Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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I could forgive our lack of results against strong opposition because I'm perfectly aware we are not a consolidated top 4 squad yet, but the performances have been poor, looks like last season games under Mourinho.

Is it a confidence problem? If it is, things should get better in 1 or 2 months. Otherwise, we can't afford to loose time, IMHO. I'm not saying we should be wining every game by 4, but we played so poorly against weaker opposition that I'm starting to have serious doubts about the direction we're taking.
 
You can't have a huge tantrum and then say let the results do the talking, mate. :lol:

That's not a tantrum. I am simply listing facts. Please correct anything you feel to be untrue

I promise you that if all my concerns prove untrue then I'll be over the moon
 
That's not a tantrum. I am simply listing facts. Please correct anything you feel to be untrue
You didn't say anything that was untrue, because all you know about them is where they came from.
You don't know what their roles are and whether or not they're capable of fulfilling them, you don't know what you're talking about.
If I'm wrong about that, and you do know, and you know alternatives that you would have selected, then tell me.
 
Haha deluded as hell. We’re unbelievably boring

That West Ham game was more boring than lvg & Jose put together

Wow. Wish we can put a poll and vote between LVG and now.

You really didn't watch the games back then, call people deluded, and laugh. Good for you.
 
You didn't say anything that was untrue, because all you know about them is where they came from.
You don't know what their roles are and whether or not they're capable of fulfilling them, you don't know what you're talking about.
If I'm wrong about that, and you do know, and you know alternatives that you would have selected, then tell me.

I am not a talent scout but I don't think it's ridiculous to say that we could find more experienced managers, coaches and assistants then ole, Carrick and some guy who was working in Australia
 
What I do know is their cv which is nearly as impressive as our manager's and Carrick's/Mckenna's is. Some of these guys probably worked with Phelan in Australia (great football nation) most of the rest were part of the coaching staff of either Ole's or Keane's incredible run as managers in the EPL. Considering that they joined the likes of Ole (he was never successful as EPL permanent manager), Mckenna & Carrick (Mou's assistants in his last disastrous year) then that doesn't really fill me with confidence. They seem quite a specialised team in losing.

Let the results do the talking. Oh wait

It was only yesterday when someone mentioned the names of new hires at the club that you went googling their CV's, and now you use that as the basis of all of your consistently critical posts. Toxic supporter. Agenda driven. The club deserves better supporters than you.
 
I am not a talent scout but I don't think it's ridiculous to say that we could find more experienced managers, coaches and assistants then ole, Carrick and some guy who was working in Australia
We were never speaking about Ole, we were discussing the backroom staff changes alongside the restructuring of the club.
You've now reached the point where you don't even know who or what we're discussing, instead reverting to type and just saying boo Ole bad.
Have a good day, mate. :)
 
Haha deluded as hell. We’re unbelievably boring

That West Ham game was more boring than lvg & Jose put together

Genuine question. Will you stop supporting United if we finish in the bottom half of the table this season?
 
Genuine question. Will you stop supporting United if we finish in the bottom half of the table this season?

What kind of stupid question is that. Of course not.

You think those that want Ole out are so bad for wanting the best for the club. It’s pathetic
 
We were never speaking about Ole, we were discussing the backroom staff changes alongside the restructuring of the club.
You've now reached the point where you don't even know who or what we're discussing, instead reverting to type and just saying boo Ole bad.
Have a good day, mate. :)

We are discussing the managerial/coaching staff as a whole. I am not booing anyone. I'm just stating my concerns about the lack of experience and quality across the board starting from the CEO right to the coaching staff.
 
It was only yesterday when someone mentioned the names of new hires at the club that you went googling their CV's, and now you use that as the basis of all of your consistently critical posts. Toxic supporter. Agenda driven. The club deserves better supporters than you.

So you are blaming me for actually bothering learning and researching about what someone told me? There's no agenda here. I am stating facts and my opinion. I assure you that if I am wrong and Ole turns into Sir Alex mk 2 then I'll be over the moon
 
Well he’s lying to himself then. Our worst start in 30 years..30 years. The football is boring to watch with no identity.

You guys are fooling yourselves.

Let me repeat. 30 years.

And again. 30 years.

How’s that NOT underachieving??
It's still early in the season. See where we are in 5/10 games time.

What worries me is there has been time for us to see the fruits of Ole/his assistants work and it's not inspiring at this point. It's hard to imagine the players being challenged by their methods though.
 
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What kind of stupid question is that. Of course not.

You think those that want Ole out are so bad for wanting the best for the club. It’s pathetic

Why do you think you know what is best for the club? 7 league games in and you are already demanding change & writing off the season, our manager & everything else. You are unable to see the plan, or accept that we might have a lean season while we rebuild the team. Most people actually seem to think that this is the first time since Ferguson that the club might actually be making the right decisions and be on the long road to recovery. All you see are results & league position.
 
So you are blaming me for actually bothering learning and researching about what someone told me? There's no agenda here. I am stating facts and my opinion. I assure you that if I am wrong and Ole turns into Sir Alex mk 2 then I'll be over the moon

Not blaming you. Well done for educating yourself. My point is that you were critical before you knew that, now you are critical about that, and today when someone else makes a decent point and you go educate yourself further, you will have something new to criticise tomorrow. The common denominator here is you being critical, and looking for things to be critical of.

What you need to be thinking about is whether you want to be a part of the toxic fan-base that is infesting this club, or actually be a part of the solution. Maybe give this project a chance because all other things we tried failed and this just might be the answer.
 
Keep. Despite his inability to implement a plan of attack, offensive patterns of play. Despite his poor in-game management. Despite playing Lingard and an out of form Rashford. Despite the weird set piece takers. Etc..

No other manager has had a long-term vision for the team. Our transfers in and out have been good. He has given playing time to many youngsters and i can't imagine a new manager would trust in them. I want to see the likes of Tuanzebe, Gomes, Greenwood, Williams and Garner get a chance.

I can put up with the dire football for a while still. If he'd step down to become the "Director of Football" (lolzy), that'd be alright i suppose. We know Woodward won't hire someone there so Ole would be a good yes-man to see through what he's started on the transfer front.

Keep until a good attacking manager becomes available. I don't mean Allegri, he'd just be another Mourinho. Someone like Nagelsmann but not sure how realistic that'd be. Pochettino maybe. I enjoyed how PSG played under Laurent Blanc. ten Hag? Feck it, give it Bielsa. At least it'd be entertaining.
 
Saying the same thing again doesn't make what you said any more correct. If he was restricting himself to British players he wouldn't be bidding for foreigners. Your assertion was incorrect.
Did he sign any of them?
 
Why do you think you know what is best for the club? 7 league games in and you are already demanding change & writing off the season, our manager & everything else. You are unable to see the plan, or accept that we might have a lean season while we rebuild the team. Most people actually seem to think that this is the first time since Ferguson that the club might actually be making the right decisions and be on the long road to recovery. All you see are results & league position.

1. It’s not just 7 league games it’s the 10 months he’s been here & the regression in our play since then

2. There are much better managers out there on limited resources doing better. Look at Rogers at Leicester- less time than Ole but you can see what he’s trying to do & an identity being established.

3. There is no plan

4. League position is important for our standing & potential transfers in the summer

5. If this is the plan then we need to change plan
 
Not blaming you. Well done for educating yourself. My point is that you were critical before you knew that, now you are critical about that, and today when someone else makes a decent point and you go educate yourself further, you will have something new to criticise tomorrow. The common denominator here is you being critical, and looking for things to be critical of.

What you need to be thinking about is whether you want to be a part of the toxic fan-base that is infesting this club, or actually be a part of the solution. Maybe give this project a chance because all other things we tried failed and this just might be the answer.

I was critical about the lack of quality in the coaching staff and how we need some serious restructuring in it. The other poster highlighted that there had been some restructuring going on and I made some research about it and gave my opinion about it backed by facts. What is wrong with that?
 
A real case of the "grass is greener" syndrome going on here.

It's really puzzling because mostly everyone between here and the moon agreed before the season started that we had a lot of work to do, and we aren't going to compete for the title this season, but rather develop youngsters and give them a chance to bloom, while trying to get into the top4. We are going this route because we have had almost 7 years of spending sprees that have brought us nearly nothing. With GREAT managers at the helm no less. And I see people here wanting to bring in journeymen managers who have managed about 20 clubs in their careers.

We get rid of Lukaku who is the opposite of what we want. Lukaku has the turning ability of a cruiseship, and ball handling ability of a wall. The only problem we are currently facing is that our go-to striker in Marcus Rashford has managed to somehow lose all confidence over the course of 6 games, after being absolutely great in the first one. Alexis Sanchez scored what, 4 goals in his entire career? And now people suddenly feel he was to great solution after all? It'd be nice if we didnt forget history 30 seconds after it happened once in a while.

Last night, Scott McTominay stood alone at the 5 meter mark with open net, and he heads the ball over the goal. That is how close we came to winning the game last night. Same story with Marcus Rashford against Crystal Palace and Wolverhampton. Missed penalties, missed open nets. The game was always there for the taking. We've had 1 bad game all season, against West Ham, every other game we deserved the win but personal mistakes squandered everything.

Remember the game against Southampton? EIGHT shots on goal. 1-1. The problem we have is inherently with the end product. Our defense this season is great, absolutely phenomenal compared to last season. Lindelöf is about to lose his starting position to Tuanzebe once AWB and Shaw are both healthy.

We tried to buy Dybala, Eriksen, Sancho, Mandzukic and Longstaff during the transfer window. Jadon Sancho is a target next summer. Mandzukic might be a depth option in January, Dybala fell through due to his image rights, Eriksen wants to move to Spain, Longstaff was priced at £50 million.

Thing is, we signed 3 players who have all performed above and beyond except for maybe Maguire who I already expected to be very good. James is exceeding everyones expectations by far, and AWB is an absolute phenomenon as a defensive rightback.

We're not losing matches left and right are we? We've lost 2. Same as Tottenham and Chelsea. 3 draws. All of which we would have won, had the quality of the player product been better. That is on the players, not the manager. You do not need a manager to tell you how to put the ball in the net 5-10 meters away. These are adults, they know how to do that.

A rebuild is just that, a rebuild that reshapes the very identity and structure of the entire football team. It takes time, several transfer windows, you play a mix of veterans and young kids that will eventually grow into men. Mason Greenwood is already seeing a lot of gametime. He is 17 years old and playing like a man.

This is not the end product of this version of Manchester United, this is the very first stepping stone. Either you trust in the process, or you go on thinking that the grass is always greener, and act like fans of the opposing team every time we play a game until we are winning again and the team is suddenly worthy of your support.

This.

+ We live in the Age of Trolls, where shite, cnut, crap and delusional are the favorite words for a lot of our "fans/supporters" when talking about our own team and staff.

We are 7 games into the season and we will be spending in January, yet some in here talk about relegation. Come on! This makeover-process is not made over night, and it might even get worse before it gets better, but it will never come to that.

From the last couple of seasons with SAF and through Moyes, LVG and Mourinho we haven't played attractive football. LVG's and Mourinho's football philosophies are actually depressingly defensive and cynical. We all want to see Man United attacking, dominating and winning again, but for that to happen the team needs to be rebuilt. A rebuild is impossible if we toss the long term project overboard and sack the manager every time the team has a dip in form. Ole must be given the time and money to see that project through, then we can see if he has the skillset required to be the next top manager. Not before! Even if that means some bad performances and losing to midtable teams every now and then this season.
 
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1. It’s not just 7 league games it’s the 10 months he’s been here & the regression in our play since then

2. There are much better managers out there on limited resources doing better. Look at Rogers at Leicester- less time than Ole but you can see what he’s trying to do & an identity being established.

3. There is no plan

4. League position is important for our standing & potential transfers in the summer

5. If this is the plan then we need to change plan

1. We've had a minor bump in the road. The biggest problem is that we lack a scoring striker, at least when Martial is out. Ole can hail Greenwood as much as he likes, but he's 17 (just turned 18?), and we can't expect him to be our lead striker just yet.

2. Rodgers took over a more balanced squad. He brought in Tielemans, but he was already on loan with them last season. Else Rodgers purchases aren't better than United's transfers under Solskjaer.

3. There's a plan. You can say you don't believe in bringing in young talent and build around a British core, but there is a plan. I always want United to have England's CB, CM and CF/ST in our squad. Now we have a CB in Maguire. McT would probably be a starting player for England in a season or two if he were English. Rashford is a starting striker for England, but if he's a natural finisher, I don't know. I'm not convinced yet. Maddison?

4. Yes and no. If we don't get CL, we might as well get 9th regarding who we bring in. We can still offer the highest salaries in PL. We're still one of the richest clubs in the world, even with a few seasons outside CL.

5. Longterm thinking should be the plan. Yes, we should have brought in a striker when we sold Lukaku. And it's pretty clear we either have to get Pogba a new contract or line up another replacement for when he leaves us.
 
1. It’s not just 7 league games it’s the 10 months he’s been here & the regression in our play since then

2. There are much better managers out there on limited resources doing better. Look at Rogers at Leicester- less time than Ole but you can see what he’s trying to do & an identity being established.

3. There is no plan

4. League position is important for our standing & potential transfers in the summer

5. If this is the plan then we need to change plan

1 - We are playing better now than we were in the last 10 games of last season. For me its
  • Really good start
  • Terrible end to the season
  • New players brought in and some clear (IMO) signs of improvement not reflected in the results because our attackers are not up to standard
2 - Leicester are probably the only team in the league that are performing better than the sum of their parts at the moment. Every other team is about par from what I have seen, and NOBODY would have wanted Rodgers anywhere near the seat so lets not act as though we missed a trick there. Its very early in the season. 31 games left

3 - yes there is. you just cant see it or don't want to

4 - finishing outside of top 4 will hurt our chances of buying superstars yes. Lets see where we end up, or are we writing off our chances being 4 points behind with only 93 points still to play for?

5 - No we don't. We tried other things. They didn't work. This might
 
I’d remove Ole from his position as manager/head coach because tactically he’s nowhere near what we need and I’m afraid lots of running and fitness work isn’t anywhere what we need coaching wise either but at the same time he knows the club inside out and knows the type of players/characters that are needed at United.

I don’t want to see us just discard Ole as if he’s Moyes, LVG or Jose because he’s not and actually loves the club and is one of our most decorated players which is why he should be kept around but simply not as manager. The club has been stripped of pretty much everything that made it so successful over a 25 year period and basically become Chelsea of the north, sacking managers every couple of years with the odd trophy thrown in.

I’d like to see Ole moved upstairs into a Sporting Director role so he can identify the players/characters needed at the club with Rio and Fletcher also working alongside Ole and then Pochettino coming in as manager/head coach, the four of them would work together for everything on the football side of the club which Woodward’s only involvement would to sign off on signings and concentrate on the commercial/brand side of the club.
 
I was critical about the lack of quality in the coaching staff and how we need some serious restructuring in it. The other poster highlighted that there had been some restructuring going on and I made some research about it and gave my opinion about it backed by facts. What is wrong with that?

I think you posted something along the lines of 'jobs for the boys'. I mean, you actually think that this club are that badly run that we would hire coaches because we knew them and not for their abilities. Its incredibly patronising.

Do I remember correctly that you are from Malta or am I thinking of somebody else?
 
I’m bemused why there is such a smug satisfaction knowing United fans just give managers time no matter how crap they are at the job, even if they have zero credit in the bank like Ole.

But each to their own.
It's elitism. We are better than them syndrome. Partly created by Chelsea when Abramovich took over and started changing coaches like socks.

I remember our fanbase was gloating as to how we stick to "our traditions" and how we're not like their oil run club. We are different, we get behind the manager. And yet despite all their chopping and changing, in the past 20 years they have been the most successful club after Manchester United. The fact that John Terry and Nemanja Vidic both have 5PL medals makes me want to puke.
 
I think you posted something along the lines of 'jobs for the boys'. I mean, you actually think that this club are that badly run that we would hire coaches because we knew them and not for their abilities. Its incredibly patronising.

Do I remember correctly that you are from Malta or am I thinking of somebody else?

It does seem a job 4 the boys mate and their not so stunning cv doesn't help to dispel that. I am maltese
 
I’d remove Ole from his position as manager/head coach because tactically he’s nowhere near what we need and I’m afraid lots of running and fitness work isn’t anywhere what we need coaching wise either but at the same time he knows the club inside out and knows the type of players/characters that are needed at United.

I don’t want to see us just discard Ole as if he’s Moyes, LVG or Jose because he’s not and actually loves the club and is one of our most decorated players which is why he should be kept around but simply not as manager. The club has been stripped of pretty much everything that made it so successful over a 25 year period and basically become Chelsea of the north, sacking managers every couple of years with the odd trophy thrown in.

I’d like to see Ole moved upstairs into a Sporting Director role so he can identify the players/characters needed at the club with Rio and Fletcher also working alongside Ole and then Pochettino coming in as manager/head coach, the four of them would work together for everything on the football side of the club which Woodward’s only involvement would to sign off on signings and concentrate on the commercial/brand side of the club.
I really like this idea. Sounds good to me
 
Do you know what those who support Ole are just doing it out of blind faith with no logic or realism & their not going to change their minds even if we finish mid table as it’s all a long long process or plan or something.

So enjoy us in mediocrity & going nowhere
 
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Well he’s lying to himself then. Our worst start in 30 years..30 years. The football is boring to watch with no identity.

You guys are fooling yourselves.

Let me repeat. 30 years.

And again. 30 years.

How’s that NOT underachieving??

Yeah screw context and a broader perspective why think when you can just act a little bitch right? We were in the worst state we've been in since 1989 when he took over. Let me repeat that: The worst state we've been in since 1989 when he took over. And again: The worst state we've been in since 1989 when he took over. You're living a fantasy if you believe Ole came to a top club ready to challenge for honors any time soon - and you need to get your feet back on the ground if that's the case because you're way out there mate. It was a miracle we managed to scrape even a top six last season and despite getting our defense in order at least - our midfield and attack got axed leaving us pretty much at status quo quality-wise.

I've gone into depths about what's been done and why I'm still confident he'll get us back on track - as has many others - but hey if simplicity works for you then by all means stay simple just don't expect anyone to take you serious.


Do you know what those who support Ole are just doing it out of blind faith with no logic or realism & their not going to change their minds even if we finish mid table as it’s all a long long process or plan or something.

So enjoy us in mediocrity & going nowhere

Yeah it's just blind faith screw any arguments put forth ignore it pretend they're not there then parrot yourself over and over because we're all just cultists right? For feck's sake - shut up child :rolleyes:
 
I’d remove Ole from his position as manager/head coach because tactically he’s nowhere near what we need and I’m afraid lots of running and fitness work isn’t anywhere what we need coaching wise either but at the same time he knows the club inside out and knows the type of players/characters that are needed at United.

I don’t want to see us just discard Ole as if he’s Moyes, LVG or Jose because he’s not and actually loves the club and is one of our most decorated players which is why he should be kept around but simply not as manager. The club has been stripped of pretty much everything that made it so successful over a 25 year period and basically become Chelsea of the north, sacking managers every couple of years with the odd trophy thrown in.

I’d like to see Ole moved upstairs into a Sporting Director role so he can identify the players/characters needed at the club with Rio and Fletcher also working alongside Ole and then Pochettino coming in as manager/head coach, the four of them would work together for everything on the football side of the club which Woodward’s only involvement would to sign off on signings and concentrate on the commercial/brand side of the club.

Ole the failed manager concocting a grand plan for pochetinno to follow. What could go wrong.

I want to buy son from spurs. Nah mate. He's not british and got no pashyun.
 
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