, the very least one expects is that you read bloody e-mails from your boss.
Nevertheless, the game changes and so forth - as a manager you need to adapt. Perhaps his overly authoritarian style was outdated: might work on youngsters who thrive on a bit of discipline (and whatnot) - not so well on established players with a high opinion of themselves.
Successfull people with a clue, are usually people who never stops learning.
Edit: Nevermind. I see you're already being roasted for this
Tactics or playing style? I don't understand. The mantra used to be "no tactics", never did anyone complain much about style. Of course, it may be you are the exception. How do you separate style from tactics, anyway?
I refer you to the rest of your own post. Pot kettle and all that.
Sometimes you got to make it real clear for those who post without thinking. If you thought the caps and basic examples of life learning is childish and stupid the post was not for you.
Keep it moving.
Well the content was equally stupid to be fair.
Tbh there is some the logic in here I struggle with. I also feel it gets over the top whenever we are struggling in a game and it's not even over and everyone is posting in here.
mb.
But things like, LVG and Mourinho have won it all and had a great CV and weren't equally succesfull therefore we should not hire managers with great CV anymore to be mindnumbingly dumb.
And then these catch phrases like "Poch is a loser". In the PL he has generally broken positive records for Southampton and Spurs. I agree that a FA Cup would be nice on his CV, but in general i never remember Spurs being expected to win the league or CL. He at least took them to the CL final last year, the furtherst they have ever been and also has spurs highest league position and point tally recorded in the Pl era. He had a terrible final season at spurs that's his negative record in his overall PL CV.
Contrast that to Ole who got relegated with Cardiff and then was getting them relegated in championship as well. And now we are far having our worst point tally in a season in 3 decades. You cannot call Poch a loser as an argument for Ole being a winner. If scandanavian league titles are the great CV for managing Man Utd then we might as well hire the recordholder of Danish, swedish or Norwegian league titles, but most people with common sense, that it translates to feck all to the level of the PL.
mb.
But things like, LVG and Mourinho have won it all and had a great CV and weren't equally succesfull therefore we should not hire managers with great CV anymore to be mindnumbingly dumb.
And then these catch phrases like "Poch is a loser". In the PL he has generally broken positive records for Southampton and Spurs. I agree that a FA Cup would be nice on his CV, but in general i never remember Spurs being expected to win the league or CL. He at least took them to the CL final last year, the furtherst they have ever been and also has spurs highest league position and point tally recorded in the Pl era. He had a terrible final season at spurs that's his negative record in his overall PL CV.
Contrast that to Ole who got relegated with Cardiff and then was getting them relegated in championship as well. And now we are far having our worst point tally in a season in 3 decades. You cannot call Poch a loser as an argument for Ole being a winner. If scandanavian league titles are the great CV for managing Man Utd then we might as well hire the recordholder of Danish, swedish or Norwegian league titles, but most people with common sense, that it translates to feck all to the level of the PL.
Ighalo was a necessary signing rather than a panic one. We only had one fit striker by the time the winter window arrived, forcing Ole to make additions to that area. I could be splitting hairs here, but I believe there is a subtle difference between being forced into a decision and one bourne from panic.
I don't know about the whole panic buys stuff, you could be right, but the point I'm trying to make is both Jose and LVG used no form of strategy when signing players, opting for the galactico approach which tends to have consequences on the long term future of the club. We're now experiencing that.
Well they can explain that. But style of play is how your team plays football. Tactics are what you use to nullify your opposition. Using us as an example. What Ole did yo best Spurs last season using two false 9’s playing as wingers with Lingard down the middle. Similarly used by Mourinho to beat Conte the year before.
There are some concerns I have about Ole's playing style and tactics specifically when we're trailing, and there is a risk of losing Poch if we stick with him. But at the minute I'm still with Solskjaer particularly if we have a strong finish. However, if we don't hit the ground running at the start of next season, then it gets harder to defend him. We'll see.
Surprised these sort of threads keep going. It’s as clear as day things are really coming together now, regardless of how the season finishes. He’s clearly tactically astute, the players love him, the players play for him, his signings are all on point, the style of play is evolving and entertaining, we’ve cleared a load of crap out the club. If we finish top 4 or with a trophy we’ve had a great season and will only get better. No need to reset this process when we are only 1 year in to it. Ive loved the Ole era so far to be honest best times since Fergie.
I dont really see how you can disregard how the season finishes, its the overall indication of his and the squads performance.
I have been fully against Ole since he was announced as manager. I’ve slated him numerous times but at this point I’m starting to think he should be given the time to re-build, his signings have been solid additions and obviously Since the arrival of Bruno things have really lifted around the club.
If we get the right players in and out during the summer I fully believe it’ll cement us as a top 4 team, then all of a sudden the club looks to be in a really healthy position again.
If we get the right players in and out during the summer I fully believe it’ll cement us as a top 4 team, then all of a sudden the club looks to be in a really healthy position again.
Yes, he definitely was but he shed his L plates long before. Ole makes amateur managerial moves at times, highly concerning for a bloke who's been managing for 10yrs.
If you think the same won't happen when Ole leaves the club, you are mistaken. Players chuck the manager under the bus immediately to make themselves look like the victims and gain sympathy from the fans/new manager to give them another chance. I guarantee that when it starts looking like Ole is getting fired, the leaks will begin from within the dressing room about how 'the players were always unsure about him' or 'his methods confused the squad'. Damage limitation.
See this attitude pisses me off . We are United . What in hell does that even start to mean ?
It means nothing, tell that to AC Milan or Liverpool or Arsenal .
Ole has started to turn around the disasters of Moyes LVG and to a lesser extent Mourinhos signings . We actually look like we are going somewhere for the first time since Ferguson retired . I'm glad match going fans can see this and not have opinions like half the glory hunters on here
Example?
Sure, wouldn't be surprised to see that if/when he gets fired.
Nevertheless, the positive vibes spread by his players at the moment do seem different to what we saw under previous managers. The general impression is that they actually like the fecker - not just lip service for the sake of it. Even players who have left, permanently or on loan, seem to think well enough of him - and several players (like Rashford, not least) have come out with statements about how he has improved them (which they didn't have to do).
Does it matter? Not really. Everyone's just looking out for number one at the end of the day, and what we get from the media should be treated with due skepticism - but still: there isn't any reason to think he's lost the players (and there were plenty of reasons to think that under previous managers, well before they were fired).
Both of whom went down the route of trusting past players to manage them with disastrous results...
I'd say Ancelotti did pretty well for Milan. Dalglish for Liverpool too (the first time).
Or even worse - a person who actually tolerates players speaking in media, rather than LvG or Mourinho who would have put the player on the transferlist. Some people seem to think management by fear is good - usually the same people who has never tried it.
Trust me - it doesn't work
In fairness - all managers learn on the job. A manager who learns nothing in 3 years will be fired because there will be other managers who learn a lot in the same period.
Even Ferguson admitted he made lots of mistakes. Every manager makes tons of mistakes - every season, but the best managers are the ones who learn the most. Personally - I never forget my biggest mistakes at school, or at my office - but I dont remember hundreds of things I did right.
I don't think players have a problem with a manager who admits he isn't God - I think they have a much bigger problem with a manager who thinks he is God. And I think they have the most problems with a manager who makes mistakes and doesn't correct them.
Pochettino once quipped “Trophies are only good for ego.”
Now that my friend is delusion.
With Chelsea continuing to drop points, if Ole doesn't get the top 4, he should be sacked immediately at the conclusion of the season. It's almost inexcusable now.
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This. Add it and reopen the poll someone?
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