And that's why I said the only reason they are ahead is because how crap teams below them they are. They are not 4th because Lampard is doing a good job, they are 4th because of others flaws.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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And that's why I said the only reason they are ahead is because how crap teams below them they are. They are not 4th because Lampard is doing a good job, they are 4th because of others flaws.
Dear Mr. Edward Woodward,
Once again your inept abilities will lead to another manager preforming poorly being sacked. It is surely time to look yourself in the mirror but we both know you will not. Your (lack of) strategy is clearly not working, surprisingly to none. Who wants to be compared to a headless chicken not knowing what to do and when to do it? You are actually making one of the largest football club a laughingstock to the rest of the world. It is time you took responsibility, for once in your life, of this mismanaged club. Are you not the CEO? If I would have performed as badly as you I would have been fired a long time ago. I urge you to retire to a nice house in the country side.
Sincerely yours,
Once again your inept abilities will lead to another manager preforming poorly being sacked. It is surely time to look yourself in the mirror but we both know you will not. Your (lack of) strategy is clearly not working, surprisingly to none. Who wants to be compared to a headless chicken not knowing what to do and when to do it? You are actually making one of the largest football club a laughingstock to the rest of the world. It is time you took responsibility, for once in your life, of this mismanaged club. Are you not the CEO? If I would have performed as badly as you I would have been fired a long time ago. I urge you to retire to a nice house in the country side.
Sincerely yours,
Better squads typically play better football
It’s the greatest trick a United manager has ever pulled in fairness so gotta give him some credit for that.
He should continue with it I reckon until only DDG is left and the youth team, will buy him another 5 years with these lot.
He's the only manager I've ever seen make a first 11 and squad significantly worse in just over a year and somehow get lauded for it by a large section of the fan base. It's Christ-like.
We're got some odd ball fans @Robbie Boy but most transfer threads should have prepared us for this, youth is always best, age is always shite, and deadwood is always deadwood even if it's miles better than what replaces it. Follows these rules as a United legend and you'll have these lot in the palm of your hand.
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I can still understand the people who want to give him time to rebuild because they see something which I can't. But the people that want him till the end of the season baffle me, if he is not good enough what possible reason is there to keep him around. He doesn't have the ability to get this squad to top 4, he has demonstrated this already so why keep him around.
He's getting the rest of season ,only if we stay in Europa league or Fa cup. There not getting one transfer over the line and I don't even think they were, at all going to sign anyone, if this so called Bruno deal gets done I'd be surprised.
The owners may now realise that Woodward jumped the gun in giving him the job, even more so now Poch is free in summer to get . No transfers for a Manager they do not want to keep, that's my look at it he's gone in May.
His chance has been given and I think he knows his time is up as well.
The owners may now realise that Woodward jumped the gun in giving him the job, even more so now Poch is free in summer to get . No transfers for a Manager they do not want to keep, that's my look at it he's gone in May.
His chance has been given and I think he knows his time is up as well.
Not sure how to vote now.
My position was that I'd lost faith or hope that he would be able to bring success to the club. I know people flip-flopped occasionally such as after the Spurs and City results but those games still never gave me that hope again so was still in the sack camp.
After losing the faith it's just kind of been a case of sitting around almost waiting for him to go but not necessarily 'now'. Just that it will/should happen at some point because I don't think we'll achieve much with him and others have a better chance. Nobody's a guarantee but I'd feel more confident for the future with either Allegri or Pochettino at this point in time and both are out there. Allegri would be my preference of those two but either would be worth a go in my opinion and I could get behind either.
Suppose I am erring towards now a bit as there's still a small chance of top 4 if there was new manager boost, and even if not, the rest of the season to assess the squad would be a little plus for someone coming in. Not hugely strong on it as more of my focus is on next season and beyond, and a new manager joining in the summer could hit the ground running too, it's happened elsewhere, but I think I am settling on now as opposed to end of season.
My position was that I'd lost faith or hope that he would be able to bring success to the club. I know people flip-flopped occasionally such as after the Spurs and City results but those games still never gave me that hope again so was still in the sack camp.
After losing the faith it's just kind of been a case of sitting around almost waiting for him to go but not necessarily 'now'. Just that it will/should happen at some point because I don't think we'll achieve much with him and others have a better chance. Nobody's a guarantee but I'd feel more confident for the future with either Allegri or Pochettino at this point in time and both are out there. Allegri would be my preference of those two but either would be worth a go in my opinion and I could get behind either.
Suppose I am erring towards now a bit as there's still a small chance of top 4 if there was new manager boost, and even if not, the rest of the season to assess the squad would be a little plus for someone coming in. Not hugely strong on it as more of my focus is on next season and beyond, and a new manager joining in the summer could hit the ground running too, it's happened elsewhere, but I think I am settling on now as opposed to end of season.
Not as petty as those who keep their mouths shut when we win, and only crawl out of the woodwork after a bad result.
We should appoint anyone who can get Woodward to buy players. If it means manipulation, blackmailing, or guilt-tripping him, so be it. It seems like having honest discussions on how to improve the club doesn't get through Ed's thick-head. The main issue all these years has been recruitment, and that's Ed's fault.
Appointing any manager will be pointless if the recruitment doesn't change.
Appointing any manager will be pointless if the recruitment doesn't change.
Abso-friggin-lutely this.
No-one does that @mu4c_20le! I mean, we have bad results every week or every second week so it doesn't even make any sense.
Why do the knives always come out when we drop points? We weren't even that bad against burnley, we were without 4 or 5 of our first team + highest paid players. Lost to a defensive error and a worldie.
lolz. That's how bad it's gotten man.
37% PL win rate, the knifes are permanently out pal, because we're absolutely awful. This idea the people crawl out of the woodwork is bizarre, just as it is vice versa.
Since being permanent
A United side with more losses than wins?
If anything it's actually the opposite. Most of the Ole in crowd only appears after a win, which is a rare occasion, and we barely see the majority of them after losses.
So
Exactly this.
My knives don't go away after one victory. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I have always said, sustained improvement and I'll reconsider my stance bigtime.
That was several months ago and Ole continues breaking embarrassing negative records.
Exactly this.
My knives don't go away after one victory. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. I have always said, sustained improvement and I'll reconsider my stance bigtime.
That was several months ago and Ole continues breaking embarrassing negative records.
It makes absolutely no sense, as though we go on these long great runs of forms where the Ole doubters have to go hiding.
I fecking wish we had chance to even crawl to some woodwork. I mean, even since December when our PL form has been "better" it's been:
DWWDLWWLWLL
The season as a whole looks a damn site worse. WDLDWLDLDWLWDDWWDLWWLWLL (where can I even reach wookwork in time there @mu4c_20le ?)
Barely a week goes by without Ole reminding us how naive his was with gutting his squad and thinking he was a good enough manager to get away with it.
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I feel sorry for the man. He is being destroyed by Ed Woodward. He should be a man and own up and tell Woodward to give him players or he is fecking off. But he won't go because he is going to lose all the money. So do what Jose did. Force Woodward to sack him.
Not sure there is any point changing the Manager at this stage, I am supporting Utd since 1977 and there is obviously a lot of people of this Forum that have never seen the bad times. I know the football world has changed but Alex Ferguson was appointed manager in November 1986, at the end of the 89/90 season, 3 and 1/2 years later, we finished 13th in the league with a negative goal difference. He is now looked upon as the greatest manager of all time by most on here. Ole has an absolute terrible squad and is probably trying to do what Ferguson started in 86 revamping a squad and it took Ferguson nearly 7 years to win the league.
Of coures Solskjaer should be in charge at least until season is over. Even further if we can see that the club is going forward. Sometime we have to take 2 steps back to go 4 steps forward. We need patience. Changes takes time.
What we need is buy players. Those we have are not good enough. And some have shown us that they are worse than people thought. Pretty much every game we have more shots, less shots against and more possesion. More of everything except lacking conversion of chances and giving up goals on rare attacks from opponent. Two of most important things.
What we need is buy players. Those we have are not good enough. And some have shown us that they are worse than people thought. Pretty much every game we have more shots, less shots against and more possesion. More of everything except lacking conversion of chances and giving up goals on rare attacks from opponent. Two of most important things.
Forget about 1st that’s gone for a long time, next season is already a write off if there isn’t a new manager in charge.
This club is a shambles, hoping someone who’s best qualification for the job is he used to play for us can miraculously sort this out is pure madness.
Ole isn’t SAF though, not even close. We have to ditch the nostalgia and forget using the past as a blueprint. Ole never should have got the job and he shouldn’t keep it because of what someone else did.
Spot on. Personally i would also add
1) Not too thrilled about Poch. If hes the one we get so be it, i will back him as i have Ole, but i think we should keep our options open. Personally i would like Nagelsmann
2) AFAIK he has not lost the dressing room, and as you said there wont be a new manager bounce. In fact it might upset the players and give the new manager a rough start
3) Even if we did get a new manager now it would be incredibly difficult to salvage anything. The end of last season hung over Ole like a ghost all year and it will for any new manager as well if we continue in similar fashion
If you watched back then you'll remember SAF took over when we were near the relegation zone. In his first full season we finished 2nd with an incredible 57.5% win-rate. That first season, coupled with his history of being an incredible manager in Scotland is what gave SAF the time.
If you're expecting or even hoping Ole can do a SAF after what his first 13 months have shown and his first season win rate of 37% (sure to drop after Wolves and Chelsea too) you belong in the loony bin.
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We should never have caved in to the pressure of signing Ole up. He should have left at the end of his 'caretakership'. It would have worked well for both parties.
Or give him an 18 month contract, then sack him at the end of last season when we spectacularly missed out on top 4. Would've been a bit harsh since top 4 wasn't the objective when he took over, but the way we let it slip was pretty bad. At his worst, he's basically our own Tim sherwood. Giving him another season to write off was never going to go down well with the fans.
Aye good point. Like the ones that go into hiding after a few bad results.
The only person who should be allowed to sack him is Woodward’s successor. Otherwise it’s absolutely pointless.
83% of people here want him sacked now or later. Sack him.
Every month or two he starts talking about "making it to the international break"
He's robbing a living and is completely out of his depth.
Every month or two he starts talking about "making it to the international break"
He's robbing a living and is completely out of his depth.
Yeah he's winging it.
The board have sold the poor bugger down the river. And now he in turn is selling the fans down the river.
The only reason he has the job is he used to play for us, it’s not because of his ability of what he has achieved. He was a stop gap whilst we hired a proper manager, but board were dumb enough to hire him permanently.
There was talk that he had taken Molde as far as he could and they’d be better off without him, which has been proved correct as they won the league.
I'm sure that can't be the only reason. Why not someone else who played for us, why Ole?
That's not proof he'd taken them as far as he could and they'd be better off without him.
They’ve got better since he left, that’s a fact. If he’d never played for us he wouldn’t be our manager, again that’s a fact.
Well yeah, it is the only reason, that's why he was hired as a caretaker at least, they hired him permanently because of the initial way we played when he came in, they thought that the initial bounce and feel good factor was him actually being a good manager and thought they were onto something special because he used to play for us and they could get nostalgia points with the fans, which, to be fair, they have done to some poor saps.
That and the work he did behind the scenes, which regular fans (many of whom wanted him sacked - that's part of the story too) didn't know anything about.
Ok. But it's not proof. They could have become better with him as well.
That's probably correct. Not a fact. Maybe he'd be managing Barcelona. Many things wouldn't have been if something else hadn't happened. You really think it's the only reason he got the job, why not someone else who played for us?
I'm sure if we think really hard we can come up with at least one more reason he got the job, no?
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