Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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I need to see him figuring out a way to deal with the sitting back defensive smaller teams before I change my vote, sorry. I agree he has done well against the big teams and that's something he can reflect fondly on if we do decide to part with him.
However while I massively enjoyed last night, especially the first 30 minutes, Tottenham played right into Ole's main gameplan as they were so open so we had lots of space to run into and counter attack them through, we know it's the small compact teams he struggles to unlock. If we keep playing like last night and losing 4-3 for example I'd probably be happy to give him more time
I've got a feeling we will beat City as they arent great defensively lately then probably lose to someone like Everton who I believe have now sacked their manager or Colchester.
Ole is correct we need to get a run of wins together and yes injuries have hampered him, however it is his job to work out how to put that run of wins together and get the players as fired up for the smaller clubs as he had them last night

One thing I will say about Ole is I'm getting no hint the players arent playing for him like I did with Jose I also think he has worked on the social media trend I haven't seen a "beans" video since the one he said he spoke to Jlingz about, nor do the players seem to have been as active on social media following a loss as they used to be. He always looks very smart in his suit and tie like he's trying to set a very small part of the culture he would like to see. I have absolutely no problem with them posting at the right time for example I enjoyed seeing their posts from last night
 
I'll admit I don't really get how we can be so bad at times, unwatchable frankly in a few matches. Even with lots of injuries we've managed to look good at times. I do feel like we're seeing the birthing pangs of a style trying to emerge from its shell.

It may never emerge fully, it may not come together. LVG and Jose had many games where a dominant style emerged, it wasn't enough, it never fully came together.

As I said last week, Ole has just about done enough. He has to keep progressing, the play has to get better, the dinosaur must emerge from its shell to rampage, eventually.

He deserves leeway because the squad needed a makeover that couldn't be accomplished in one window, and probably not over two either, January being what it is. He's brought Fred to life, McT is a first team player now, he's integrating Greenwood brilliantly, who looks great.

But the results have been disappointing, I'm sure we're underperforming for expected XP, or whatever it is. We beat Leicester, Chelsea, draw Liverpool, beat Jose's Spurs, draw at Wolves, we've done better in the more difficult games! I think this speaks to Ole's weakness, underestimating the danger of pushing forward in attack. He tried to attack too much at Swansea with players who weren't good enough. He was used to attacking all game at Molde. All and well for United, but getting that balance right is hard, and he's struggling at times. He has perhaps not shown enough respect to the attacking talent of the also rans. But I think he's capable of getting there.
 
dogwithabone said:
It’s a rollercoaster at the minute. I was 100% in the Ole out, Potch in camp, at 7.15 last night. By 9 I’m thinking perhaps we should stick with Ole if we can consistently replicate that sort of energetic, front foot football.

Time will tell but I’m re-energised as a Man Utd fan today and might well go full circle if we can beat City too.
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Our best first eleven is competitive enough to finish in the top four, comfortably, but our squad overall is as weak as anyone in the top 10.

Much of our hopes rely on that first eleven remaining relatively injury-free for as long as humanly possible, as another injury crisis will destroy those hopes - along with Ole's job.
 
DSG said:
I tend to disagree with this. You can’t, on one hand, praise him for his tactics against difficult sides managed by the likes of Klopp and Mourinho, while at the same time calling him out for poor tactics against Sheffield, Crystal Palace, etc. Moyes, LvG, and Jose all had issues with breaking down well organized sides, this has been going on for literally 7 seasons. We lack an in-the-box creator, and that just won’t go away until we address in the transfer windows.
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Look, why some bottom table clubs beat top clubs and as we love to say "are difficult team to beat"? Because it is much much easier to defend and play on counter attacks than have good attacking playing pattern. We struggle against minor teams because they do what we do against top clubs. Play aggressive and cautios so you need good attacking plan to beat them. Well we don't have that. Think about it; how many clear chances we created against Villa, Newcastle, SU, Bournemouth...? Who was more dominant side in those matches?
After 12 months in charge we don't see any Ole's signature. Stay back and wait for counter is something what is good for bottom table clubs but for club like us it is unacceptable.
That is why i am Ole out all the way. Not because we are 6th. If we play good football and if you can see progress then i would give him another season. But it is obvious from the plane that he is unalented manager. Putting faith in him is the same as expecting that Pereira will become top no10 if he gets playing time.
 
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Andycoleno9 said:
Look, why some bottom table clubs beat top clubs and as we love to say "are difficult team to beat"? Because it is much much easier to defend and play on counter attacks than have good attacking playing pattern. We struggle against minor teams because they do what we do against top clubs. Play aggressive and cautios so you need good attacking plan to beat them. Well we don't have that. Think about it; how many clear chances we created against Villa, Newcastle, SU, Bournemouth...? Who was more dominant side in those matches?
After 12 months in charge we don't see any Ole's signature. Stay back and wait for counter is something what is good for bottom table clubs but for club like us it is unacceptable.
That is why i am Ole out all the way. Not because we are 6th. If we play good football and if you can see progress then i would give him another season. But it is obvious from the plane that he is unalented manager. Putting faith in him is the same as expecting that Pereira will become top no10 if he gets playing time.
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I have more faith in Pereira, to be honest. But I agree with your sentiment, and it is one of the two main reasons this "rebuild" is going to fail and why OGS is not the man forward.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Look, why some bottom table clubs beat top clubs and as we love to say "are difficult team to beat"? Because it is much much easier to defend and play on counter attacks than have good attacking playing pattern. We struggle against minor teams because they do what we do against top clubs. Play aggressive and cautios so you need good attacking plan to beat them. Well we don't have that. Think about it; how many clear chances we created against Villa, Newcastle, SU, Bournemouth...? Who was more dominant side in those matches?
After 12 months in charge we don't see any Ole's signature. Stay back and wait for counter is something what is good for bottom table clubs but for club like us it is unacceptable.
That is why i am Ole out all the way. Not because we are 6th. If we play good football and if you can see progress then i would give him another season. But it is obvious from the plane that he is non talented manager. Putting faith in him is the same as expecting that Pereira will become top no10 if he gets playing time.
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We're not setting up to counter-attack against the smaller clubs, we're trying to dominate. Even if you disregard our lack of quality in comparison to other clubs above us, our players are best when they do what they are good at. Us not being able to do a whole bunch of different things tactically to win every game could come from the lack of knowledge from Ole as you claim, but it can also come from us lacking the right type of quality players that thrives when utilised against teams that sit deep. Our attack is pacy which is helpful but our creative players like Mata, Pogba etc are all indisposed/finished at this level.

What should be key players in those games have been Pereira, Lingard who has been in terrible form. There is nobody else at this point. If we calm down and just imagine that Ole were to continue to manage us we have to look at this season as a learning experience for him and a harsh evaluation process of the squad. I get frustrated when Lingard keep getting picked for a game, but I wont scream at the manager for it because I trust that every time Lingard gets the chance and disappoints it only means he'll be out in the summer. That is the only reasoning behind some of these decisions that makes sense, and while it might be that Ole is an idiot, this point about him playing what he has got while evaluating for the future might be relevant.

I'm on this. Even if I feel sure at this moment that Ole might not be the right man, I know that I ultimately can't know. From principle I would like us to not quit on this project yet. My expectation for what is to come might be unrealistic, but I expect us to get rid of a lot of players that has just been given new contracts. I expect us to sign a lot of players, the right players, and I expect to see better integration of our youngsters. I also do like the brand of football we're playing, and I expect a further development once the right players have been acquired. However, I have no patience left if these expectations aren't met in the next transfer-windows. It will mean once again that our managers decisions are compromised and it will mean that Ole is a yes man if he continues without saying a word at that point.

I don't think we're at that point and we're just certain that it is going to happen because we know how Ed works, and I sort of feel we're reinforcing that based on expectations on whats going to happen down the road rather than what we're seeing now. Honestly, based on last season and the lack of quality in our squad we aren't doing any worse than I expected. I would have hoped for a few more points after seeing the team put in decent performances thus I also feel we have been unlucky in a quite a few games. However, if it is true that we have been unlucky then we should expect better results until the end of this season.
 
Wolfmother said:
If that was true, i`m sure you would manage to be happy for the players and supporters, although it might be impossible for you to give some credit to the manager..
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What are you on about with that utterly strange comment. If what you say is true and not just the typical ole in cult rhetoric you’d actually quote something I’ve said to prove your point about what you’ve said about me.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Look, why some bottom table clubs beat top clubs and as we love to say "are difficult team to beat"? Because it is much much easier to defend and play on counter attacks than have good attacking playing pattern. We struggle against minor teams because they do what we do against top clubs. Play aggressive and cautios so you need good attacking plan to beat them. Well we don't have that. Think about it; how many clear chances we created against Villa, Newcastle, SU, Bournemouth...? Who was more dominant side in those matches?
After 12 months in charge we don't see any Ole's signature. Stay back and wait for counter is something what is good for bottom table clubs but for club like us it is unacceptable.
That is why i am Ole out all the way. Not because we are 6th. If we play good football and if you can see progress then i would give him another season. But it is obvious from the plane that he is unalented manager. Putting faith in him is the same as expecting that Pereira will become top no10 if he gets playing time.
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You never get tired of undermining your own team, do you? Haha! Even when you cherrypick examples your arguments fail.
Of the four matches you referred to, we were dominated for long periods by SU, even though we had the ball 60% and had around the same number of chances. The other three matches were dominated by us, and we created the most chances in all those games. We were not clinical enough in the opposition box, not cynical enough in our own box and had some margins going against us while also missing our most creative megastar to injury in all those matches. What the cherrypicked examples have in common is the results; they were worse than expected against weaker opposition.

What your post does not say a single word about is that between these matches, we have played some more games:
-Liverpool (H) 1-1 great performance, close to winning the match
-Partizan (A) 0-1 win, not the best performance, but still Partizans first home defeat in Europe in two years. A game where we started Garner, Williams, Mata, Lingaard, Rojo and Jones.
-Norwich (A) 1-3 Win, great performance. Totally bossed the game.
-Chelsea (A) 1-2 Win, decent performance against another top 6 team, scraping out a win
-Partizan (H) 3-0 Win, Great performance, starting with Greenwood, Garner also got good minutes
-Brighton (H) 3-1 Win, another great performance, starting Williams
Astana (A) 2-1 Loss, we fielded a U23 team and was an unbelievable miss away from killing the game on 0-1 in a rubber match. Common consensus that this was the right approach to this game
-Tottenham 2-1 (H) win, another great performance, started Greenwood.

As I think all here can see: it is not all black. If you can’t see improvents, you’re doing it wrong. I can’t wait to see a midfield of McTom/Pogba/Fred finally play together, Rashford has taken massive strides with Ole, Greenwood is developing fine, Garner and Williams are developing into squad-options and we are creating more chances. There is still a lot to work on, but with one or two good signings in January and a couple more in the summer, this team is going somewhere. And that is up. Statments like clueless, deluded, worst in the PL is nothing but your simple opinion, and it is not built on a balanced line of arguments, it is built on your populistic, cherrypicked, unbalance arguments carefully picked to fit your narrative. Fact is that we really don’t know if Ole will succeed or not. You can have an opinion, but you can’t know. I for one believe we can get really good under him with some reinforcements in January and summer, maybe even really, really good, but we will never know if we don’t give him a real chance (Yes, I will throw the injuries, rebuild and thin squad at you if you go there. That is not the point of this post)

My point is that when you only tell one side of a story, especially if you try to just highlight the negatives, your unbalanced arguments just fall right through and you prove yourself to be the definition of a crap supporter with a negative, undermining agenda. Allways looking for something negative to focus on. In stead of trying to start an antihype around the club you «support» with clever unbalanced punchlines, you should try to support your team instead. Try to find good things and build from that, rather that look for bad and rip things down. We can’t get contaminated with this selfdestructive virus, guys and girls!
 
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Pochettino rumours might have spur him and the team who likes playing for him. He still needs to spend in January for himself.
 
I don't think I've been so happy after two games in a row since Fergie retired. Two great wins in 4 days.
And man, Rashford is growing to be a true world-beater.
 
You can clearly see what he's trying to do here.

Always believed, hopefully, with a couple of players in January, we'll be even better.

Pogba in place of Jesse and we'll be even better.
 
I'm not gonna change my mind yet. But welldone Ole and the team. Absolutely brilliant and full credit to Ole for getting the tactics spot on for a superb performance. Well fecking done indeed..
 
Still in the Etihad had to post this

. We rocked the Etihad today the boys where unreal . That's for every one of the clowns on here crying everyday to get our manager sacked . Back your team back your manager and give him time to build his own team .

MANCHESTER IS RED !!!!
 
We beat Spur who was winning every game since Mourinho took over, and we beat City on their on own ground and we are now back to top 5. Our overall play is getting better and better and our players are starting to click, we should give Ole more time to build this team.
 
Chuffed. I've changed my mind. He has what it takes...to make it till the end of the season before someone more capable takes over.
 
Rado_N said:
I’m absolutely over the moon right now but I’ve not changed my mind.
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Same here, we made this mistake in the past after the PSG game.

It shows we have the quality to compete but not the consistency, somehow Ole is a great motivator for big matches and it shows on the results, while playing against bottom teams we seem so awful.
 
Thrilled with the result, but Martial for Pereira was a bad sub. Pereira offers feck all and Playing 5-5-0 is just asking for pressure.

Overall i thought we were brilliant for the first 30 and then pretty shite afterwards. I dont know if we were getting leggy or something, but they were wide open so no reason to hand over the initiative like that.

Beating Jose and Pep within 4 days though? Thats fecking good
 
Tel074 said:
Still in the Etihad had to post this

. We rocked the Etihad today the boys where unreal . That's for every one of the clowns on here crying everyday to get our manager sacked . Back your team back your manager and give him time to build his own team .

MANCHESTER IS RED !!!!
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This is the best post of 2019!!!!!
 
Credit for today’s performance absolutely, (although even though I understand need to defend second half was too deep for me)

Still think we can do better& you can’t forget fact we’re still 5 points of top 4- but i enjoyed today and was happy for him
 
SAFMUTD said:
Same here, we made this mistake in the past after the PSG game.

It shows we have the quality to compete but not the consistency, somehow Ole is a great motivator for big matches and it shows on the results, while playing against bottom teams we seem so awful.
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It will come, just need to be patient. Get a proper #10 so we don’t need to play Lingard, Pereira, or Mata, and we have a real team to compete.
 
Rado_N said:
I’m absolutely over the moon right now but I’ve not changed my mind.
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Yeah, it's an absolutely incredible win but seems a bit silly to shift between keeping him and sacking him every time we either win/lose, and it sort of lends credit to the overall impression that standards have been lowered massively when two (admittedly very good) wins on the bounce are enough to deflect from what's been a poor season. But as I said in one of the other threads I'm glad he's doing better insofar as even if it doesn't work out in the end, he'll eventually leave with some good lasting memories and without things descending into an embarrassment as we feared at one stage.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
Credit for today’s performance absolutely, (although even though I understand need to defend second half was too deep for me)

Still think we can do better& you can’t forget fact we’re still 5 points of top 4- but i enjoyed today and was happy for him
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Where we were heading some weeks ago, I'd say that's a positive, not negative.
 
Bobcat said:
Thrilled with the result, but Martial for Pereira was a bad sub. Pereira offers feck all and Playing 5-5-0 is just asking for pressure.

Overall i thought we were brilliant for the first 30 and then pretty shite afterwards. I dont know if we were getting leggy or something, but they were wide open so no reason to hand over the initiative like that.

Beating Jose and Pep within 4 days though? Thats fecking good
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He had to make a change as Martial is just coming back from a knock and probably thought Greenwood was a bit too raw to fight for the result.
 
manunited1919 said:
It will come, just need to be patient. Get a proper #10 so we don’t need to play Lingard, Pereira, or Mata, and we have a real team to compete.
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We do have a short squad but I dont think thats the main reason why Ole hasn’t been able to get us playing good football consistently.

Pereira is freaking awful, and Mata feck doesn’t even have the physicality to play in the MLS.
 
Tyrion said:
So they're(/we're) glory hunters for not changing our opinions after a win?

My opinion is still sign Poch to start next season and keep OGS until then.
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After a win ?
1-1 Liverpool
3-1 Norwich
0-1 Bournemouth
3-1 Brighton
3-3 Sheffield U
2-2 Aston Villa
2-1 Tottenham
2-1 Man City

Does a manager deserve to get sacked after that ?

We have won 4 out of 7
We have scored 12 goals in the last 5
We have beaten Chelsea, Tottenham and City
We should have beaten both Arsenal and Liverpool
 
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