On Repeat Forever
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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On Repeat Forever
Nar, Jose bought players generally with a good mentality but I think another poster put it well yesterday when he said that Jose was brought in for instant success and if that is your mandate then of course you’d prefer to sig Willian over Dan James for example.
The club clearly got, for want of a better word, “fed up” of that strategy and changed everything in Summer 2018 when they brought in the transfer committee. The club and not solely the manager now target players with ability and mental strength and Ole is simply a cog in the wheel of that process; rather than our old method of demanding instant success from a manager and giving him full control of transfers. It pissed Mourinho off beyond imagination but in the long run I’ve repeated again and again that it was a huge step forward for the club, almost like having a DoF but in the form of a committee rather than one man.
I find it awfully funny - and not in a good way - that a player says such things about a manager.
But I guess this is what happens when it appears the whole club is invested in project 'Let's make Ole a Man United manager'.
I think it's quite clear the team will be better next year. They're already a better team with Fernandes in the side.
On top of that Greenwood, Rashford, Williams, James, AWB and McT should all improve given how young they are.
Add a couple of decent signings in the Summer and there's every reason to be optimistic.
Everything is relative - £80 million for Maguire is much, but at the same time - tell me one central defender that was available that would give us the qualities Maguire has ? Is he VVD ? No - but there is no VVD available. So I would rather we spent £80 million on Maguire - who was bound to be a success than spend £60 million on a player who might flop, or might in time turn out to be even better than Maguire. But we don't need a central defender who will be good in 2 years - we needed one who was good now
Who do the majority of people want in to replace Ole? Surely not Poch who had a fantastic Spurs side sat in 14th when he was sacked and has never won a trophy?
Award winner for deluded post of the day.
Disturbing when players had to say it open their manager is learning and getting better. Don't know how much respect he is getting in the dressing room.
Poch is one manager I dont want near us. Pretty much zero success and his comments about trophies are for egos certainly ain't the type of manager we need to be running things for next 3 to 4 years, if we are going to get rid of Ole.
He has quite the following too Poch. 2nd coming of christ with some
If the club where to replace Ole I would like them to be adventurous and go for one of the german managers. The football they play is delightful.
Imagine any player giving such a patronizing comment about their manager. Any player. Any club.
But this too is acceptable for us.
I’m not pointing at anyone in particular, funny how you get offended by me writing about plastic fans.....“Spreads shit”....
Results are mix of everything. Of course he improved our team. Getting a player that knows how to open up other teams. Getting back players from injuries. Starting to understand tactics even more. There is mix of lot that have contributed to our results of lately.
What guys are not taking us back at top? Do you mean players or our manager? Or both? It is certain that we need couple of more players. But we are seeing progress. Even if we win or lose next 3-4 games we are taking steps forward.
I would be saying same whoever came, as long as I saw progress and the vision. With Moyes I only saw destruction. VanGaal should have had more time. My let-Solskjaer-get-time has nothing to do with Solskjaer as a former player. Why didn’t I defend and wanted Giggs when he was our takecare manager? He is even ”bigger” legend?
I didn’t get the answer. Would you say that Guardiola and Klopp are mediocre managers and only lucky having very good players? Or should they get credit and rightfully being called top class for getting their teams winning? And if so, why shouldn’t Solskjaer get credit when our team is winning? And not just saying it is because of players.
I’m always up for easy money. What’s the bet?
Hey I want in. Solskjaer will not be United manager this time next season. One hundy stick.
We had a fully fit squad at the start of the reason and except for going full pelt at the opposition.. there wasn’t an improvement in the football. To make it probably very simple. I don’t believe Ole‘s team plays good football and I don’t think getting him better players will improve this. Yes naturally better players will see you play with more style when your told to go out there and just express yourself but i don’t see anything within his teams that indicates and actual attractive style of play.
To answer your Pep Klopp question this is what I see from them. Even when they didn’t have the players the style has always been there. There teams have got better with the better quality around them. Being fair to Ole I would also give him that level of patience that his team will get better with better players. My thing is he’s not good even to get a Klopp Pep improvement from it. We aren’t going to get a player the level of Mo Salah and then become title contenders from this manager. Another manager very much more likely.
Nah, I know I'm giving away value because the chance he gets fired for Poch
I'd take that bet if he's still here on the first game of the season, though
Clever.
But I will then need that hundy stick to buy booze to drown my matchday sorrows next season.
Bang on the money.
I’m not offended, I’m amused.
Still can’t believe 50% of this thread want Ole gone despite the excellent rebuilding job he has done.
Far too many people can’t see past a few games at a time
Far too many people can’t see past a few games at a time
Being 5th this time next season but with more points isn’t being better.
You want a clear view of being better I have you one.
We’ll be top three. Back your boy Ole and make the bet
I swear I've flip flopped on this so many times. Earlier on in the season, after results like West Ham, Newcastle, Villa etc, I was firmly in the Ole has to go camp. Now (and please call me stupid and crazy for saying this, cause I quite likely am), I'm not so sure.
I just feel like this plan that he has is starting to come together, some of our results this season have been really, really good. We've won twice at the Etihad and Stamford Bridge this season, and with Bruno we seem to be slowly getting over our struggles against the smaller teams who defend. To take it to the next step, he needs to bring consistency.
What Ole does with Pogba is pivotal, if he convinces him to stay and give his all for Man Utd then that could take us to the next level, if not then the reinvestment of that money is crucial.
I'm struggling to see Liverpool or Man City's dominance being broken next year, but I'm looking at the 20/21 season as a season where potentially we could mount a title challenge.
You're hoping the likes of Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Maguire, Fred, Martial, Shaw, AWB are all coming into the peak of their careers, and with 4/5 top quality additions on top then that is looking like a real quality side.
I don't know if I'm being crazy tbh, part of me wants to see where Ole takes us, part of me wants him gone. I want him to succeed, but have we really seen enough so far to merit any faith? The one thing I will say is that if Ole gets sacked at the end of the season, whoever replaces him will have an easier job than Ole had. The players have given their all this season, but a severe lack of quality (mainly Pereira, Lingard, Jones) have held us back, along with a terrible start. But at least we no longer have to see the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez, who never seemed to fit at this club.
I just feel like this plan that he has is starting to come together, some of our results this season have been really, really good. We've won twice at the Etihad and Stamford Bridge this season, and with Bruno we seem to be slowly getting over our struggles against the smaller teams who defend. To take it to the next step, he needs to bring consistency.
What Ole does with Pogba is pivotal, if he convinces him to stay and give his all for Man Utd then that could take us to the next level, if not then the reinvestment of that money is crucial.
I'm struggling to see Liverpool or Man City's dominance being broken next year, but I'm looking at the 20/21 season as a season where potentially we could mount a title challenge.
You're hoping the likes of Bruno, Pogba, Rashford, Maguire, Fred, Martial, Shaw, AWB are all coming into the peak of their careers, and with 4/5 top quality additions on top then that is looking like a real quality side.
I don't know if I'm being crazy tbh, part of me wants to see where Ole takes us, part of me wants him gone. I want him to succeed, but have we really seen enough so far to merit any faith? The one thing I will say is that if Ole gets sacked at the end of the season, whoever replaces him will have an easier job than Ole had. The players have given their all this season, but a severe lack of quality (mainly Pereira, Lingard, Jones) have held us back, along with a terrible start. But at least we no longer have to see the likes of Lukaku and Sanchez, who never seemed to fit at this club.
Votes are closed and if they changed their view that would actually be them not seeing pas a few games at a time. As in it wasn’t this rosey 3 weeks ago.
It's hard to get a coherent point of view of if that fella.
Being 5th this time next season but with more points isn’t being better.
You want a clear view of being better I have you one.
We’ll be top three. Back your boy Ole and make the bet
nice bit of backtracking there
but its only ten quid so go on then!
I personally wouldn’t attribute this rebuild job solely onto him. I think he probably has a say in things and gives an approval for actions, but I don’t think he has the power that LVG or Jose had. Those guys seemed to have free reign to sign whoever they wanted and could veto any players identified by the club, like how the club had Kroos lined up but LVG said no.
It seems like after we signed Sánchez, the penny dropped for the club and they decided that Jose would be cut off from resources and we’d try going the route of doing it our way. I’d be absolutely amazed if the club gave a manager like OGS, who lets be honest doesn’t have the greatest track record in terms of managing at the top level, free reign at Utd.
I‘m starting to think OGS might get the credit for laying foundations when he’s no longer here (whenever that may be), but in reality it was a joint effort by the club for which OGS was a part of.
That’s actually refreshing. We got a manager that has to better himself by learning every day. He makes mistakes and he has to stand tall or feck off. Sounds like a real life human?
How’s that back tracking. Why would I be happy if we had more points next season but 8th for instance.But deal. It might not make it past May.
If we are 8th with more point at this point next season is that an improvement?
But deal. It might not make it past May.
It’s quite illogical to measure progress by position for the purpose of this bet. We could improve a lot next season, let’s say 8 more points after 27 games and be In the same position on account of 4 other teams having more consistent seasons. So you’d be measuring Ole’s progress based on other teams performances.
You really, really, really want to be right, don't you? If, IF!, we get better, and it's a player like Bruno who tips the balance, you will never give the manager part of the credit? Ask yourself, what will it take to change your mind. If the answer is nothing, you're very likely in the wrong.
One of the main arguments of the Ole outs have been no tactics. If the system is such that a player like Bruno can come in and change our fortunes, and I'm not saying that's happened yet, still early days of Bruno. But if that's the case, will the manager get no credit for this? And will the argument of no tactics still stand, or does one player coming in change everything, all on his own?
What? You’re just being too technical. So Liverpool’s team is better than our 99 team because they will have more points?
If we are higher than we are now next season we have improved. The context is irrelevant for this simple bet.
Tactics or playing style? Every coach has tactics he’s style is just Mourinho esq. He gets away with it because he’s not Mourinho. We’ve got a big game tomorrow he’ll probably do the same tactics as Chelsea. I don’t care if it gets us the points... however I really didn’t care if Mourinho’s tactics won us a league But when are we going to get fed up of this 6 years of dire football.
It’s a more accurate measurement for the purposes of a single bet.
Neither measure is perfect. We could improve and get fewer points, for example. But points is better, clearly.
No it’s not if we have less point next season than now but are top of the League your not going to argue with me that we haven’t improved
There were obvious similarities last season, no doubt (after the so-called honeymoon period where he seemed to revert to what the players were generally familiar with).
This season - not so much, I would say. As others have pointed out, we seem to aim for playing out from the back on principle - which has been detrimental in some cases, even, but sticking to a certain principle (a certain fixed style) is something many have insisted on as a sign of progress (i.e. it's supposedly what Klopp and Pep did).
As for sitting back and hitting 'em on the counter (Mourinho style, if you will) - this isn't something we have done to any remarkable degree if you look, statistically, at the type of goals we have actually scored this season. Percentage wise, we're very much on par with Liverpool in that respect. And on par with most teams that are considered "progressive" these days - the outliers here are teams that go in for what you could almost (in 2020) call dogmatic possession football - like Pep's City (they hardly ever score from sheer counter attacks).
Times have changed and ruling with fear doesn’t work anymore. OGS worked with the youngsters and has experience of that. I like the fact a couple of players have said he is learning, who expected otherwise? Who thought Ole was going to win the league in his first season? I’d rather see players give honest opinions than the same PR fed crap.
None of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes, but given performances recently I’d say he still has that dressing room. They wouldn’t be performing like they are if he didn’t, which means learning or not they still have belief. You just need to watch the last games of Jose’s tenure to see what a lost dressing room looked like.
We need to move on from the past; the Fergie years were spectacular but now we need to build a new era in the club, a new cult of heroes. Can OGS spearhead that new era? Who knows, I certainly don’t. I’m currently pretty excited about the rest of the season though. I think Ole’s tactics are working, apparently with The Messiah being the one to unlock it all. Imagine how many goals Rashford will get linking with Bruno. He was wanting this performance from Lingard or Pereira who just weren’t able to do it. A rising tide lifts all boats, and Bruno might just be that tide. None of the big names we brought in have had this much impact on the other players around him although some certainly started well.
Let’s see what happens against Everton and City. I’m looking forward to watching a United games again now.
None of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes, but given performances recently I’d say he still has that dressing room. They wouldn’t be performing like they are if he didn’t, which means learning or not they still have belief. You just need to watch the last games of Jose’s tenure to see what a lost dressing room looked like.
We need to move on from the past; the Fergie years were spectacular but now we need to build a new era in the club, a new cult of heroes. Can OGS spearhead that new era? Who knows, I certainly don’t. I’m currently pretty excited about the rest of the season though. I think Ole’s tactics are working, apparently with The Messiah being the one to unlock it all. Imagine how many goals Rashford will get linking with Bruno. He was wanting this performance from Lingard or Pereira who just weren’t able to do it. A rising tide lifts all boats, and Bruno might just be that tide. None of the big names we brought in have had this much impact on the other players around him although some certainly started well.
Let’s see what happens against Everton and City. I’m looking forward to watching a United games again now.
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