I think you have already given up if you accept what you say in the last sentence. Pep would fail here with the current structure at the club and I think he knew this, which is why he never considered managing United.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I think you have already given up if you accept what you say in the last sentence. Pep would fail here with the current structure at the club and I think he knew this, which is why he never considered managing United.
A bad offer because he's a ladies man? A pussy? Sexism!
19-20: the "Burning down the dead wood" season (Matic, Fred, Pereira, Young, Jones).
I get the club too. So shall I be manager? Fred the red does too so why not him.
If you really think Ole is the best manager we can get then you don’t think too highly of our club
Say it again brother.
Whose available if we fire him today? Are you sure that person would want this job?
Allegri.
I don’t accept it, but it is what it is from their point of view, either he starts failing in that regard or unless someone buys the club from of the Glazers he would probably still be here.
If there’s anything we can do to get ED out of the club, then sign me up.
The same people saying Ole is the best we can get said the same for Jose, probably said the same with LVG too.
It really does frighten me how the standard's of the fans have dropped so far at this club. We are settling for mediocrity which the board seem fine with as long as we are making money. It's mental to me that we are willing to stand behind a manager regardless of his status who has publicly made it his point to state that the performance in the loss to West Ham was "not as bad as use lot made it out to be" and is an acceptable standard at this club 
Totally! I sometimes wonder if Ed is like Robbie from ArsenalFanTV. Winning is good, but losing is even better as it drives the club's social following into a frenzy which is good for brand awareness and sponsors....
LVG and Mourinho appointments were not bad at the time. It didn't work out but that is how top clubs operate. It's bizarre to me that people seem to think after two failed appointments we should just give up. I don't trust Ed very much but if he was to hire someone competent we would be in a better position, regardless of the board.
This. Confident, experienced, tactically brilliant, knows how to get the best out of PP. It's still early in the season to get Top 4 and Allegri is good enough to deliver, even with this sh*tty squad.
Remember Conte and his first Chelsea season? Or Sarri previous year, getting 3rd place and winning EL despite being insulted by Chelsea fanbase constantly? We need some of that Italian tactical know-how, it's getting embarrassing with our clueless Molde "manager".
It really does frighten me how the standard's of the fans have dropped so far at this club. We are settling for mediocrity which the board seem fine with as long as we are making money. It's mental to me that we are willing to stand behind a manager regardless of his status who has publicly made it his point to state that the performance in the loss to West Ham was "not as bad as use lot made it out to be" and is an acceptable standard at this club
That’s where we are I’m afraid. No standards.
Look at teams with ambition hiring decent managers. Leicester you can see what Rogers wants to do already with an identity already.
What’s Oles excuse for not? Unfortunately he’s just not a very good manager
Not sure he would want a mid table battle for the next couple of years after winning titles year after year.
Some said the same about Moyes too.
“Knows the league”, “A safe pair of hands”, “did well with Everton”, “Scottish”, a bunch of nonsense.
Jose was a good appointment imo, it was something we probably needed to try.
Giving him a new contract without backing him was kind of daft.
The way things are going his time here would be considered a monumental success.
As long as nobody has a plan what to do, sacking should be no option. First we need a DF, who structures the club based on one idea.
Keep him until end of season, to be fair.
I'd get Allegri in right now if it were possible. There is still time to at least try and attempt to get top 4. I can see what Ole is trying to do but I fear he has no clout at all in getting what he wants from Ed (who remains a bigger problem).
Then again who is going to take a job at a club without a single proven striker?
Then again who is going to take a job at a club without a single proven striker?
It seems like just delaying the inevitable. I can take the bad results, but the football is so dire. I even fear we will get turned over by Newcastle!!
Allegri? Christ, he's just another Mourinho. Not exactly known for good football.
The club had got to a point where it needed to be turned off and then back on again as a full reset.
The squad has been stripped back to a bare minimum. It’s going to take a few windows to bring people in to bring up the overall quality. I felt like we made the mistake of bottling the rebuild LVG had undertaken and if we were to sack Ole now we’d just be repeating that mistake.
No ones going to come in wave a magic wand and get this team performing in a manner in which it’s competing with Pool and City. It’s going to take time and at least Ole is set on wanting to play in an attacking manner. Let him bring in players and see if we improve next year. If it goes stale then sure maybe it’s time to think of shifting him but right now I’d let him crack on with trying to get the right people in.
The squad has been stripped back to a bare minimum. It’s going to take a few windows to bring people in to bring up the overall quality. I felt like we made the mistake of bottling the rebuild LVG had undertaken and if we were to sack Ole now we’d just be repeating that mistake.
No ones going to come in wave a magic wand and get this team performing in a manner in which it’s competing with Pool and City. It’s going to take time and at least Ole is set on wanting to play in an attacking manner. Let him bring in players and see if we improve next year. If it goes stale then sure maybe it’s time to think of shifting him but right now I’d let him crack on with trying to get the right people in.
He's known for winning which would make a nice change right now.
You can have the most tactically astute Manager on the planet but if your senior players continue to make schoolboy errors it counts for nothing.
I'd love to know where this Ole is tactically naive is coming from, the only time he's been tested on that score this season was away @ Wolves(who showed us our backside twice on their patch last season), but this season we dominated practically from start to finish and thoroughly deserved to win, they had a 10 minute spell in the 2nd-half when they were on top but we wrestled back the initiative and finished stronger, if Ole was so tactically naive that wouldn't have happened.
I just don’t trust him to make the next appointment after we have embarked on a policy of young players with potential over the previous policy of buying superstars so soon.
He’s a good manager with £150m circa at his espousal every window. What top of the table club is going to give him that who needs a manager?
Ontop of that.. if you think United will be mid table under a manager the skill set of Allegri maybe this is why your getting writers block with Ole.
Yeah... except 2 of those 5 players have been given new contracts by Ole...
And one has been made club captain by him.
Sell them to whoever wants them!
What about Southgate?. Would he be tempted to take over as caretaker for the rest of the season and maybe then we get someone in the summer.
That'd be really interesting - I'd be up for it.
He's certainly a better manager than OGS.
I vote keep because we need to be careful when it comes to next appointment (I know it sounds like a broken record). We need a manager with fresh ideas and not pragmatic ones (see Allegri) or one who keeps going back to Fergie era to find solutions (see Moyes, Giggs and Ole), it'll get us nowhere. Take our time and only pull the trigger when we have the right person, we should be laying the groundwork to convince likes of Nagelsman, Rose, Tuchel, Pochettino to come here.
This also sums up what I think, great post.
First and foremost, I don't think he's good enough. Second, we don't need to appoint another caretaker. They won't achieve anything with this threadbare squad.
This also sums up what I think, great post.
First and foremost, I don't think he's good enough. Second, we don't need to appoint another caretaker. They won't achieve anything with this threadbare squad.
Before Liverpool hired Klopp, did you under the sun believe that they could get to a Champs league final with Henderson, Milner and Wignaldum in midfield? Yes our players may not be good enough but what exactly has Ole done to raise their level? Absolutely nothing as far as I'm concerned.
Writers block
I just don’t believe sacking Ole 7 games into a season with his 3 new players is a prudent move.
We have been so unlucky in games this season we should be much further up the table with a bit of luck, yesterday we should have been given a pen to go 2-0 up and that point blank header should be scored every time.
Keep, because I don't trust the club to find someone better or put the structures in place to help them succeed. Might as well have a legend who plays young players.
Leave England for a temp job?
When you take away the emotional side of it, I can't help but think he needs to walk or be let go.
There's a real underlying issue at our club that inhibits us massively, it's the kind of thing that makes posters claim 'we're not a sacking club' or 'United give managers time' as well as reference the mythical 'United way'. I can only think it comes from us struggling to come to terms with where we are in world football now and clinging onto some semblance of the past because that's when we were the undisputed heavyweight in English football. As if by standing by a manager, even if it's the wrong decision it makes us better than other clubs. It clouds every decision in sentimentality and nostalgia and is the very reason Ole was appointed in the first place - we bypassed everything that mattered (credentials) and just hired someone we liked and 'knew the club'.
Then maybe I guess there's the fear some fans have that there aren't good manager's available or they wouldn't want to come to us. Who gives a shit? We still have to try, just because we're unsure of who else could come in it certainly doesn't mean they couldn't do better than Ole and you'd assume (so long as we didn't sign a random ex player again with little coaching experience) they'd have every chance of improving us. We've retreated into our shell and it's almost as if we want to save face, so are just going to blindly stick with a coach who as no track record simply because he was a loyal player and gave us great memories.
We don't have a squad good enough to challenge for the PL, that is obvious but the squad isn't as useless as posters are making out. The players we have aren't as individually terrible as people claim, it's about finding a system to suit them and we simply haven't done that under Ole. At the moment we are fumbling our way through games under the pretence that if we had better players we'd suddenly be good again, have we not learned from our mistakes of just buying big name players and shoving them into a system that doesn't work with LVG and Mou. Take away the emotion and the fear of the unknown and I don't see how people are arguing he should stay.
There's a real underlying issue at our club that inhibits us massively, it's the kind of thing that makes posters claim 'we're not a sacking club' or 'United give managers time' as well as reference the mythical 'United way'. I can only think it comes from us struggling to come to terms with where we are in world football now and clinging onto some semblance of the past because that's when we were the undisputed heavyweight in English football. As if by standing by a manager, even if it's the wrong decision it makes us better than other clubs. It clouds every decision in sentimentality and nostalgia and is the very reason Ole was appointed in the first place - we bypassed everything that mattered (credentials) and just hired someone we liked and 'knew the club'.
Then maybe I guess there's the fear some fans have that there aren't good manager's available or they wouldn't want to come to us. Who gives a shit? We still have to try, just because we're unsure of who else could come in it certainly doesn't mean they couldn't do better than Ole and you'd assume (so long as we didn't sign a random ex player again with little coaching experience) they'd have every chance of improving us. We've retreated into our shell and it's almost as if we want to save face, so are just going to blindly stick with a coach who as no track record simply because he was a loyal player and gave us great memories.
We don't have a squad good enough to challenge for the PL, that is obvious but the squad isn't as useless as posters are making out. The players we have aren't as individually terrible as people claim, it's about finding a system to suit them and we simply haven't done that under Ole. At the moment we are fumbling our way through games under the pretence that if we had better players we'd suddenly be good again, have we not learned from our mistakes of just buying big name players and shoving them into a system that doesn't work with LVG and Mou. Take away the emotion and the fear of the unknown and I don't see how people are arguing he should stay.
Not leave. Like Hiddink with Chelsea.
Honestly don’t get this. He sold Fellaini and Lukaku, two effective players despite their limitations and didn’t plan for replacements. Yes, in theory the right call take 2 steps backwards so the replacements are players that take us 4 steps forward. But he fecked up the hard part of replacing them.
James is turning out to be a great signing so far. But Maguire and AWB were big rocket scientist level signings, they were the most obvious and attainable choices for CB and RB.
People acting like either he prised away De Light from Juventus or unearthed some unknown CB and RB.
Rodgers used to manage Liverpool. So not sure that will ever happen.
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