Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Adnan]

Fergie winning the Cup Winners' Cup is impressive, to be sure, but that was a different time to now. You had smaller teams punching more above their weight than what you tend to have now. Let's take a look at some of the illustrious sides who won it:

Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.

What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.

What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European trophy by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.

 

[Andycoleno9]

You want Poch in who is 11 points off 4th, with what pretty much everyone would agree is a better squad and years of getting them to play exactly how he wants.

Yes, his career and job in Spurs and Ole's career in United is the same thing. Come on man, i think that you know how stupid that comparison is

 

[Andycoleno9]

Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?

Then people should talk only about what they know? If someone is i don't know..dentist, then he can talk only about teeth i guess.
And does that go other way around? How come you can say that we are wrong about Ole? You are a football manager?

 

[Foxbatt]

Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?

This takes the biscuit. How do you know if some at CAF got the chance to manage a club they might have done better than Ole? Just like you are giving Ole the benefit of the doubt why not someone from CAF?
He became a football manager and the chance at Molde because he was an Manchester United player from Norway. Many ex United players who want to become Managers got the chance because they were ex players. Norway is a small league. Bryan Robson got Boro into a Final but relegated them. Ole only relegated Cardiff. He has shown nothing that he can be a successful manager at a top club.

 

[Jippy]

Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?

Most? Would love to know which of the haters on here have achieved more in football management than Ole.

 

[Catt]

Does ole ever gives instructions from the pitch?

Yes.

 

[Leftback99]

Yes, his career and job in Spurs and Ole's career in United is the same thing. Come on man, i think that you know how stupid that comparison is

Historic comparison of their careers is fair and obviously Poch comes out on top (doesn't necessarily mean it will continue the same in the future).

It's just odd that you are saying being 13 (maybe 10) points off 4th is a 'must sack' situation and shows that he's definitely not good enough but for your managerial favourite with a better squad it's not any reflection of how good a manager he is. Why is one seen as definitive proof but the other just a blip (which has lasted the whole of 2019)?

Tomorrow we'll have nearly a full season (32 games) of results to compare Solskjaer and Poch. Currently it's 53 points vs 45.

 

[Greck]

That's a wildly baseless assumption, mate.

I agree Ole isn't the right man to lead the club forward, but I would be reluctant to pull the trigger on him just yet because I have no confidence in the man afforded the responsibility to do the sacking and then choose a suitable replacement.

Four managers sacked, £800 million spent and wasted on transfers and multiple finishes outside the top four. All of this occurred under Ed Woodward, CEO.

If Ole goes, Woodward goes with him.

You're creating an unnecessary conundrum. Ole leaving can be independent of Woodward leaving. You also know very well Ed isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why admit Ole isn't the right man only to demand that his sacking be conditioned on an unlikely event (Woodward leaving)

 

[Foxbatt]

Most? Would love to know which of the haters on here have achieved more in football management than Ole.

So now Ole is being compared to the people on CAF? How have Manchester United fallen? We should be comparing our manager to the top managers of the world. Not to someone from a footyboard.

 

[el3mel]

Moyes also knows about football far more than Caf posters.

I guess we should have let him finish his 6 years plan after all.

 

[Un4givableB]

What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.

How dare you use real facts, cold logic and knowledge of football in an augment, it must have taken him a whole 3 mins of googling to find Mechelen and Royal Antwerp to bolster a joke augment.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Historic comparison of their careers is fair and obviously Poch comes out on top (doesn't necessarily mean it will continue the same in the future).

It's just odd that you are saying being 13 (maybe 10) points off 4th is a 'must sack' situation and shows that he's definitely not good enough but for your managerial favourite with a better squad it's not any reflection of how good a manager he is. Why is one seen as definitive proof but the other just a blip (which has lasted the whole of 2019)?

Tomorrow we'll have nearly a full season (32 games) of results to compare Solskjaer and Poch. Currently it's 53 points vs 45.

No, it is currently Poch career in Spurs and Saints in which he did well( i don't want to start another topic here and talk about it) against Ole's career in Cardiff which was epic disaster and Ole's current career in United which is minor disaster( so far).

I don't get you. You really don't see how shit manager Ole is? After one year in charge, we play defensive football and play on counter attacks. No pattern in general play at all. He had 6 free months to evaluate squad( which finished 2nd), he had that famous pre-season, he had his transfer window and what happened? We have 13 points from 11 games without playing big away game. 13 points from CL spot.

 

[Andycoleno9]

So now Ole is being compared to the people on CAF? How have Manchester United fallen? We should be comparing our manager to the top managers of the world. Not to someone from a footyboard.

Tbh, it is a winner in any debate on any football forum. "How many of you played football for United? Then shut up and leave Lingard/Jones alone".

 

[Foxbatt]

How dare you use real facts, cold logic and knowledge of football in an augment, it must have taken him a whole 3 mins of googling to find Mechelen and Royal Antwerp to bolster a joke augment.

That Royal Antwerp team had International players who played for Belgium in the World Cup Finals and also a regular Yugoslav International. So it was not a mickey mouse team. The Mechelen side beat Ajax in the Final. Again most of them were Belgian Internationals and played in the World Cup too.

 

[Eriku]

What about being the last manager to break the old firm stranglehold in Scotland to this day? Even without winning a European trophy by defeating Real Madrid, he would've got the United job on merit due to his success at Aberdeen.

Sure, and Ole got Molde their first title ever. Clearly Fergie had more merit, but his and Ole’s credentials are being compared with no consideration for context. That’s all.

 

[Random Task]

You're creating an unnecessary conundrum. Ole leaving can be independent of Woodward leaving. You also know very well Ed isn't going anywhere anytime soon so why to admit Ole isn't the right man only to demand that his sacking be conditioned on an unlikely event (Woodward leaving)

After three failed managerial appointments under his leadership and large sums of money wasted on transfers that he himself negotiated, suggesting that his future as chairman hinges on the success of OGS and that their fates are intertwined is far from an unlikely event.

 

[Jippy]

So now Ole is being compared to the people on CAF? How have Manchester United fallen? We should be comparing our manager to the top managers of the world. Not to someone from a footyboard.

The defences of our tumescent performances are getting increasingly desperate.

 

[Random Task]

Just a slight concern, nothing to worry about. Half of RedCafe would have signed same players so I assume we all qualify for the job.

Belittling Ole's work in the transfer market because 'half of Redcafe would have signed the same players' is the best argument yet.

 

[dove]

Belittling Ole's work in the transfer market because 'half of Redcafe would have signed the same players' is the best argument yet.

My point was he has done absolutely nothing other manager couldn't have. We were strongly linked with Maguire last season and AWB was very highly rated in PL by everyone.

 

[Adnan]

Sure, and Ole got Molde their first title ever. Clearly Fergie had more merit, but his and Ole’s credentials are being compared with no consideration for context. That’s all.

No one had Ole as even a consideration for the United job when Mourinho was sacked. Not even one fan. There was many that wanted Eddie Howe from Bournemouth due to his attacking style, but those fans were ridiculed and now we've ended up with a manager who is inferior to Howe, do you agree?

Winning the first title in Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc shouldn't put a manager in consideration for the United job IMO. There was a abundance of managers who were far more qualified in the top 5 European Leagues that would've been far more suitable to our rebuild in comparison to Ole, due to experience and tactical nous IMO. But most of us were taken in by those early games he had as a caretaker and that includes me..

The Scottish League that SAF won with Aberdeen was far stronger than the league we see now in Scotland. The quality of both the English and Scottish Leagues at the time were alot closer than what we see now.

 

[Foxbatt]

Belittling Ole's work in the transfer market because 'half of Redcafe would have signed the same players' is the best argument yet.

On the flip side asking anyone from CAF if he or she has managed a football club to success in a European League or played for Manchester United is the same.

 

[Eriku]

No one had Ole as even a consideration for the United job when Mourinho was sacked. Not even one fan. There was many that wanted Eddie Howe from Bournemouth due to his attacking style, but those fans were ridiculed and now we've ended up with a manager who is inferior to Howe, do you agree?

Winning the first title in Norway, Sweden, Denmark etc shouldn't put a manager in consideration for the United job IMO. There was a abundance of managers who were far more qualified in the top 5 European Leagues that would've been far more suitable to our rebuild in comparison to Ole, due to experience and tactical nous IMO. But most of us were taken in by those early games he had as a caretaker and that includes me..

The Scottish League that SAF won with Aberdeen was far stronger than the league we see now in Scotland. The quality of both the English and Scottish Leagues at the time were alot closer than what we see now.

Ole was a fine option for caretaker. Gives him a shot, can't feck it up too bad, and "gets" the club.

I agree that his CVs not good enough, but it was good enough to give him a shot as caretaker, IMO. Maybe we should have stuck with that, but it was easy to get taken in from that start, obviously.

But yeah, I don't want anybody to think I'm belittling Fergie's CV, or trying to claim Ole's is incredible... I'm just sick of the complete grinding into the ground from all the toxic fecks who can't fecking muster up some nuance if the life of their own child depended on it. And clearly there was more diversity in terms of teams who won things, and in terms of where quality players went back then. Fergie wasn't just playing with humps in his squad either.

 

[Adnan]

Ole was a fine option for caretaker. Gives him a shot, can't feck it up too bad, and "gets" the club.

I agree that his CVs not good enough, but it was good enough to give him a shot as caretaker, IMO. Maybe we should have stuck with that, but it was easy to get taken in from that start, obviously.

But yeah, I don't want anybody to think I'm belittling Fergie's CV, or trying to claim Ole's is incredible... I'm just sick of the complete grinding into the ground from all the toxic fecks who can't fecking muster up some nuance if the life of their own child depended on it. And clearly there was more diversity in terms of teams who won things, and in terms of where quality players went back then. Fergie wasn't just playing with humps in his squad either.

I actually like Ole and hope he succeeds. But I have my doubts for obvious reasons. But until he's still in the job he has a chance to turn it around. I just feel he didn't make best use of the money he had to spend in the summer. Splashing £130m on a non attacking fullback and a CB was abit naive considering we had a dysfunctional midfield and attack. Then to see the likes of Smalling, Fellaini, Sanchez, Herrera etc leave without bringing in adequate replacements was a very risky move IMO.

 

[Eriku]

I actually like Ole and hope he succeeds. But I have my doubts for obvious reasons. But until he's still in the job he has a chance to turn it around. I just feel he didn't make best use of the money he had to spend in the summer. Splashing £130m on a non attacking fullback and a CB was abit naive considering we had a dysfunctional midfield and attack. Then to see the likes of Smalling, Fellaini, Sanchez, Herrera etc leave without bringing in adequate replacements was a very risky move IMO.

Yeah, that's fair. I've been using the analogy that it's like we broke our leg when Fergie left and Moyes came in, gutting the club as he did. Then it grew back together, through Mourinho and LvG, but it grew together crooked. We have a huuuuge bloated squad, on ridiculous wages, some which have/had attitudes that clearly weren't good enough for a club like this. All this while every other club is still highly motivated to smash United. This is also why I find the lazy comparisons to other mid-table teams a bit ridiculous. Everton don't have players looking to get a huge headline by taking their scalp, that's just another day at the office. Not so when United come to town.

Ole comes in, and the decision is to break the leg again and re-set it. It's fecking agonising, and we're hobbling badly right now, but it may be the right thing for the long term. It definitely is risky, though, as you pointed out. I may be naive but I truly do believe Ole is doing it because it's right, even though it is risky for his continued employment. He might have been doing better now if he asked us to get in Dybala, regardless of whether we're just another big name and pay-day on his CV.

I believe we're on a decent path, even in our lessened state, it's just going to take time to get raise ourselves up again.. But at least Ole seems to be recruiting players who truly want here, instead of just getting in signings because we need someone. Maybe we should have done better in the market, but none of us know just how much of that is on Ole, Woodward, and the rest.

I freely admit that I may be totally and utterly wrong, though, and I wouldn't refer to cults or lack of brains among those who aren't as optimistic. I fecking hate the atmosphere in this forum right now.

 

[croadyman]

We are in 14th position, behind Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Crystal Palace, Newcastle and Everton. How can anyone defend this?

People will mention that we have a game in hand, but we are not able to escape the mid-table teams because we are performing like one. We will be dragged back into even if we did win tomorrow.

This team is better than the position we are in. We have a better attack and defence than all of those sides. Our midfield is only on par with them when Pogba is out, but having two superior areas should be enough to get you above them.

Solskjaer is massively under performing. It is not the best side (in particular, the midfield is average), but it is better than what we have been showing under Solskjaer.

He really needs to go. I agree about giving a manager time, but you cannot just give a manager time for the sake of it; the manager needs to actually show something before he is given time. Solskjaer has not show anything.

Nope it means that we are like a mid table side that raises their game against the top teams but sinks back to mediocrity against the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton & Crystal Palace

That is absolutely spot on and definitely feels like we are turning into that kind of team which is absolutely disgraceful

 

[croadyman]

47% of you want to keep him. We're 14th ffs!

Gluttons for punishment aren't ya!

That's a wildly baseless assumption, mate.

I agree Ole isn't the right man to lead the club forward, but I would be reluctant to pull the trigger on him just yet because I have no confidence in the man afforded the responsibility to do the sacking and then choose a suitable replacement.

Four managers sacked, £800 million spent and wasted on transfers and multiple finishes outside the top four. All of this occurred under Ed Woodward, CEO.

If Ole goes, Woodward goes with him.

Yeah totally agree that Woody has to be removed from his position, absolutely ridiculous we haven't got a proper DOF in place and will inevitably end up sacking Ole before still not bothering to appoint one.

 

[Banana Republic]

We could be seventh if we win tomorrow, just a point behind 5th.

Perspective?

Perspective? Here’s some perspective.

If we win we’ll be in 7th place, but if Villa also win at Wolves, there’ll only be 4 points between 5th place and 17th.
If Villa lose to Wolves, it will be 6 points between 5th and 17th.

7th place will only put us near the top of 13 rubbish teams, all hovering just a few points above the relegation zone.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Look at Leicester- good manager gets them playing well & high up the league.
Sheffield United- the same.
Both with objectively worse players than us.

We’ve decided to stick with Ole so mid table season it will be & we deserve it as we’re sticking with him

 

[dove]

Look at Leicester- good manager gets them playing well & high up the league.
Sheffield United- the same.
Both with objectively worse players than us.

We’ve decided to stick with Ole so mid table season it will be & we deserve it as we’re sticking with him

Those who are Ole in are 100% convinced Leicester have a better team and wouldn't surprise me seeing someone trying to prove Sheffield have as well as I remember I saw someone arguing that Newcastle have better starting XI than us

 

[Litch]

I think the worst thing for Ole is fans have stopped believing in what he's saying. It's becoming clear that when he wasn't in the job permanently he was more fearless and now he's fearful of losing it. The very thing was his strength is now his weakness. He's now wooden (or should I say Woodward) and whilst the outside may look like Ole, the inside is corporate Glazer. We might has well get a manager that's this, then we all know where we stand, than one the pretends to be one of us......

 

[Bestietom]

I actually like Ole and hope he succeeds. But I have my doubts for obvious reasons. But until he's still in the job he has a chance to turn it around. I just feel he didn't make best use of the money he had to spend in the summer. Splashing £130m on a non attacking fullback and a CB was abit naive considering we had a dysfunctional midfield and attack. Then to see the likes of Smalling, Fellaini, Sanchez, Herrera etc leave without bringing in adequate replacements was a very risky move IMO.

But he was promised replacements for Herrera and Lukaku even after bringing in Maguire and AWB. Woodward held back the sale of Lukaku until late in the last day of transfer window, thus not giving the time to find a replacement. With the budget he was given, I thought he done well with the 3 signings he brought in.
YES, we should have got a striker and a midfielder, but that was down to Woodward, imo. He pulls the wool over our eyes every year.

 

[Kemizee]

Konate wouldn't have been cheap that's for sure, but he would've been a better longterm signing in comparison to Maguire IMO. And I believe he would've cost around the £50m to £60m mark. I think that fee would be reasonable for a 20 year old who is already considered amongst the best CBs in Germany and is brilliant at defending space behind him in a high-line due to his amazing pace and athleticism. He's also brilliant at defending deep due to his aerial game which is very impressive already at 20. He's the closest CB i've seen who could potentially reach Van Dijk levels.

Milenkovic was available for £45m according to Di Marzio but we opted against signing him, after enquiring about the player.

All of these mean nothing. The new mantra in town for us is 'Young, British and Hungry' As much as anyone denies this, it is what it is and it's absolute bonkers. That's why we will rather sign Madisson instead of Bruno Fernandes for instance.. That's why we will be chasing guys like Declan Rice and Sean Longstaff instead of their more competent foreign counterparts.

We are the only club in the world who runs on arrogant idealized visions and sentiments whereas football had long moved on from us. Good luck to us!

 

[Wilt]

Utd Ole supporters are not on their own. All the opposition fans I know think he’s doing a fantastic job... in fact they’d like him to be given the job for life

 

[AC1689]

12 points off top four.

This would be a sackable offence in itself at the end of the season.

But to already be 12 points off top four after 11 games, that really is beyond diabolical and deserving of immediate dismissal.

13 points from 11 games. Not good enough.

27% win rate in the league so far. Atrocious.

 

[Keefy18]

No, it is currently Poch career in Spurs and Saints in which he did well( i don't want to start another topic here and talk about it) against Ole's career in Cardiff which was epic disaster and Ole's current career in United which is minor disaster( so far).

I don't get you. You really don't see how shit manager Ole is? After one year in charge, we play defensive football and play on counter attacks. No pattern in general play at all. He had 6 free months to evaluate squad( which finished 2nd), he had that famous pre-season, he had his transfer window and what happened? We have 13 points from 11 games without playing big away game. 13 points from CL spot.

Such revisionist nonsense.

Why are folks ignoring that in our poorer games with Ole here its eerily similar to games going back 4 years to LVG? If that is the case, how on earth... how in the blue god damned hell is it something that can be singularly blamed on Ole?

It's deeply embedded within the club these issues that have cause a malaise in the post Fergie years. There are games here with Ole that remind me going back as far as Moyes even. It is not Ole setting us up this way tactically at all.

I must of imagined him ridding the club of a tonne of deadwood over the summer and buying 3 long term great signings? Isn't that him "evaluating" the squad?

Just because it isn't instantly brilliant and we aren't challenging immediately your go to is to demand call for yet ANOTHER managers head?

Nothing but utter clowns supposedly "supporting" our club these days where a single transfer window is enough to crucify a manager for.

 

[Paxi]

We're behind Marco Silva and Everton too, who Everton fans are running out of patience with at a rapid rate.

Yet here we are currently at 14th and there are people with straight faces, dead serious saying OGS needs another season to get it right.

It’s amazing really. And then they call us plastic fans who don’t really support the club. Ramshock comes to mind.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Such revisionist nonsense.

Why are folks ignoring that in our poorer games with Ole here its eerily similar to games going back 4 years to LVG? If that is the case, how on earth... how in the blue god damned hell is it something that can be singularly blamed on Ole?

It's deeply embedded within the club these issues that have cause a malaise in the post Fergie years. There are games here with Ole that remind me going back as far as Moyes even. It is not Ole setting us up this way tactically at all.

I must of imagined him ridding the club of a tonne of deadwood over the summer and buying 3 long term great signings? Isn't that him "evaluating" the squad?

Just because it isn't instantly brilliant and we aren't challenging immediately your go to is to demand call for yet ANOTHER managers head?

Nothing but utter clowns supposedly "supporting" our club these days where a single transfer window is enough to crucify a manager for.

Asking for better performances and top 4 is too much i believe. We should be satisfied with disjointed, clueless football and a mid bottom half table finish.

 

[lysglimt]

Those who are Ole in are 100% convinced Leicester have a better team and wouldn't surprise me seeing someone trying to prove Sheffield have as well as I remember I saw someone arguing that Newcastle have better starting XI than us

I wonder why most of your posts ridicule or laugh at everyone who doesn't think exactly like you do ?

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Those who are Ole in are 100% convinced Leicester have a better team and wouldn't surprise me seeing someone trying to prove Sheffield have as well as I remember I saw someone arguing that Newcastle have better starting XI than us

I saw someone saying that the Palace defeat wasn't a complete disaster!

 

[Keefy18]

Asking for better performances and top 4 is too much i believe. We should be satisfied with disjointed, clueless football and a mid bottom half table finish.

Repeating myself immediately.. read my comment.

Which is something we've seen for 6 years is it not?

Do you seriously think this is Ole specifically asking for this? How could it be if its something systemic within the club for 6 years?

How is Ole at fault for a decades worth of piss poor recruitment and club mismanagement?