I wondered how long it would be before I got hit with 'deluded', but one post!
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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I wondered how long it would be before I got hit with 'deluded', but one post!
You don't do your Ole in crowd any favours with stupid comments like this.
I'm sure those free-thinkers on the forum would understand the sentiment so will forgive me this one time.
You must be joking. No any other explanation.
And yet, another manager could look at Maguire and decide his lack of pace doesn't fit in with his brand of football. He could look at AWB and think he'd rather have a right back with good attacking abilities.
The theory that at least Solskjaer will leave the next manager an easier squad to handle might not be right.
Yeah it's a stupid idea thinking a Manager even if everything falls in his favour needs more than a year to do a three year job.
All these Keep Ole brigade, I would like to ask two questions.
1. You all say that this midfield is the worst in the PL. I don't agree but I will accept it when you say that. So why on Earth did he not strengthen the midfield? You may say he wanted a CB. Ok but surely we didn't have the worst CBs in the PL anyway. Even if we did, he could have got Soyuncu and Tielemans for 64. That means a very good CB and a very good midfielder. So why didn't he?
2. Though our midfield is terrible, they are able to kick the ball. So why can't he get them to take some decent corners with some variation?
I say there is no footballing reason for him to be at United. He doesn't have the capability to coach and manage a top club. I would say his coaches are also letting him down.
1. You all say that this midfield is the worst in the PL. I don't agree but I will accept it when you say that. So why on Earth did he not strengthen the midfield? You may say he wanted a CB. Ok but surely we didn't have the worst CBs in the PL anyway. Even if we did, he could have got Soyuncu and Tielemans for 64. That means a very good CB and a very good midfielder. So why didn't he?
2. Though our midfield is terrible, they are able to kick the ball. So why can't he get them to take some decent corners with some variation?
I say there is no footballing reason for him to be at United. He doesn't have the capability to coach and manage a top club. I would say his coaches are also letting him down.
A part from the first 65 minutes of the SU match, I don't think we have been outplayed by any of the low/mid-table clubs we have lost points against this season. While not being able to muster our best 11, we have lacked creativity, aggression in both boxes and been poor at finishing, while also suffering defensive brainfarts and worldies against us to get unflattering results. The blaim has to be shared between more than the manager alone. Against the top 6 clubs we have faced we’ve had great results and decent performances all the way. I’m not saying we’re playing great football, because we’re not, but is not black and white.
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Jose would have played to our strengths though, it would have been horrible to watch no doubt, but I think he'd have got more points. He's just got a bit more about him tactically.
There are a few documentaries about Ole and his time at Molde floating around youtube. You can catch a glimpse at what he is at training and what his ideas are.
It's basically this:
when you're close to the box or in the box - shoot
get the ball forward quickly and put it in the box
might as well add Paul Ince to the staff, get the true United way going
It's basically this:
when you're close to the box or in the box - shoot
get the ball forward quickly and put it in the box
might as well add Paul Ince to the staff, get the true United way going
Yeah Sheffield were the better team for 65 mins alright but we really should have won both games and were not outplayed by Villa.
Villa had much less possession, much less shots, half the shots on target, a lower pass completion and scored an absolute worldie.
Bit mad how we fail at those tactics though.
Did I? Remember saying we'll surprise a few this season, then going back a few months later to take the mickey out of myself for being wide of the mark, but we still may!
Not full support for Ed and the Glazers but they are too easy a target, I was as pissed off at the Glazer takeover as the next man but within a week got my head around what their ownership would be like and how financially it would impact the club going forward, and all these years on I don't feel the need to blame them every time we have a few dodgy results like many do.
Yes I watched the SAF years, I also watched us going from European Champions to being relegated inside 5 years never finishing higher than 13th
United owe me nothing, i've had 50+ years of very highs, and very lows, i'm not expecting anything to change, nor would I want it to.
A newbie with his head screwed on, there's hope for the forum yet!
1. I’ve definitely not said that our midfield is the worst in the league, it might even be top 4 quality, but without Pogba it is not. Without McTominay as well it is a mid-table midfield at best. Hard to foresee that we would be missing our best midfielder before the next window, even harder to foresee that our second best midfielder would get injured in the same period. We all agree that we need to improve our midfield, both in quality and depth if we wanna go somewhere with this squad, but let’s be honest at least: This is a typical in hindsight complaint, and you were screaming a lot louder about not replacing Lukaku in August.
2. I agree. I’m sick of our corners being too short and low, but today isn’t the best timing to bring this up maybe. Both goals yesterday came from headers from corner variations.....
Regarding your second question in question numbers one: Were Soyuncu and Tielemans safe bets, or is this another one of those in hindsight cases? Soyuncu played 371 minutes of PL football last season. Tielemans looked promising, but even though he was decent both in Monaco and Leicester last season, he sure wasn’t an obvious target for us.
If he doesn't get backed in January the club is an even bigger joke to be honest. You can't pretend to back a manager yet again and then not when its clear there is a desperate need.
Way to avoid the question as the question was the run of wins Ole had when he took over
Talking about this season, no point looking back at that period really in my opinion. We've seen nothing like it since.
This is in a magical land where Mourinho had a personality transplant and didn't lose the dressing room and get fired, I take it?
Well yes it's all hypothetical isn't it? At his core, he's clearly leagues above Ole as a manager. Even at his worst, he was still getting more points than Ole currently is, unless Ole pulls off a miracle in the next three games.
Weird mental gymnastics to get to this point and I really dont see why you'd want to invent a scenario so divorced from reality.
Well lucky for me I didn't invent such a scenario and was just following along with a discussion on a internet message board.
Easily ignored in the absence of a (good enough) result.
But you're right. Stats weren't horrible.
Ain't about stats, though - not that type of stats, anyway. It's about where we should be seeing...something...in the way we play. Consistently, that is.
I said, around the time just after Ole was announced as permanent manager (and I was against that - I didn't consider it wise, for various reasons, to make it permanent at the time) that what I expected from him was mainly (to see) a consistent style being implemented. With regard to pressing, with regard to patterns, with regard to - well - the whole feckin' unit looking somewhat well drilled.
Haven't seen that, to be honest. We still look somewhat disjointed - or too disjointed, too frequently. There isn't an undeniable improvement on the whole. There are all kinds of mitigating circumstances, and the front trio look devastating at times (but it means feck all until we see it regularly).
As I've - also - said before, mitigating circumstances are nice but they don't mean much the longer into someone's tenure you get without that "undeniable improvement" part.
Still - yeah, you're essentially right with regard to that particular match. They didn't actually "outplay" us in any meaningful sense, and the difference between a point and the full three was a worldie you usually avoid. Again, though - overall picture: what do you see? Genuinely promising stuff - only undermined by a bit of bad luck, injuries, calculated lack of squad quality in some positions (it wil be addressed, though), feck knows what? Or - well, the alternative is obvious.
Everything in sports and especially football is a calculated gamble. We got world class players in Veron, De Maria, Falcao to name a few. It didn't work because not they were bad players but because they didn't fit into the system.
My point is that Ole should have strengthened the midfield. This is not in hindsight. I have no problems of Lukaku being sold. I have no problems if he didn't buy a striker either this season. I didn't have a problem if he didn't buy a CB if he strengthened the midfield.
Given that there is no guarantee that Soyuncu and Tielemans would play that well under Ole.
He simply is not a top class coach. Someone posted a gif of our strikers not attacking the ball that's crossed in front of the goal. That simply because we have only one player who is naturally capable of that and he is Greenwood and he is one the bench most of the time.
Less than Ole, obviously.
However we should consider the timing, as Jose was at the end of his managerial cycle, and the fact that Ole hasn't been able to replicate that form ( not even come close to it).
Yeah and the original question was to do with the quality of the squad Ole took over, the run the team went on and whether Mourinho would have done better.
It wasnt about this season.
I wouldnt disagree with anything you're saying. However I do think stats are an excellent indication of how a team is performing and whether things are moving in the right direction.
Obviously the squad is waffer thin and between Ole and the board they have gambled and lost in this regard.
We've seen the club dither on transfers in the past so I lean towards either the money wasnt there or the club ran out of time then to believe Ole chose to go into the season without midfield reinforcements but we just dont know.
I still dont think all is lost this season and that keep thinking the teams luck will turn. Also if you put Pogba and McTominay into this team they are easily good enough for top 4 but still a good few signings away from a title challenge.
Ole may not be the man to take the team to a title challenge but I'm not sure much more could have been done thus far with the players available.
Firing him now without a top quality manager ready and willing to come in would make things worse imo.
United on course for a 50 point season. Watford got 50 points last season finishing 11th, and now look at them. United could well be where Watford are this time next season if the current setup is left in charge.
Are you saying Greenwood should start over Martial? I’m not so sure many managers would...
Most people were praising that video when he became interim... I remember thinking it was a sign of a limited manager. Also the game vs Spurs when we won 1 nil and de Gea made like 30 saves was when I first pointed out that Ole freezes under pressure and his in-game management is none existent. Because Spurs were dominating for so long and he did nothing it was only bad finishing and consistent work fromDe Gea that prevented them scoring two or three by the time Ole made a change, which was bring on Lukaku let Spurs attack hope they don’t score and try to hit them on the break.
Yeah I pointed it out several times that he was bollocking them for not playing dinosaur tactics
Exactly. All it does is teaches people to shot regardless of if they can pass it to someone whose in a better position, or if the shot will obviously get blocked etc
I'd like to see this poll done again. I know you can change your vote but it's not something people generally think about doing.
Lose to Spurs at home and a convicing loss (3-0) to City and he's gone in my opinion. I love the guy but he's not the man to manage United. Sad, sad times.
So being outplayed for 65 mins by Sheffield and we were lucky to nit a draw is OK? We should have lost by 2 or 3 - 0 if not for the miraculous 7 mins of the game.
Villa felt gutted with a draw at OT. Enough said.
I’m thinking the same now.
Haven’t changed my vote yet.
Sad if we’re holding out not to get thumped 3-0 in each of the next two.
Yeah, think the thread should be close and re vote out if interest. I don't expect we would see the same results.
So many vote would be left over from months ago I reckon.
Sounds like Brexit
We're due a result that will save Ole's job. Reckon we'll do well against Spurs and earn a hard fought draw. Won't be a surprise if we manage to scrap a 1-0 win while parking the bus. It's pretty much LVG's second season all over again.
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