Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I don't think he's long term. Certainly see the season out but there's obviously been something missing since SAF left. I don't want to hark back, but players have come and gone, managers have come and gone - yet no one has managed to instil that psychological edge that the club used to have. The fact that you'd be 1 up at home before a ball is kicked. The fact that even when the team is 1 down away from home with 5mins to go, the game was still viewed as probably going to be won. There's a psychological component to team sport that's worth more than any player on the team. Liverpool are in that groove just now. How long it'll last we don't know, but Man Utd had it for near two decades. It's going to take a bit more time to find the right man to manage the team. Currently the feeling whilst the team is on a good run, is 'when do the wheels fall off again'? if the fans feel that, the team feel that.
This.. great post
It is, look at someone like Bruce at Newcastle so far. Many talked like Benitez was some sort of genius there for keeping them in the PL.
You can never say with certainty how a manager will do in a particular scenario, one of the reasons i don't buy into this 'we must sack Ole and get Poch at all costs' many seem to want.
He will do good.Oh wow! He must be genius
I hope so, but if he is backed as you say, damn fecking right he should be getting 3/4, that wouldn't be a big achievement, it'd be the least expected, just as it was for Moyes, LVG and Mourinho.
I do agree with you. If he doesn't do well he has to go.
I’ve been Ole out for some time now and still am as I don’t believe he’s the right manager to take us forward. But there’s no denying the last two matches, United seem to have reverted back to the style that got Ole the permanent job in the first place. He’s definitely bought himself more time and it’s deserved. The players are still fighting for him and that really says a lot.
United has managed top 4 twice since SAF left.
Yup, and 3 managers have been rightfully sacked because of that.
So you're saying that Liverpool should've got rid of Klopp after the same time that Ole has been at United??
Nobody's comparing him to Klopp. I'm just making the point that giving him time eventually reaped rewards for the Dippers.
Yeah it might not work out for Ole and that's fair enough but United have to give him time. We've played the best football under Ole than under Moyes, LVG and Mourinho. Imagine pulling the trigger, getting another manager in and ending up with another Mourinho situation. That would be disastrous.
Still comparing? feck me.
Klopp was light years ahead of Ole in his career, light years.
Point is, top 4 is not something that one can expect each year judging by the years since SAF. Should Ole do it in his first year, it's an achievement wether or not fans feel entitled to it as a minimum.
But his results with Liverpool were not. They're comparable.
Why don't people understand basic sentences, feck me!
This. At this current juncture I would not sack Ole and hire anybody other than Pep or Klopp and Ole beat Pep yesterday and halted Klopps run of wins earlier in the season so he’s holding his own in the big games. I want to see what this team and manager can do with a few quality additions.
To undo the good that Ole has done and to then compound that by throwing another 200 million down the drain would be disastrous and put us back to square one.
Except this time we have less money to throw at it and our appeal has weakened further.
He said if Ole is backed he could get it in his second season, read the posts before replying.
No, they aren’t because of their pedigree, it’s beyond daft to compare so just stop doing it.
I'm still where I was one week ago when we drew 2-2 at home to Aston fecking Villa. I don't think Ole is a good enough manager for a club wih serious ambition. I also don't believe the board are 'backing' this supposed plan, personally. It's a convenient excuse while we flounder around outside the top 4, and if Ole is able to get 4th this season he'll rightfully be kept around but believe me, he will NOT be backed financially. As far as our board is concerned, that will be job done and proof that what Ole has is good enough for their priority which is top 4.
The past two results have been incredible, yes. Ole has played a blinder, credit to him. But we are where we were 1 week ago - a game-raising team. If Ole can start putting lesser teams to the sword, like our next few fixtures, I will happily rethink my stance on whether he's good enough for this job. Until then, I view him as an underdog manager and Man United should not be managed by an underdog.
The past two results have been incredible, yes. Ole has played a blinder, credit to him. But we are where we were 1 week ago - a game-raising team. If Ole can start putting lesser teams to the sword, like our next few fixtures, I will happily rethink my stance on whether he's good enough for this job. Until then, I view him as an underdog manager and Man United should not be managed by an underdog.
Was going through my twitter TL and I agree with the tweet above. I still have major concerns if we can sustain our form. We have 9 fixtures that we should be winning in all honesty. I expect minimal to be points dropped over the next month. Anything other than that, and qualification to League Cup semi would be a total failure and would be a strong indictment of how Ole is only getting results against teams who are willing to play football against us, rather than him being a manager who gets the better of Mourinho, Pep etc. However, do well in those 9 fixtures and I think he should oversee January. The end of those 9 fixtures coincide with the start of January window. I think if Ole does well, over the next month, he should be given the January window to bolster our squad, and subsequently see out the season to try to get top 4 or win the Europa League or/and League Cup.
Precisely. Whether people are Ole in or out, I think everyone has their doubts about us vs other counter attacking teams. I'm hoping Everton proves a good fixture as they're bouncing back and should attack us somewhat, it's the Watford, Newcastle, Burnley run that really matters and where we have to aiming for maximum points. Can we remain competitive in big games and also open up the teams that sit back now we've got some confidence and a bit of positivity about us. At least I'm now excited about United games over the festive fixture list.
After 37 league games in charge at Liverpool, Klopp had managed 64 points. After 37 league games in charge for us, Ole has managed 64 points.
That being said, Liverpool started their first full season under Klopp like a house on fire, and had clearly improved from the season before, while we've struggled more. I think the reasons for our struggles are obvious (shipping soft goals, and a lack of depth and creativity in midfield and attack), and I think (or at least hope) that when these issues are sorted, we'll raise our game significantly.
TIME will tell with Ole I feel.
Yep me too. I think next 9 games will give us a good indication of where Ole is at as a coach. I certainly hope he proves me wrong.
The only important thing if people insist on comparing them is how many points they had on 8th December during their first full season, because he you see if there has been any progress made.
Imagine we won 6-7 of them. 18-21 points. I would definitely rethink my opinion of Ole if that happens.
Same here. Were 6 points behind Chelsea at this point and with more than half of season still to play, I think anything than a serious challenge for a top 4 spot from here on, would be a massive failure. No excuses about players, or lack there of.. talks of long term plans... etc etc. We've seen that this team is capable of, we've seen that this team is playing for the manager. We've got the squad here to challenge Chelsea's and Tottenham's. We have to spend in January and if we don't, I don't want to see Ole giving it the aul' company man routine -- he already stated he was happy with the squad once this year, whilst it was clear we needed 3-4 replacments. I appreciate its difficult to do business in January but at the same time we can sign players now if we like, they just cannot be registered until then. Also, I get that clubs don't want to part with players midseason but again, we've left yourselves in this precarious position, we shouldn't expect an easy negotiation and a free pass. I mean, of course clubs will want more money, like what did you expect? Have them gift wrap them for us as a late Christmas present? Doesn't happen. Anyway, as I said no excuses we need to perform strongly over next month and if we do then we have to challenge for top 4 and in Europa League, League Cup, FA Cup. If we don't then Ole's position will have to be evaluated, just like any other manager. He has bought another month for me, and heck I thought that was impossible only a week ago. Hopefully, I'll be eating humble pie next month, and I'll do it gladly but I please no more false dawns.
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At the start of the season I expected us to be top 6 - I think there are better sides than us and top 4 is beyond us at the moment due to the lack of quality in the squad. I'm still of that opinion and would accept it if we are in that position at the end of the season.
I expected 6th, very surprised we're sitting in 5th after 16 games considering our injury problems. Still think anyone talking about top 4 or 6-7 game winning runs will be disappointed (and no doubt asking for the manager sacked as a result), the squad isn't strong enough.
It's the manner of how we get there. If we plod along and get beaten by teams that we should be beating -- then there has to be serious questions asked. I don't think there is a United fan out there who'd bemoan us finishing 5th, 6th if it was a close race and we played well. What we've seen at Bournemouth, Newcastle, Sheffield, Villa at home, Palace at home, Rochdale, should not be tolerated.
First bolded part - this is where I am at personally. I wanted him gone tomorrow, but credit where it's due, he's doing well at present and i thought we'd get zero points from our last two games. I am now giving him a bit of slack until Christmas I reckon. But if we turn up against Everton playing underdog football and being unable to break them down, my stance will change again. We need to strike while the iron is hot now and start building confidence.
The second - YES. This is my main gripe with the 'Ole In' crowd - they seem to think that people like me genuinely want us to fail and take pleasure in us being shite. Nothing would make me bloody happier than to be proven completely and utterly wrong in my stance on Ole because that would mean the football team i support is succeeding!
Could you please elaborate?
I say they both inherited clubs who struggled and were in a mess. It's interesting to see if Ole can make the same kind of progress. But he obviously has less leeway at United than Klopp had at Liverpool. A bigger task at winning the fans over, too.
Ricardo Quaresma is no Cristiano Ronaldo.
I don’t get why you need an elaboration on different levels or quality. But should you struggle just remember..
Ricardo Quaresma
Cristiano Ronaldo
I think this is exactly what happens when we play the top 6. They come out to play, and we absolutely devastate them with our blistering pace. Credit where where credit is due. We look fantastic in counter attacks when we sit deep. And only when. Teams that let us have the ball, ultimately bewilder us. We find it hard to break them down, we don't show any attacking nous or any kind or cohesive football you'd expect us to play. Other than the top 6, teams are more than happy sitting deep and settling for a draw, and maybe picking us off. So, this is where I'd like to see improvement. Never had any qualms about us playing top teams. Problem is the are only about 10-12 games a season where we get to sit deep and play on the counter and use our pace to devastating effect. We play teams that sit deep, Rashford and James have stinkers as they're reduced to running into blind alleys.
Oh, and of course, I don't give a feck if I look like an idiot if Ole becomes the second coming or third in our case, I'll be a fool but a happy fool. I know there are twats on Twitter that pop up that would rather Ole fail to prove a point that they were right just to save face. That shit is pathetic.
Accepting mediocrity?
I did not ask for elaboration on "different levels of quality".
The long term plan is the main thing in all this. Wake up dude.
Without one we would go in circles.
Accepting reality. Getting back to the top takes more than a season.
Agreed. We are always an injury away from trouble. All of the teams we are competing against for the top 4 have better depth in midfield and attack.
Spurs for example brought Ndombele, Erikssen and Lo Celso on in the second half against us. Eric Dier was an unused substitute. Our midfield subs were Pereira, Garner and Mata.
I think the expectations in this thread are unreasonable for this reason. Moyes had a title winning squad. Jose and LVG spent nearly a billion pounds between them.
If we can add a couple in January we would have a much better chance. But even getting through the Xmas period unscathed may be tricky. It's a stressful time.
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