This is my thoughts now.
He's there until summer. Sack then.
Give him nothing to spend. Pointless
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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This is my thoughts now.
He's there until summer. Sack then.
Give him nothing to spend. Pointless
Hope can get you this far. Hoping for things to turn out on hope is naive at best.
Supporting mediocrity is supporting our beloved multi-billion $$$ company to produce this average garbage week in and week out whilst they are reaping the profits regardless of how shite we are on the pitch.
The keep Ole crowd accept that Ole does not have the players for him to succeed while completely ignoring how bad his tactics are. The sack Ole crowd accept that his that his tactics are bad and completely ignore how bad some of the players are.
But in truth no matter how bad the players are they are still better than some of the teams we've lost to. We lost to an already relegated Cardiff and Huddersfield with Pogba when chasing top 4 last season. We lost to Watford, Everton, Newcastle etc.
The truth is no matter how bad the players are there is still a bunch of evidence that a coach can get worse players to play better football than us eg Bielsa with Leeds, Potter with Brighton, Rose with Monchengladbach etc.
Ole has been here over a year now and we haven't seen any improvement whatsoever in our style of play. He has restricted us to be a team that only knows how to counter attack a basic tactic
But in truth no matter how bad the players are they are still better than some of the teams we've lost to. We lost to an already relegated Cardiff and Huddersfield with Pogba when chasing top 4 last season. We lost to Watford, Everton, Newcastle etc.
The truth is no matter how bad the players are there is still a bunch of evidence that a coach can get worse players to play better football than us eg Bielsa with Leeds, Potter with Brighton, Rose with Monchengladbach etc.
Ole has been here over a year now and we haven't seen any improvement whatsoever in our style of play. He has restricted us to be a team that only knows how to counter attack a basic tactic
I think it will be decades before we win unfortunately.
I made my peace with that today finally. We looked like amateurs during that 1st half vs our nosy neighbors.
There is nothing to be excited about going forward. I foolishly got excited when Jose got sacked, because I finally thought Woodward and the club would change. Instead we took 100 steps back by appointing OGS.
Ole has been awful all season, but gets a free pass from the clueless Woodward and our woeful owners.
The club has no ambition anymore. If it did, Ole would have been sacked a long time ago. Then again, only a complete fool would have given him the permanent job in the 1st place.
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When will y'all start spamming sponsors' social media pages and boycotting their products?
You clearly agree that results don't MATTER to our company. Money does. Where do they get their money? Follow the money and hit them where or hurts.
Anyway, I'm outta here. Keep the flag flying high.
I've cancelled MuTV subscription last year, cancelled other subscriptions to our local fanbase too.
If the matchgoers turn we will see a quick turnaround and changes. Problem is that our fanbase is promoting mediocrity and seem happy with it.
There's a season that can be salvaged here, so let's not pretend that a top manager won't make a difference. Ole is simply not good enough. His tactics are crap, he naively allowed too many players to go without bothering if the club will bring in replacements in and he spent 130m on a defence which with all due respect still lack a WC player, that while letting United start the season with no CM, no RW and no cover upfront.
Having said that if I had a choice between bringing in January a top DOF & a head of recruitment or bringing in a top manager then I'd choose the former.
Regarding the Glazers its pretty evident that they won't put Woodward in his box unless they are forced into it. Hence why the match going fans must stop this standing ovations and they should start getting nasty. That means banners, booing, organised walk outs. Sponsors won't like being associated with a club in turmoil and hitting the owner's pockets its the only thing that can get them started.They should also stop listening to what former players say. This is our club not theirs.
Hahaha, think I’ve got every Fergie book out there pal. I was saying it was a strange comparison which was in no way a defence of Ole?
That's the problem. Alot of them are naive idiots and deserve mediocrity as harsh as that sounds. You think Barcelona, Bayern or Real wouldn't of booed at half time yesterday? Our fans didn't make a sound and acted like the nice little sheep the Glazers want.
They really do. You reap what you sow.
No, Barca, Bayern, Real fans won't stand to this because they have some standards, we obviously don't.
For those who keep moaning about Ole not having decent CMs and having a thin squad: do you think it was Woodward who insisted paying 80m on a (at best) solid player that is playing in a position where we were already stacked? For that money, we could have easily bought in a decent CM and a RW.
You also can't complain about playing Jones when Ole was the one to extend his contract and let Smalling go on loan.
Our current situation is 90% on Ole.
Some of you need to get your shit together and realize that being a nice guy and a club legend does not make one qualified to manage Manchester United.
I was as pleased as everyone when we announced him, it would have been great if it worked out. But it didn't and we need to get our shit together before it's too late. If we get rid of him now, we can still offer the option to the new manager to bring a new player or two in this January.
You also can't complain about playing Jones when Ole was the one to extend his contract and let Smalling go on loan.
Our current situation is 90% on Ole.
Some of you need to get your shit together and realize that being a nice guy and a club legend does not make one qualified to manage Manchester United.
I was as pleased as everyone when we announced him, it would have been great if it worked out. But it didn't and we need to get our shit together before it's too late. If we get rid of him now, we can still offer the option to the new manager to bring a new player or two in this January.
I wonder how 1 sided the vote would be if it was run afresh now?
I've personally had enough of him. He is clearly out of his depth. Tactically naive. No style of play apart from launch it to Rashford. His subs rarely affect the game in a positive way.
I've wanted him out for weeks, last night was the tipping point for a lot of people I follow on twitter. He's gotta go. The sooner, the better.
I've personally had enough of him. He is clearly out of his depth. Tactically naive. No style of play apart from launch it to Rashford. His subs rarely affect the game in a positive way.
I've wanted him out for weeks, last night was the tipping point for a lot of people I follow on twitter. He's gotta go. The sooner, the better.
People keep comparing his first year to Fergie's first tenure. There is no point in bringing up fergie and referencing if you're not comparing them.
My vote from a few months ago is still on Keep but I'm at the stage where I've no confidence in Ole becoming a good United manager. Now I hope he's prepared to stick to the task of readying the squad for the next manager, keep playing and encouraging our young players and marginalising the old guard until we can arrange a replacement. The one commodity he has in spades is a genuine love for the club, and I hope he's willing to use that to make himself into a human bridge/shield/shit-eating machine to get us through this season with some green shoots emerging by the end. Having the squad in a state where a new manager is able to hit the ground running with this squad from the beginning of next season will be a qualified success for Ole.
Not trying to be rude, but everytime I see people praising Ole for "giving minutes to young players", I feel sick. How come such a ridiculous reason can be an argument (and the only one) for supporting the manager? If so, anyone of us here could manage United, just by playing all the youngsters and neglecting the results.
Moreover, it is an illusion that Ole is providing chances to young players. As we all know, Chong, Gomes, Garner and Tuanzebe barely play in the first team, let alone Levitt or Laird. In fact, Ole always sticks to his first team players and seldom rotates, even when they are out of form or just returned from injury. Greenwood hasn't really got much playing time in the league until lately, despite performing well in the Europa League. Williams is obviously a forced option rather than a planned move, as he was not taken to pre-season.
It's fine not rushing youngsters to the first team, but stop defending Ole with "giving minutes to young players", it's just disgusting.
I think you both agree on that, the poster you quoted was saying 'playing young players' is just a fig leaf for those who support Ole continuing.
Thank you for a spectacular example of the benefit of hindsight.
Most said paying over the odds for Maguire was unavoidable. Most wanted rid of Smalling. Most wanted Ole to be appointed at that time.
Also, are you saying our current situation is 90% on Ole? Hell yes. You are saying that. BS pal.
And then, who the feck is qualified to get our sorry-assed, overpaid "professionals" to beat lower ranked teams? We had LVG and Jose.
We've become super wealthy has-beens. A nauseating example of how a footballing behemoth can be run into the ground. And nothing, nothing we do or say or cancel or boycott will change a thing.
We will just have to wait for the wheel to turn. What goes around and all. Don't hold your breath.
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Stacked at CB? With what exactly? It's also not the matter of who we want but who we can get, days of having our pick of the players we want are long gone, we have to wait to be able to get the right man. No one who was playing CL would have come, not at a decent price anyway, Maguire was at a lower ranked club, not too much in wages so we went for him. Next transfer window a midfielder we'd like to buy might present himself, we'll react then. It's a matter of having to be realistic. Klopp (and I hate to type his name at this point) didn't get all the players he wanted right away, it was Mane first, then Salah, then van Dijk...
Wan-Bissaka and Maguire are decent buys on their own, but not enough to turn it all around, we'll need some other changes too.
You can love or hate Solskjaer's manager's skills but you can't say he put the club in the worse financial situation than it was when he came in. His buys were not extravagant, and, if he does leave, he won't burden the next manager with even more inflated wage bill like Mourinho left for him. I know it's not good times for us, but there are some positives about the club as well, even if they're not as evident at the first glance.
I have decided to not keep changing my opinion from week to week...I will continue to support him until the end of the season,but if things don’t improve,then I would want him gone....
Just because Van Gaal and Jose failed, doesn't mean another top manager (not Ole obviously) won't be able to beat lower ranked teams.
We are super wealthy has-beens and big part to that is down to Ole. With his "vision" about what Man United is all about, his "fast attacking football" although not actually fast not actually attacking and basically not actually football something like Big Sam or Toni Pulis attacking football, his brexit transfers, and much more.
Well guess what, by the time the wheel turns at best case scenario we will be Everton in the 2000's.
I agree to a large extent, though on the other hand it is frustrating in the extreme that to get to a point where we're starting to add the right players on the right wages and move on those who don't fit we have had a manager who cannot seem to set the team up and make effective footballing decisions week by week. I have a hard time believing there isn't a manager who could get better performances out of these players, and what was to stop him also bringing in some decent young players and marginalising the old guard as Ole has started to do?
From where we were when we gave Ole the full time job after PSG you could argue we're best grinning and bearing it under until the end of the year, but it's hard to escape the feeling we bungled it (again) by over-inflating Ole's virtues when he was caretaker.
To be honest with you, I am not excited about "getting the best" out of the current team. The best of what we have right now is never gonna win the league, it's clear that large number of players needs to go. If we can scrape up a CL place in the process it's good but it's not a bar for me. I'd rather take 2 or 3 mediocre seasons than someone trying to get the best out of this lot, failing, and moving on. Let's build a team that can challange major honors, we're not Arsenal to play for the 4'th all the time, and let's face it, 60% of the players we have now are not cut out for anything more.
He was appointed on the back of a good run of results. Not because he was a tactical genius or someone with history and qualifications for such monumental job. If we're going to ignore the bad results then what are we left with, a club legend? For some people that seems enough for complete trust in his ability to manage one of the biggest clubs in the world. Just why exactly would you trust him with the job of building a team that can challenge for major honors? What makes people think he is the right man for that job, that he is the manager that should be given a few years of mediocre results hoping everything will magically fall into place? Football doesn't even work like that, if there was a magic formula where just patience is enough, then most clubs would follow it and be successful. No big club goes into a season considering it a write off before it has even started because it is a stupid idea. The best way to the top is to stay as close to the top as possible and improve. Not fall into obscurity "with a plan".
Yeah I'd certainly take a season or two in midtable wilderness if that meant getting our house back in order and challenging. However there are no guarantees we'd resurface and I find something oxymoronic about not trying to be the best we can be now so that we can be the best later. If there are few signs Ole has the tools to improve our play why not act now to get a better manager in place who can continue the rebuild in his image? I am minded to give Ole the season to continue the work that needs to be done but honestly I'm running out of excuses why we don't move now to get a better long term candidate in place.
Again I'm glad to see some sense remains in our fan base.
Because there is no rational reason not to do this, beyond the financial implications.
12 months a go Poch was favourite to take over in the summer and I do believe that will happen this year but I'm bemused as to why the posters who say a new manager will take at least 6 months to assess the squad think it's a bad idea to replace Ole now. If our squad is as bad as many suggest (which I contest, to a point) surely giving Poch until May to assess and maybe bring in a player or two this month is better than waiting until the summer.
Despite all the talk of Solksajer's signings I very much question his recruitment policy. It was atrocious at Cardiff and I honestly don't think any of his signings at United have improved us significantly. Being kind Maguire is an upgrade on Smalling in terms of ball playing, but defensively I see no improvement. Also we are not at a stage where we should be prioritising playing out of the back as the players in front of the back four are not all capable to play such a style. James, first month aside, has done nothing. Obviously was bought as a backup and has been thrust into the first team due to squad limitations, but ultimately that's on the manager. AWB is the only player I'd say is a significant upgrade on his predecessor, and even then I do not think he'll be our main RB in 5 years.
This is the perfect opportunity to follow through on the original plan for last summer.
Ironic thing is that we’re starting to look and sound like the post invincibles Arsenal with a focus on youth, budget spending and ‘next year we’ll be much better’ and look where they are now. 2 or 3 mediocre seasons could turn into years and years of mediocrity.
Yep. At this stage if a candidate such as Poch could be brought in I'd make the change today, thinking all this through has made me realise I'm holding out only out of respect for Ole. For the good of the club I'd move on sooner rather than later, and I've now changed my vote on the thread poll.
It's all about priority and urgency in my opinion. Yes Bailly, Jones and Rojo are injury prone, but we have 6 CBs in total while Ole seldom rotates. Yes Smalling and Lindelof are shaky at times, but our attacking midfielders are definitely more disappointing. With Fellaini and Herrera gone, we made no attempt to cover their position. For me, the midfield has been the weakest link in the team and should be prioritized in the market especially if we play 4-2-3-1, but Maguire turned out to be our biggest transfer in the window.
It's true that we can hardly pick the players we want nowadays, but it doesn't necessarily mean that we can only wait passively for someone to become available, or "present himself" as you say. There are plenty of quality players around the globe and many of them are realistic targets, for example Ndombele, Tielemans and Gueye all completed transfer in the last window. With one of the largest scouting networks in the world, I don't believe we didn't spot these players, instead it's more like the club's philosophy or the manager's decision which block the transfer. In recent years, we have been chasing either high profile players or young players with resale value, and this season we have linked with plenty of English players for no reason.
As for inflated wage bill, the new deal of Jones is definitely a burden for the next manager, and cross our fingers the rumor about Lingard's new contract is not real......
Can honestly say my son and I have given up completely this season and will not go back unless the style and play totally alters. Had tickets to come down this weekend but we have changed our minds and will not sit through such dire drivel again. I knock back shifts and overtime to travel and come see us at least 6 times a year but no more. Not until a lot changes. I would rather make money than waste it travelling and buyin stuff there only to be unentertained and have him sit with no passion again.
Yeah, and how does that make sense? He‘s been in charge for over a year now, do you think a miracle will happen or that it is not his fault at all that we‘re so shit?
We play wolves twice, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and eruopa league in jan/feb, I don't think he'll be here after that.
hopefully
Almost everyone knew that this season was going to be rollercoaster when in the summer we didn't buy midfielder to support Pogba. Hardly anyone was optimistic like yes this is it..we are now ready.
We sold experienced Fellaini, herrera and bought a kid as replacement. We have ex footballer lingard, then mata who thinks he plays football, matic sold his legs in the summer, perriera lost his brain somewhere, fred plays peekaboo and pogba is on vacation almost all the time. What anyone expect this season?
We sold experienced Fellaini, herrera and bought a kid as replacement. We have ex footballer lingard, then mata who thinks he plays football, matic sold his legs in the summer, perriera lost his brain somewhere, fred plays peekaboo and pogba is on vacation almost all the time. What anyone expect this season?
This is all true, but the transfer window is open right now, we can’t just sit on our hands, complain about the squad and also say we’ll only go for our top targets.
If the likes of Lingard, Mata and Matic are so terrible, then we need a better plan than going for Maddison and being obviously shot down.
Every team in the league will have a talented midfielder, there are plenty overseas, if we don’t get at least one then it’s negligence from Ole and those above him.
You asked what we should expect, we should expect to see a couple of midfielders join the club this month so we can make something of this season.
With the amount of serious injuries we are suffering, current form and the upcoming schedule, unless we buy 2-3 players now, Ole is done.
He's making too many mistakes that I can't excuse anymore but people need to finally start pointing the finger at Woodward and the board. Any manager will fail with the failing and totally incompetent structure that we have. A better coach might get us top 4 here and there, but we will never have a sustained period of improvement and actual growth.
He's making too many mistakes that I can't excuse anymore but people need to finally start pointing the finger at Woodward and the board. Any manager will fail with the failing and totally incompetent structure that we have. A better coach might get us top 4 here and there, but we will never have a sustained period of improvement and actual growth.
If we don't buy any CM this Jan that could be a pointer towards Woodward again not backing manager due to lack in confidence like he showed with Jose in 18 summer. That would mean another season down the drain.
He is reaching new depths.
He is reaching new depths.
Think you’ve misread my post old boy. I’m certainly not defending him.
Its always good to wait until the car is at the bottom of a cliff face with absolutely no survivors before making a change.
Initial wobble, keep him at the wheel by all means. Some mildly erratic swerving, complete faith. Overtaken by Ford Escorts and Vauxhall Astras in the league table? Its a process!
Not even after a year is gone and Ole is driving hopelessly and aimlessly all over the road. It’s like Superman’s dad in Man of Steel, it’s needless!!
Cheer him on and smile until the Porsche that is our club, is over the edge and there are no signs of life. No hope of attracting anyone to come and help us.
Just because he is wearing the cap and the tracksuit doesn’t mean he knows how to drive it.
Ole’s cult: “he can’t do any better we have a thin squad”
Ole out: “it was his decision to make it thin”
Ole’s cult: “yes he’s great got rid of the deadwood”
Ole out: facepalm
Ole out: “it was his decision to make it thin”
Ole’s cult: “yes he’s great got rid of the deadwood”
Ole out: facepalm
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