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Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Do you know what's even more damning about that? Three of the teams above us sacked their managers.
He would never do that because he's a main product of this shitshow.
James is 22 just moving out of the youngster stage
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Yet only 4 teams better this season, 3 of which are clearly far better teams and squads.
Not going to bother arguing the recruitment. Whatever. We could go around in circles forever and ultimately it's not the main basis of our conversation.
Woodward has created that structure at the top. He is responsible for it. If he wanted to bring in a DoF/technical director to oversee the entire process he could, but he has chosen this current setup. That's on him, and the lack of improvement in the speed with which deals get done means even if the recruitment is great, you're not getting enough numbers in that a squad this deficient in talent requires.
No one is arguing about that, but until Ole is here he won't make change of the structure. Having to hire yet another manager however might change that(as slim the possibility is).
Barring all the injuries, are Leicester and Chelsea really that much better squad wise? Its beyond shambolic
'United to make loan move for Carlos Tevez?'
Monty Python's Manchester United.
Monty Python's Manchester United.
That's my take on it. Ole's trying to move out the dead wood and bring in improvements. Those above him are consistently failing to facilitate that process. If we sack Solskjaer then that's a new low point for me.
Imagine... Might as well ask Scholesy if he wants to make a second come back while they're at it!Our midfield is beyond a joke, most of Leicester’s and Chelsea’s walk into ours.
Their attacks are a country mile better than ours. To win games you have to score goals. We don't score enough so we don't win enough.
Yes they play better football no doubt!! But are their whole squads better than ours? I don't think so imo..
Assuming the people who run the club are capable of recognising how weak the squad is.
I'm just totally apathetic at this point about the manager. If we sack Ole that's fine, I just don't have high hopes after that anyways.
They got more depth, but Rashford is better than all the guys they got. The key difference is management.
Since most of Ole FC fans love a good excuse, here is the list of problems Chelsea faced during this season:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-chelsea/ausfallzeiten/verein/631
Red is Absence/injury. This is after they got themselves a new inexperienced manager, sold their best player and didn't spent anything due to the ban.
With all the injuries yes its garbage! Board and Ole chucked everyone out without replacements as we all know!
Well I’m still hoping we can catch that mob, last nights result was a kick in teeth to that hope obviously.
Only DdG, Martial (LW) Pogba and Rashford (RW) would start for us.
Pochettino is in Ireland at the moment staying in a local hotel so Oles jobs safe for the next day or two
I wouldn't, unless by that time every other conceivable candidate such as Pochettino and Allegri are not available. The case against Ole is powerful (poor performances and dismal results) but if we did win the EL or make top 4 -- which by definition means a dramatic uptick in performances and results from here to the end of the season -- and no one else of note is available to us it's hard to see the wisdom in sacking Ole and then hiring a manager of an even lower standing such as Eddie Howe or Unai Emery.
Off topic a bit but it's clear to me the only hope of a return to the CL next season is through the EL this season. Top 4 is mathematically well within reach but when we prove we can't beat Burnley, we've proven we just can't hit top 4. So it's all about the EL and if in fact we have Rashford, Pogba and McTominay back by the semis (dreaming perhaps) I like our chances of winning the EL.
I just don't have a way to judge Ole. When we have the players available like we do, we are going to lose games regardless of who the manager is. The only way to avoid defeats with current healthy squad is perhaps by solidly parking the bus. With fully fit squad, we've seen glimmer of good football under Ole. I am quite indifferent to whether he stays or goes at the moment. But if he had to be let go, surely the time was a month ago. We've been reactionary for years now. I just wish that we could have people in charge with a plan, a proper vision.
Well atleast he’s around a 40minute flight away.
Wow new vote ?
Anyway I think sacking him now will be pointless as the season is a write off without Rashford, Pogba and Scott. He fecked up the team with how he managed injuries and the Jan window is about to close 1 week from now and even 1 signing wouldn't be enough. This isn't a good atmosphere for a new manager to come. There won't be a new manager bounce this time. Unfortunately the perfect chance to sack him was in November.
So best option for now is to let him continue this pointless season and start negotiating with Poch so that we hire him in May, totally fresh with a summer window ahead. Pogba might change his mind about leaving by this point and decides to try his luck one last time with Poch's experiment.
Anyway I think sacking him now will be pointless as the season is a write off without Rashford, Pogba and Scott. He fecked up the team with how he managed injuries and the Jan window is about to close 1 week from now and even 1 signing wouldn't be enough. This isn't a good atmosphere for a new manager to come. There won't be a new manager bounce this time. Unfortunately the perfect chance to sack him was in November.
So best option for now is to let him continue this pointless season and start negotiating with Poch so that we hire him in May, totally fresh with a summer window ahead. Pogba might change his mind about leaving by this point and decides to try his luck one last time with Poch's experiment.
I want Poch. Let Ole see out the season then bring him in.
I disagree. Surely a manager who actually knows what he's doing can do better even with this squad? This is a season where every team below 3rd place is absolute trash, there is still a chance(albeit quite small) that we will make top 4.
And even if you are right, and a new manager changes nothing results-wise, appointing him now gives him the possibility to assert the squad in official matches and allows the squad to get used to his methods. It's definitely not pointless.
I do agree that the best option would have been to sack Ole before the January transfer window, but even now there is no reason to keep him in charge anymore.
With all due respect the only reason Lampard and Chelsea are 4th is because how crap we, spurs and Arsenal are.
The problem is all of our best players have got long term injuries thanks to him rushing them back before being fully healed and we haven't signed anyone so far in Jan. 2 or 3 months I thought by sacking him we can still salvage the season. Unfortunately the damage he has down as the time went on has become so severe for a midseason manager to change it.
Though I might agree on asserting the squad in the remaining part of the season if we get a new manager now.
I'd argue in terms of best possible first XI, not much separates us and those two. The problem for us is the complete lack of depth and acceptable rotational players.
For example a midfield 3 of Pogba, Fred and McTomminay is not too shabby, but one(or two) of those gone and we are properly fecked since we then have to rely on the likes of Pereira and Lindgard. In attack we have no backup bar Greenwood.
And despite being stocked with CB's those guys are constantly injured. We can thank our lucky stars that Maguire and Lindelof has not been injured for long so far, because then the only option would have been Jones whos a constant injury risk himself
Spurs and Arsenal already changed managers due to poor results.
At least 17.2% of us know what's best for the club 
Leicester or Chelsea fan?At least 17.2% of us know what's best for the club
'Keep Ole and let him finish his rebuild in 56 transfer windows'. May be in the Championship but hey.
My reply was regarding your comment where it seemed you were saying Lampard was doing some good job to which I said all are in the same boat, just that Lampard is doing a less shit job in comparison to Ole. As for Ole to be sacked, well I have already said he needs to go, if not now at least at the end of the season.
No, my comment about Chelsea was in relation to the squads Ole and Lampard are working with. By no means Chelsea have had a better team or squad available so far into the season. They also have inexperienced manager yet are ahead of us.
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