No one loves being 10th. Everyone have the e-winning mentality, doesn’t mean everyone should make up shit as they go along like how how we won because teams didn’t take us seriously.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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No one loves being 10th. Everyone have the e-winning mentality, doesn’t mean everyone should make up shit as they go along like how how we won because teams didn’t take us seriously.
You brought up my ten wins on the bounce prediction which was 7 games ago, your hard work
With Poch available it’s easy decision. We don’t even have to deal to Levy. If he wants break then have some sort of agreement with him , he can take a month or 2 off and then join the club in second half of the season. He will have time to assess the squad and prepare for next season.
The tactics part is bought up repeatedly on here. Besides the fact that very few if any of us are qualified to judge or even recognise what is good coaching, how do people explain the fact that we have performed well in the matches against the best opposition? Our record is at minimum adequate, at best pretty good.
Forgetting the earlier poster who claims its because these opponents don't take us seriously and phone it in, do people here not think that this is somewhat encouraging? Or if not encouraging, then at least a valid point to argue the case that this management team aren't as bad as many seem to want to believe.
Pochettino winning something ?
At least Klopp was a winnerExplain the 1.19 goals pr game ?
Yeah you keep booing Pogba and claiming to be a better fan. Your pathetic, Atleast I don’t lie to myself.
So we were one late conceded goal away from being 5th instead. Would that make a difference to your opinion? The things we are talking about here are not solely about league position. That criticism should, and will, come when the manager is able to bring in quality and depth to cover the squad issues. For me anyway.
I've never booed or sweared at Pogba like that on this forum. I'm putting you on ignore now, have fun with your disgusting agendas.
I think the winter transfer window is going to be key, if we can bring a few faces in, even in terms of decent experience to provide cover we could realistically push on for the second half of the season but if we stick with what we have and don't progress in the league, or cups, he will have no excuses left. This nonsense about the right players not being available is not acceptable, we just won't pay what it costs to prise them away from their clubs.
You still seem unwilling to look at it past the results. There were loads of threads on here before the season started that were about expectations and what fans would see as acceptable. Some people said top 4, some said top 6, while others said league position did not matter as long as they could see some form of improvement. Just because our league form has been bad does not mean we are not heading the right direction. Pretty much everyone on here realized and agreed we were in a rebuild, so while results were not unimortant they were not the be all end all either.
Personally i am much more concerned where we are two years from now than where we end up this year. Granted we move in the right direction. With Jose and LvG it was abundantly clear they both aimed for immediate success, which in turn lead to a lot of short-term, knee jerk transfers. If Ole had went out and bought a bunch of 29 year olds this summer, i would have wanted him gone before we kicked of the season.
Of course managers are important, and i am not saying no one would have done better, but imo its pretty naive to think that simply just changing managers will fix us. Fact remains that the board/Ed is still a problem and outside of the obvious starting XI there is still a frightening amount of deadwood in our squad. If say Poch managed us, and he had gone on an identical run my stance would be exactly the same
The last couple of games have been decent to watch imo. First half yesterday was fecking awful, but its been quite a time since i had that feeling i had after our comeback. Attack has looked 10x better since Martial got back and i am pretty confident we will look better once Pogba and Scott is fit too. As i said, results wise it has been pretty bad but i think he has the right ideas regarding player recruitment and where he wants to take us
And Ole is not as nice as he seems. Him smiling in interviews is just a facade and there have been plenty of players who said he is no stranger to a good hairdryer and considering how he cut out Lukaku he can be quite ruthless as well.
If we are talking about conspiracies, is it not possible Ed hired a popular figure to shield himself and then shafted him in the transfer window and let him take the fall (again). Fact is that we spent only 80 million net this window, which is quite a bit less than both Jose and LvG was allowed and that is not even accounting for inflation of player prices. I still maintain that Oles transfers have been the best one since Fergie and if the next three ones are as good then we will suddenly start to look in real good shape. Fergie for example was not a master tactician and regularly got outfoxed by Jose and Lippi, coaching he mostly trusted to his coaches. What Fergie was the best in class at was identifying and getting the right players and right now i think this takes precedence over immediate results
Yeah and I said it was selective stat picking and then listed stats about the season as a whole, then you started banging on about last season, then started saying my stats were wrong and listed the last 7 games even though I clearly stated they were about the full season.You brought up my ten wins on the bounce prediction which was 7 games ago, your hard work
Well nearly every form stat you ever see takes last 6 games as a rule, so based on that it could be worse.
I'd say the main reason is that, because like many average sides, we are primarily a defensive team set up to counter attack and that is more beneficial against big sides who set up to attack rather than to defend. I'd say our terrible results and performances against bad sides is far more damning than our decent performances and results against good sides is positive.
I don't really think it's encouraging. Or, well, maybe it's encouraging in some aspect but then is basically cancelled out by the fact than in around 80% of the other games we player against weaker opposition we look average at our best and the shittest side in the league at our worst. We used to be great against the good sides under LvG too and despite that it was clear that he wasn't good enough. Ole is no exception to that.
Like I said, I don't really dispute your positives, I can see why they'd all be seen as positives. I disagree that he did well in the transfer window but I won't argue that here. The problem is that those positives are only a small facet of what you'd expect from a manager at Man Utd and the reality is that Ole has been a failure at the two most important facets of them all; Attacking football, and results.
Oh well THEN, ok, fine, don't worry lads, the last six games were only half-shite, not as shite as before, so yeah, everything is rosey. Forget all about the rest of the season, it means nothing. GGMU!
You are talking about improvement and there clearly isn’t any, we can’t even compete with the toxic team of last year.
I can see beyond the results, Ole isn’t a very good manager, he isn’t doing a very good job, he won’t become a good manager or do a good job just bu us giving him loads of time. No other Premier League team would have or ever will employ him, no decent team in Europe will.
He’s performing as we should expect him to perform, it’s not a master plan just a poor manager who is struggling.
Heeey, its the famous behind the scene improvement he is talking about, the one we dont know anything about.
I have given plenty of concrete examples i see as improvements (most notably squad wise) but since you seem unwilling to accept those as improvements i dont see us getting anywhere with this.
I'm dreading Ed letting him go to Bayern without a fight. Will go down as the worst Exec decision in footy history if that happens only for Ole to show he's not the right man a couple months later
All the Spurs fans seem to think he can't join anyone until the summer?
Yeah, Woodward wanted him for years when he was under contract, now that he is available it will be typical Woodward to not even try, assuming Ole will be new SAF.
Don’t think anyone knows. Might be true as usually managers don’t join in the same league immediately. Maybe they are assuming it based on payoff, that if he takes up another job he won’t get pay off. It shouldn’t stop as he will get much bigger contract.
Would usually mean a reduction in his compo also if he takes a job straight away, remember LVG refusing one apparently so he could get every penny out of united as a form of retribution.
Since made permanent, he is averaging 1.19 points/game on average (25 points from 21 league games so far), that's enough for 45 points in the league.
Have a look at previous years and see what 45 points will get you. It puts into context our position this season.
The last 5 years, 45 points is 13th 3/5 times.
So we have been near the bottom of the table, mid-table if we have a win a two. I would say our position this season is nothing surprising, he is simply performing to his level.
To anyone Ole in, how do you explain your stance?
Do you think Crystal Palace, Watford, West Ham etc have better squads than us?
Do you think it's reasonable for a club our size, to be writing off multiple seasons, in order to see if he is capable of improving dramatically? Or have you all collectively given up and are just happy to take part now, as long as you have a manager fueling your fantasies of years gone by?
Have a look at previous years and see what 45 points will get you. It puts into context our position this season.
The last 5 years, 45 points is 13th 3/5 times.
So we have been near the bottom of the table, mid-table if we have a win a two. I would say our position this season is nothing surprising, he is simply performing to his level.
To anyone Ole in, how do you explain your stance?
Do you think Crystal Palace, Watford, West Ham etc have better squads than us?
Do you think it's reasonable for a club our size, to be writing off multiple seasons, in order to see if he is capable of improving dramatically? Or have you all collectively given up and are just happy to take part now, as long as you have a manager fueling your fantasies of years gone by?
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That's some serious bigging up of the Championship, I doubt any side from that level would have won at Partizan who hadn't lost at home in Europe(both comps.)in 13 games.
That's a cop out if ever i have seen one.
My opinion is based on the evidence i presented. I am asking Ole in supporters, to challenge my reasoning and show me what i am missing.
If you're not capable of doing so, well...
You said our recent games show progress, I just can’t understand what you are measuring that against. We’ve regressed from a year ago, we’ve regressed from when Ole was Caretaker, we’re treading water in the league and now apparently results don’t matter.
Well we've started scoring some goals, for a start. Until recently we couldn't buy a goal, even if we managed to win a penalty it was unlikely to go in.
Poch coming in wouldn't be knee jerk, he's well reported to be a long term target. We'd just be acting in an opportunistic manner by hiring him now.
This time last year we’d scored one more goal, conceded less and have less points.
The only progress I see is Ole dragged us down to relegation candidate level and has now improved us a bit but has still made us worse than any other manager post SAF. I don’t find that impresive.
This is the part none of them can answer truthfully. The uncomfortable thing is our squad is actually good enough to be in the fight for top 4 - we'd be an outside bet but the league is so open this year.
The owners and Ed are what they are and I can't see us challenging for the PL with them. However that doesn't mean expectations and standards get thrown out of the window - everyone agrees and accepts we need a rebuild but to do that you surely need someone who has built something before? We've gone with someone with virtually zero experience in arguably the most important time in our PL history and his record has been dreadful, what benefit is there is prolonging this?
Problem is, outside the first 11 the squad is mid table at best. Sure, we can argue all day on who`s fault that is, but nobody knows.
Truth is the first team has not had time to gel or play together, and i dont think its rocket science to figure out what that means. If Chelsea or Leicester miss a few key players they will struggle to. And they will.
Zero experience building? He built a Molde team twice. Its not like there is a spine of that team still intact. They are a selling club. And he did it and competed in Europe twice. Just look at the player turnover at transfermarkt.
You're moving the goalposts. You asked what progress has been shown in recent games, not how do we compare to last year or any other year since SAF.
Sorry, Ole, but it's not working. I'm not seeing anything to suggest much is going to change. There's been some bad luck in that a couple of scored penalties and a different VAR call would have put us comfortably 5th, but the performances would still be pretty dire and I wouldn't have any confidence it could be turned into a top 4 finish.
We're one late goal conceded away from not being a trebel winner. Doesnt change the fact that we are trebel winner.
You cant always relies on buts and ifs.
Yes, sometimes football is a fine thin margin. If robbin goals doesnt goes in, if scholes goals is allowed there would be no mourinho, bottom line is we can only see the facts at hand.
Slight exaggeration? As much as I like him Poch isn't the best coach in our league, let alone the trophy guarantee that many on here will have us believe. If Ole goes, then Poch would be a fine choice, but lets not go overboard.
Im not doing that - in fact I'm doing the exact opposite. You are sulking about being 10th - I'm pointing out that we could be 5th but for 1 moment, and it wouldn't change anything. This is a long term project - losing your shit after every game we don't win doesn't change that. We aren't going to be that much better until we sort out the problems in our squad - no matter who is in charge.
Hardly relegation candidate form this season
https://int.soccerway.com/teams/england/manchester-united-fc/662/matches/
Compared with the much coveted Poch it looks a damn sight better on paper
https://int.soccerway.com/teams/england/tottenham-hotspur-football-club/675/matches/
(Assuming these links work)
We need to sack Ole asap. It's the only way to kill off the multiple 'Ole Out' threads dominating the forum.
I love Ole and he is a club legend player no matter what. But we will regret it if we miss out on Poch.
This is the wrong mentality.
Off course you can get better with better manager. Every bit helps. If player's is all that matters why do we bother looking for the next saf? Just hire humpty and dumpty and give him 500m.
We arent getting any better until we install a better manager. Someone that can coach the team. Someone that commands respect. If ole isnt the man sack him, keep on sack and hire u til we find the one. It's what every other team is doing until they find their man.
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