Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[90 + 5min]

Looking at other aspects he’s failing as well, poor argument to say people need to look beyond results.

Very few people actually think getting rid of Ole will be instant sunshine and rainbows, that’s just a lazy statement to try and dismiss an argument you don’t like.

But that is pretty much what lot of Ole-out is saying. If we only sacked Ole... We would still have problems with avarege squad that needs fixing.

It's true Guardiola came from nothing and many people thought it was a big risk and that risk paid off but the big difference between Guardiola (and Klopp) was they showed from the start they had great potential. One thing is certain though. If Guardiola was in the position Ole is in now he would of been out the door quick time. Do you think Solari would of been good enough if given 3 years and a large transfer kitty? Top managers are quite easy to spot but so too are managers who just aren't good enough and I'll use Moyes as an example.

A lot of us here have played football at different levels and we don't need a UEFA coaching badge to see that Ole isn't good enough so I think you should stop over complicating things and just face reality. Common sense, a basic footballing understanding and 2 eyes are enough for most people to make up their minds about Ole.

For me that is just to simplified. A good coach can have bad spell and a bad coach can have good spel. It is not that Easy to spot right away.

I didn’t say you couldn’t see and have opinion. I said that I think lot of you would be talking diffrenly.

I always wondered how religious and cult leaders managed to amass a big following. Now I know they do not actually have to try too hard, just find the community of people willing to believe their lies, the rest the followers will do themselves. They will even make up things in their own head to justify their beliefs contrary to what the evidence might suggest.

I cannot believe you are suggesting stats and facts are different? Is it not a part of the process of finding the truth. The stat from people falling from a 10-storey building says nearly 100% of the time you die, so then its a fact that you will not survive falling from such height. Then the logic should dictate that you should not attempt it.

This argument keeps on coming up every often about needing time. I don't know of any field of work where after a year in the role with no progress in terms of numbers or clear identifiable short-term targets being met that employers still think of giving more time. At the very least Ole should have been able to install some sort style to the team, there is nothing like that to be seen yet. It's all wishful thinking at this point.

Then there is clearing deadwood and bringing players fit for the club argument. The deadwood is doing much better than the players we have. When a manager spends 80+million on a central defender when your team clearly has problems scoring goals especially when you know you have a limited budget is the first clue that he's not good enough. This is even more idiotic when you know that you are loaded in central defense to go and add one more defender for such a big price. And what does he do on top of that, he goes and buys a relatively inexperienced right-back with a known deficiency in attacking side. You let go of an attacker after the window has closed while still paying part of his wage (I do not believe that Woodward was happy with this arrangement, it's on Ole). What a way to make your attack even more impotent. What he is doing is surrounding himself with players who he gets along with and not necessarily the ones who are ambitious, they are then named as not fitting the culture of the club and some of the fans lap it up. That is why Pogba also wants to leave.

This injuries argument keeps on coming over and over again, I don't know which teams has all its players fit and available throughout the year. A tactical manager with a system can easily replace an injured or suspended player and still be able to get results against most of the teams. He's in fact directly responsible for some of the long-term injuries, I don't know how one can bring up this injury argument.

And finally, the stupid tactics or the lack thereof, of playing 2 DMs against sides that have no attacking intentions or starting Dan James against teams that defend in numbers or the 88th minute substitutions (even when desperately chasing a game, I mean its has the exact opposite effect) or overplaying certain players to the point of burnout to save his own arse (even in stupid cups against league 1 opposition) so that he'll have some wins in the middle of horrible results.

I think these are enough reasons for a rational person to see that Ole has no business managing Man Utd. That's why I called you guys Ole fans because if it was any other manager with no previous connections to the club, threads like these most probably wouldn't exist. I think at this point, the Ole inners are never going to change their mind no matter what.

I believe that Pogba wanted to leave when Mourinho was manager to. Has nothing to do with Solskjaer.

I see that you have every excuse that everything is our managers fault. If you can’t accept that results depend on more then a manager then it is hard to discuss. For example. To ignore injuries on our best players and making it that it is so Easy to replace means only that we have different look at football.

 

[Roboc7]

But that is pretty much what lot of Ole-out is saying. If we only sacked Ole... We would still have problems with avarege squad that needs fixing.


For me that is just to simplified. A good coach can have bad spell and a bad coach can have good spel. It is not that Easy to spot right away.

I didn’t say you couldn’t see and have opinion. I said that I think lot of you would be talking diffrenly.


I believe that Pogba wanted to leave when Mourinho was manager to. Has nothing to do with Solskjaer.

I see that you have every excuse that everything is our managers fault. If you can’t accept that results depend on more then a manager then it is hard to discuss. For example. To ignore injuries on our best players and making it that it is so Easy to replace means only that we have different look at football.

No it’s appoint someone competent and qualified to do the job who can offer progression not regression. Few are expecting an instant title challenge just an improvement on the dross Ole is serving up.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

On course for the lowest point tally in over 30 years, saying our rivals putting out their best squad means they respect us, playing Rashford - a fan favoirite through injury in the third round of fa cup which has sidelined him for a long period, consistently failing to capitalize on top 4 rivals dropping points since last season up to this season, the sarr rape case,... Let's be honest, if Moyes did all this he would have been crucified. Can you imagine if Moyes played our beloved Rashford in the 3rd round of fa cup and he got injured then comes out to say the he Rashford has been playing through pain and he knew he was risking him?

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

On course for the lowest point tally in over 30 years, saying our rivals putting out their best squad means they respect us, playing Rashford - a fan favoirite through injury in the third round of fa cup which has sidelined him for a long period, consistently failing to capitalize on top 4 rivals dropping points since last season up to this season, the sarr rape case,... Let's be honest, if Moyes did all this he would have been crucified. Can you imagine if Moyes played our beloved Rashford in the 3rd round of fa cup and he got injured then comes out to say the he Rashford has been playing through pain and he knew he was risking him?

Moyes doing or saying anything Ole has done or said would have resulted in the Plane Banner being unfurled months ago. It's as simple as that.

 

[Kurton]

But that is pretty much what lot of Ole-out is saying. If we only sacked Ole... We would still have problems with avarege squad that needs fixing.


For me that is just to simplified. A good coach can have bad spell and a bad coach can have good spel. It is not that Easy to spot right away.

I didn’t say you couldn’t see and have opinion. I said that I think lot of you would be talking diffrenly.


I believe that Pogba wanted to leave when Mourinho was manager to. Has nothing to do with Solskjaer.

I see that you have every excuse that everything is our managers fault. If you can’t accept that results depend on more then a manager then it is hard to discuss. For example. To ignore injuries on our best players and making it that it is so Easy to replace means only that we have different look at football.

I did not give any excuse, excuses come from a defendant side. I'm accusing Ole of all the stupid decisions that have lead to the position that we find ourselves in. Any sane manager would have identified that we need attackers to score goals against 70% of shit sides that we face in the league. Maximum points from these games could easily have us in the top 4, then it wouldn't even matter if we get hammered against the top 6 sides. That is how Poch managed to keep Spurs in top 4. But what does Ole do, blow all the budget on defenders or right back without any attacking prowess?

I think it's the Ole in group that have this vision that its all on players that once improved upon will automatically improve results. Why need a manager/coach then, just buy the best players you can find for each position and we are fixed. What is the reason for the horrendous set of games at the end of last season, I believe the team was much better than what it is now (I don't know why I'm asking this anyway as I already know the excuses, players not fit enough, Ole did not have time to implement his style, deadwood, etc. etc. but you guys are happy to attribute the new manager bounce to Ole). You guys speak as if we have crap players, while many of them are internationals. Its like a circular argument, the manager can't coach players to perform, so players are crap. There are always these imaginary players who will make us better but none of them who join us seem to be able to do that. So the cycle continues.

Yes, Pogba wanted to leave under Mourinho because their working relationship was beyond broken. Ole seems to have a good rapport with Pogba, what is the excuse now for Pogba wanting to leave? Is it because he sees Ole has no clue what he's doing? You lost your own argument.

I presented you with a list of reasons, you seem to have conveniently ignored to address them. Let us pick one, can you defend the 88th minute subs when chasing the game. Can you at least give a rationale behind that decision of Ole?

 

[Kurton]

1. He took Spurs to a CL final, which in itself is a strong indicator he could one day be a title winning manager.
2. What Ole has done before matters enormously. SAF and Klopp and any other manager people laughably try and compare Ole with all have one thing in common - they were already successful before they were given time. That meant top players bought into their philosophy and wanted to come and play for them. Players already at the clubs were often desperate to impress them, because they wanted to be on the success bandwagon they could sense was coming.

How many United players do you honestly think are expecting the club to find success under Ole? Probably none. How many top players are clamouring to come and be on the bus with Ole at the wheel? None.

Did you see the sheer hypocrisy in that post you replied to? Poch has won nothing so it suggests he's unlikely to win something any time soon, so we should consider that before appointing him. But in the immediate next line he goes on to suggest when it comes to Ole, it doesn't matter what Ole has done before we should blindly support him. This shows what Ole in brigade are all about. With fans like these, I think e deserve the mediocrity that we'll have.

 

[momo83]

There is the problem.

Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...tor-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?

 

[langster]

The absolute dire, tumescent football we play is the death knell for me. For all the talk of him understanding the club and the way we should play he is arguably the most defensive coach we've had since Fergie. The squad he is building is indicative of this.

Wow, you have a very short memory.

Manchester United 0 West Bromich Albion 1

LvG

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV

 

[USREDEVIL]

Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV

Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.

 

[Gehrman]

Can we all agree that Ole's track record or CV shows he's under qualified to coach one of the biggest clubs in the world. When such an unqualified person is in charge of such a big organization all eyes are on him and he is put on a very short leash. Meaning results are expected no matter the circumstances or else people can easily criticize him "I told you he wasn't qualified for the job". Looking at his CV the only way Ole should keep his job is if he actually overachieves.. That's how he got the job in the first place.

He's currently underachieving and is now proving he is not qualified enough for the job. He has to overachieve again if he wants to stay in charge. And by that I mean results and performances. Nobody gives a shit about what an under qualified manager does outside the pitch. Whether he promotes youth or clears deadwood or buys the right players.. All these can still be done when he's gone.

None of Guardiola or Zidane would have lasted long if they didn't deliver instantly. Those two managers were clearly unqualified for their jobs but they didn't just achieve things. They overachieved and did things none of their predecessors did. That's how an under qualified manager should keep his job. You have to constantly prove you're fit for the job because everybody thinks you're not good enough when they look at your past. The only way an under qualified manager like Ole should keep his job is by overachieving and shocking everyone. Right now he has us at 8th on course to our lowest points tally in 30 years, all this has shown is that he is living up to his poor CV

No, the Ole in fans are convinced that Ole has suddenly entered the worlds best elite of managers and that no one but Klopp or Pep would improve us.

 

[roonster09]

Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...tor-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?

I didn't say DoF is more important than manager.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.

Funnily enough Nagelsmann just backed up my point "It's normal if Real Madrid call you [in 2018], you think about it, If you go, there's no time to improve as a manager. You don't have a chance to be a better manager, you already have to be the best. They only want to see victories every game, titles, Champions League trophies."

 

[b82REZ]

Wow, you have a very short memory.

Manchester United 0 West Bromich Albion 1

LvG

And LvG was deservedly sacked, as Ole should be.

Performances this year have been around the level of LvGs second season, if not worse.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...tor-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?

Bang. Knockout overhand, mate. They won't admit the truth. Always something to blame that isn't Ole. Until he goes and we do improve. Unless we hire Neil Warnock but then again he's also more proven in Cardiff context...

 

[mu4c_20le]

Michael Edwards is currently the highly rated DOF of Liverpool. But funnily enough previously he was blamed for poor recruitment and missing out on great players when Rodgers got sacked. Even more ironic he wasn’t even DOF at that time but got promoted later on. Here is blamed for all that’s wrong at Liverpoolhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...s-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html

Probably ends the myth of DOF being more important then manager.

Here he is, 4 years later, praised as one of the best https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ci...tor-michael-edwards-rose-to-the-very-top/amp/

What changed in that 4 years?

No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

Pretty much. If you didn't do enough to have a legit CV then you have to make up for it in-job, as you say.

I don't get why this is so difficult for Oles Cult to see.

Many people are hired above their station. It's on them to prove the interviewers were right to gamble based on things they saw in that person. If they don't goodbye. Mistake, move on.

They gambled on a shit CV based on something they saw that has now failed.

 

[roonster09]

Bang. Knockout overhand, mate. They won't admit the truth. Always something to blame that isn't Ole. Until he goes and we do improve. Unless we hire Neil Warnock but then again he's also more proven in Cardiff context...

 

[roonster09]

No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward

Exactly and that post doesn't even make sense in the context.

 

[Greck]

I've been Ole to be sacked at end of season because getting an interim for the long shot of coming 4th is pointless. If city's ban makes 5th a CL position I'm all for an immediate dismissal because that's a very realistic goal. I know Ole ins will argue to give him till end of season for the exact reason but we can agree to disagree

Edit: whatever cost we would have saved by waiting till June will now be worth it if the risk pays off and we make CL. Makes sense for the money men upstairs

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Get rid immediately while 5th is still a realistic possibility. The football gods are doing everything to hand us CL qualification on a plate this season - we can't feck it up now.

 

[momo83]

No, the Ole in fans are convinced that Ole has suddenly entered the worlds best elite of managers and that no one but Klopp or Pep would improve us.

Actually. They even argue that Klopp or Pep wouldn’t do any better with what Ole has.

 

[momo83]

No one said the DOF is more important than the manager, and this comes off like a very weird way to defend Woodward

Who said anything about Woodward? It’s a simple before and after showing how the perception of one man changed from clueless to highly competent within 4 years. Only thing that changed was the manager... also I really doubt that while Rodgers was challenging for the title the media were calling Edward a failure.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Hmm.

If we lose to Chelsea, we’ll be a pathetic, but deserved, 9th in the league - and have a rare opportunity to get CL football by finishing 5th.

Ed would have a decent excuse to replace him at that point. And the new manager buzz would probably secure top 5 at least. Pogba would suddenly be fit again & partner with B. Fernandes.

 

[Andycoleno9]

We must act now ffs. We are so so lucky this year. Despite awful form we can still now reach CL. Not to mention that Pochettino will surely go in City if Pep leaves.

If we stick with Ole we will ruin this season and next.

 

[Class of 63]

We must act now ffs. We are so so lucky this year. Despite awful form we can still now reach CL. Not to mention that Pochettino will surely go in City if Pep leaves.

If we stick with Ole we will ruin this season and next.

They'd be welcome to him.

 

[InspiRED]

What he is doing is surrounding himself with players who he gets along with and not necessarily the ones who are ambitious, they are then named as not fitting the culture of the club and some of the fans lap it up.

Yes! Was going to post about this because the thing that really sticks out for me about Ole’s reign is offloading Lukaku, who was actually a large part of his new manager bounce.

The most logical explanation is he’s surrounding himself with players he feels comfortable with. Younger Man Utd youth teams type who he works well with and often improves. But it’s one of the most undermining aspects of his leadership that he couldn’t handle the big egos about and represents for me a complete failure to manage the resources available to him effectively.

I’m so sick of seeing the ‘deadwood’ argument left, right and centre and the way it’s just accepted as a some kind of universal truth; like saying the earth goes round the sun or water boils at 100 degrees. We got rid of or loaned out the ‘deadwood’ and now we’re worse. Plus where was all the deadwood talk during the ‘new manager bounce’? And what’s the solution now we’re worse, get rid of more deadwood?

 

[Leftback99]

We must act now ffs. We are so so lucky this year. Despite awful form we can still now reach CL. Not to mention that Pochettino will surely go in City if Pep leaves.

If we stick with Ole we will ruin this season and next.

What makes you think Poch would be an instant success to achieve anything this season? He had poor starts at both Southampton and Spurs.

 

[James Ward]

What makes you think Poch would be an instant success to achieve anything this season? He had poor starts at both Southampton and Spurs.

I'd take Big Sam right about now over Ole.

 

[Lee565]

Even the Ole in brigade will be running out of excuses if 5th place get ucl football and Ole still messes up not getting champions league football.

 

[Kurton]

Yes! Was going to post about this because the thing that really sticks out for me about Ole’s reign is offloading Lukaku, who was actually a large part of his new manager bounce.

The most logical explanation is he’s surrounding himself with players he feels comfortable with. Younger Man Utd youth teams type who he works well with and often improves. But it’s one of the most undermining aspects of his leadership that he couldn’t handle the big egos about and represents for me a complete failure to manage the resources available to him effectively.

I’m so sick of seeing the ‘deadwood’ argument left, right and centre and the way it’s just accepted as a some kind of universal truth; like saying the earth goes round the sun or water boils at 100 degrees. We got rid of or loaned out the ‘deadwood’ and now we’re worse. Plus where was all the deadwood talk during the ‘new manager bounce’? And what’s the solution now we’re worse, get rid of more deadwood?

This deadwood argument is like one of those arguments from creationists, made up stories to fit an already existing agenda. The real deadwood is Jones, Rojo, Bailly (because they just can't stay fit) and Lingard (who's focus is not football at all, no manager is changing that) most of whom Ole regularly plays.

 

[Andycoleno9]

What makes you think Poch would be an instant success to achieve anything this season? He had poor starts at both Southampton and Spurs.

I am not talking about this season only. Poch is far better option than failed Cardiff manager for this season and for the next. If we wait to long, he will go somewhere else. And there is always that new manager impact.
With new manager i am pretty sure that we will be 5th.

Wait, you really think that Poch is not better option for us than our failed Cardiff manager?

 

[90 + 5min]

No it’s appoint someone competent and qualified to do the job who can offer progression not regression. Few are expecting an instant title challenge just an improvement on the dross Ole is serving up.

Getting players fit and getting players with quality will improve.

On course for the lowest point tally in over 30 years, saying our rivals putting out their best squad means they respect us, playing Rashford - a fan favoirite through injury in the third round of fa cup which has sidelined him for a long period, consistently failing to capitalize on top 4 rivals dropping points since last season up to this season, the sarr rape case,... Let's be honest, if Moyes did all this he would have been crucified. Can you imagine if Moyes played our beloved Rashford in the 3rd round of fa cup and he got injured then comes out to say the he Rashford has been playing through pain and he knew he was risking him?

Give me a break. What is next? Solskjaer is for war in world because he don't give any statement that he is against it? That he is for poverty and hunger because he don't give any statement?

If Moyes was in Solskjaer position I would still think he need time. But Moyes was in lot better position when he came. You can't even compare that.

I did not give any excuse, excuses come from a defendant side. I'm accusing Ole of all the stupid decisions that have lead to the position that we find ourselves in. Any sane manager would have identified that we need attackers to score goals against 70% of shit sides that we face in the league. Maximum points from these games could easily have us in the top 4, then it wouldn't even matter if we get hammered against the top 6 sides. That is how Poch managed to keep Spurs in top 4. But what does Ole do, blow all the budget on defenders or right back without any attacking prowess?

I think it's the Ole in group that have this vision that its all on players that once improved upon will automatically improve results. Why need a manager/coach then, just buy the best players you can find for each position and we are fixed. What is the reason for the horrendous set of games at the end of last season, I believe the team was much better than what it is now (I don't know why I'm asking this anyway as I already know the excuses, players not fit enough, Ole did not have time to implement his style, deadwood, etc. etc. but you guys are happy to attribute the new manager bounce to Ole). You guys speak as if we have crap players, while many of them are internationals. Its like a circular argument, the manager can't coach players to perform, so players are crap. There are always these imaginary players who will make us better but none of them who join us seem to be able to do that. So the cycle continues.

Yes, Pogba wanted to leave under Mourinho because their working relationship was beyond broken. Ole seems to have a good rapport with Pogba, what is the excuse now for Pogba wanting to leave? Is it because he sees Ole has no clue what he's doing? You lost your own argument.

I presented you with a list of reasons, you seem to have conveniently ignored to address them. Let us pick one, can you defend the 88th minute subs when chasing the game. Can you at least give a rationale behind that decision of Ole?

So you think it is our manager fault that we chased lot of attackers but couldn't finnish any deals?

Pogba never wanted to come to Manchester. And he wants out as soon as he can. Nothing to do with any manager. I was against buying him back because he and his agent showed how much they cared when Fergie put his foot down and he left for Juventus.

While I don't know the exactly thoughts our coaching team had I believe that putting Dalot and Lingard gave us fresh legs. Mata and James played a lot and we needed more energy. Yes, there is maybe hard to understand why putting on more defensive player and one that is far from any kind of form but we don't have players (injuries /thin squad) that we could use as great subs that game.

Did you see the sheer hypocrisy in that post you replied to? Poch has won nothing so it suggests he's unlikely to win something any time soon, so we should consider that before appointing him. But in the immediate next line he goes on to suggest when it comes to Ole, it doesn't matter what Ole has done before we should blindly support him. This shows what Ole in brigade are all about. With fans like these, I think e deserve the mediocrity that we'll have.

Still missing the point. I'll try to explain again.
Poster said something about how Solskjaer didn't have anything to show for him getting ManUtd job. While I agree that he wasn't the best guy, he got the job. Then people say that we should hire Pochettino to win titles. I said, what has he won that show he would be taking titles to Old Trafford when he won zero titles as a manager. That was my reply to what has Solskajer done. Then I said that what they have done in past is not messure what they can achive in ManUtd. Solskjaer or Pochettino or whoever maybe goes on winning streak desite not winning in previous clubs (Although Solskjaer got league titles)

 

[Joseunited]

Getting players fit and getting players with quality will improve.


Give me a break. What is next? Solskjaer is for war in world because he don't give any statement that he is against it? That he is for poverty and hunger because he don't give any statement?

If Moyes was in Solskjaer position I would still think he need time. But Moyes was in lot better position when he came. You can't even compare that.


So you think it is our manager fault that we chased lot of attackers but couldn't finnish any deals?

Pogba never wanted to come to Manchester. And he wants out as soon as he can. Nothing to do with any manager. I was against buying him back because he and his agent showed how much they cared when Fergie put his foot down and he left for Juventus.

While I don't know the exactly thoughts our coaching team had I believe that putting Dalot and Lingard gave us fresh legs. Mata and James played a lot and we needed more energy. Yes, there is maybe hard to understand why putting on more defensive player and one that is far from any kind of form but we don't have players (injuries /thin squad) that we could use as great subs that game.


Still missing the point. I'll try to explain again.
Poster said something about how Solskjaer didn't have anything to show for him getting ManUtd job. While I agree that he wasn't the best guy, he got the job. Then people say that we should hire Pochettino to win titles. I said, what has he won that show he would be taking titles to Old Trafford when he won zero titles as a manager. That was my reply to what has Solskajer done. Then I said that what they have done in past is not messure what they can achive in ManUtd. Solskjaer or Pochettino or whoever maybe goes on winning streak desite not winning in previous clubs (Although Solskjaer got league titles)

You plucked that crap out of thin air.

 

[pratyush_utd]

If City fails with their appeal then 5th position will be enough to qualify for CL. If Ole can't manage that then I think he should be sacked. This is bare minimum requirement now

 

[Leftback99]

I am not talking about this season only. Poch is far better option than failed Cardiff manager for this season and for the next. If we wait to long, he will go somewhere else. And there is always that new manager impact.
With new manager i am pretty sure that we will be 5th.

Wait, you really think that Poch is not better option for us than our failed Cardiff manager?

Why are you pretty sure a new manager would finish above Spurs for 5th who have a better squad and a manager as good as Mourinho?

I think he'd be a decent option if it gets to the point i think Ole deserves the sack, but this idea that he's some sort of saviour that we can't possibly miss out on is ridiculous.

 

[Mr Smith]

Wow, you have a very short memory.

Manchester United 0 West Bromich Albion 1

LvG

That was Mourinho wasn't it? The result handed City the league in 17/18.

Edit: just realised you may have been referring to LVG separately. To which I would concur.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Just imagine.

We keep Ole. Fail to get 5th. Pep leaves City. City replace him with Poch.

We're stuck with Ole for next season.

I could see that happening.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Why are you pretty sure a new manager would finish above Spurs for 5th who have a better squad and a manager as good as Mourinho?

I think he'd be a decent option if it gets to the point i think Ole deserves the sack, but this idea that he's some sort of saviour that we can't possibly miss out on is ridiculous.

Is he better coach than Solskjaer? At least one level better? Yes or no?

We bought AWB because he is better than Young. We bought Maguire because he is ( apparently) better than Smalling. We bought Bruno because he is better than Lingard ( well, who isn't) and Pereira.
So, why not upgrade THE most important position in whole club?

 

[Andycoleno9]

Just imagine.

We keep Ole. Fail to get 5th. Pep leaves City. City replace him with Poch.

We're stuck with Ole for next season.

I could see that happening.

In first moment when i saw news about City i thought about that. My reaction was not "yes, feck you City" or "ha ha ha". My reaction was- "Oh, we are fecked"