He will never be good enough.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Or you could just simply remove the button that allows you too.
You think overseas fans fills the whole stadium? You're deluded.
Short term success us better than long term mess.
We sack jose when he stops being successful. 3 years this 3 years that. Ole would be a huge success if he can win what jose wins in 10 years.
If we lose to Brighton tomorrow, we’re guaranteed to be in 15th position by the end of the day.
If we draw, it’ll be 12th or 13th, depending on the Wolves v Villa result.
Win and it’s 7th, one point right behind hapless Arsenal, but still just 8 points above a relegation spot.
Let’s see what Ole and the boys can do after the modest, but stuttering improvement in recent form.
With currently only 6 points between 5th and 17th place, a good run could see us being on top of the other 13 rubbish teams, wedged between the break away top 4 and the bottom 3.
We are in 14th position, behind Bournemouth, Brighton, Burnley, Crystal Palace, Newcastle and Everton. How can anyone defend this?
People will mention that we have a game in hand, but we are not able to escape the mid-table teams because we are performing like one. We will be dragged back into even if we did win tomorrow.
This team is better than the position we are in. We have a better attack and defence than all of those sides. Our midfield is only on par with them when Pogba is out, but having two superior areas should be enough to get you above them.
Solskjaer is massively under performing. It is not the best side (in particular, the midfield is average), but it is better than what we have been showing under Solskjaer.
He really needs to go. I agree about giving a manager time, but you cannot just give a manager time for the sake of it; the manager needs to actually show something before he is given time. Solskjaer has not show anything.
People will mention that we have a game in hand, but we are not able to escape the mid-table teams because we are performing like one. We will be dragged back into even if we did win tomorrow.
This team is better than the position we are in. We have a better attack and defence than all of those sides. Our midfield is only on par with them when Pogba is out, but having two superior areas should be enough to get you above them.
Solskjaer is massively under performing. It is not the best side (in particular, the midfield is average), but it is better than what we have been showing under Solskjaer.
He really needs to go. I agree about giving a manager time, but you cannot just give a manager time for the sake of it; the manager needs to actually show something before he is given time. Solskjaer has not show anything.
True but whichever way you look at it for United to be 13 points behind Leicester at any stage of a season is an utter shambles. This United squad while not being good enough to win a title should be good enough to compete with little Leicester. That is all down to management and coaches. Any other big club would have sacked them 2 months ago.
Does ole ever gives instructions from the pitch?
It's kind of fun to see it changing though isn't it.
Why? That long term shit is presented by Ed as excuse for bad results and not investing in squad much last 2 years.
Juve? Barca? Bayern? Real? Hell even United under Fergie. When they sacrificed few seasons for "long term success"?
Giant clubs must stay at top all the time and squad rebuilding is done gradually.
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So, now Klopp inherited a better squad than Ole? 
And magically conjuring a narrative where Pool fans wanted him gone at end of his first season where he finished 8th despite reaching two finals?
Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
And magically conjuring a narrative where Pool fans wanted him gone at end of his first season where he finished 8th despite reaching two finals? Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
So, now Klopp inherited a better squad than Ole?
Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
And we used to laugh at rawk
Easy when you are at the top to gradually rebuild. when SAF first arrived we were not at the top and needed rebuild like now and it took SAF a few seasons to do it. So unfortunately for you your argument doesnt really wash
Hey don't you know we are building for the future. You have to take the pain now cos in 10 years time we'll be top and we'll all be laughing at this saying how wrong we were not to back this long term and we're investing in the youth shit.So, now Klopp inherited a better squad than Ole?
Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
Want to hear another stat? This season we won or draw against the "top six" and we were 5 min to end pools unbeatable run (still ended their winning run).
That speaks of tactical understanding. We give him some credit for this?
Nope it means that we are like a mid table side that raises their game against the top teams but sinks back to mediocrity against the likes of West Ham, Newcastle, Southampton & Crystal Palace
We'll win tommorow with the "usual" penalty and then lose to Sheffield because that's what a midtable team does, winning some home and losing away. Just look at Bournemouth. It's so obvious and it's becoming ridiculous that we've already accepted it before even happening. But he just needs time like Fergie in '89...
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Yes sack him immediately.
So, now Klopp inherited a better squad than Ole?
Some of the shite you guys put up with here, it's remarkable. Ole in crowd have nothing but excuses and whataboutery. It's better to read them for amusement rather than engage in any kind of sensible discussion (because there ain't going to be any!)
For the Ole in crowd any team that is, was or has been doing better than us is just because they have/had better squad. Any manager who succeeded with another club is because they had better players than us when they were hired. Klopp, Rodgers, everyone.
It's like we have the best manager in the world currently so him struggling is an indication the squad is the only problem while other managers had it easy with their great teams.
It is all whataboutery and no real facts or reason to back their arguments. Now they are equaling Ole to a pre Manchester United Ferguson. A pre United Fergie has already broken the Glasgow monopoly and had an unfancied Aberdeen side wining everything including the European Cup Winners Cup beating Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to win it.
Honestly it is an insult to Fergie to even name Ole in the same breadth as a manager.
Honestly it is an insult to Fergie to even name Ole in the same breadth as a manager.
The biggest problem a lot of people have with Ole been sacked is that the guy who will be doing it should have been sacked seasons ago himself, it's just perverse, and it needs shouting from the rooftops until it changes.
Who would you bring in on Monday morning?
Breadth? whataboutery?
I don’t think anyone is saying Ole is SAF. It is you saying that people are saying that because you don’t agree but can’t articulate it.
People are saying that the situation with the squad is similar to when SAF took over in that it is in need of a total overhaul. In fact the whole scenario post Fergie reminds men of post busby.
Exactly.
No it's not, and even if it needs overhaul, Ole hasn't shown any signs to be suitable manager for that job. After a summer spending, our squad looks far weaker than what he actually inherited. That tells anyone far more than enough about his claimed "rebuilding" abilities.
Giggsy is almost guaranteed to take it on a part-time basis should the option become available to him.
Paul Ince will flip a lid upon learning this information.
47% of you want to keep him. We're 14th ffs!
Gluttons for punishment aren't ya!
Gluttons for punishment aren't ya!
I was so happy when Ole came into the role at the start. I backed him totally until a few weeks ago, when I realised that I haven't had real fun watching United in years.
Today I watched the Arsenal v Leciester game and a few others... the difference to our football is really quite scary. Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole - I've not seen any of them play anything like expansive, quick or modern football. I had the sad horrible realisation that we'd be in a much much better place with Brendan Rogers as manager.
I am now 100% in the Ole out camp. I don't see any improvement or pattern of play emerging. Things can only get worse until we get in a modern, proven coach (Allegri anyone?).
Today I watched the Arsenal v Leciester game and a few others... the difference to our football is really quite scary. Moyes, LVG, Mourinho and now Ole - I've not seen any of them play anything like expansive, quick or modern football. I had the sad horrible realisation that we'd be in a much much better place with Brendan Rogers as manager.
I am now 100% in the Ole out camp. I don't see any improvement or pattern of play emerging. Things can only get worse until we get in a modern, proven coach (Allegri anyone?).
47% of you want to keep him. We're 14th ffs!
Gluttons for punishment aren't ya!
We could be seventh if we win tomorrow, just a point behind 5th.
Perspective?
When we were demanding Jose get sacked last October we were 6th, why does Ole get thicker ice? We're 14th in November mate. If we had a decent manager we'd be 3rd right now. Ole is out of his depth & anyone who denies that is deluded.
Because it is Ole. I just can't understand that people can't separate Man Utd manager from ex player.
When we beat Brighton ( and we will because this team is just to good for Brighton even with this "manager" on the bench), this place will explode.
And btw, we will be 10 points from 4th spot. 10!! And it is ok for some, i guess.
Saying a point off 5th is a lovely sound bite considering the season so far but even then, it’ll be 10 points off fourth
Fergie winning the Cup Winners' Cup is impressive, to be sure, but that was a different time to now. You had smaller teams punching more above their weight than what you tend to have now. Let's take a look at some of the illustrious sides who won it:
Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.
What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.
Aberdeen in 83, cool.
Before Fergie we had Dinamo Tblisi in 81.
Mechelen in 88. Anybody even know what country they're from? (It's Belgium)
in 93, Royal Antwerp.
What I'm trying to get at is that Fergie didn't exactly pull a Greece 04 with his Aberdeen side. Not trying to take anything away, but people in here using it to illustrate how miraculous Fergie was need a bit of context. This ain't the 80s and 90s, shit's changed, and it's harder to win silverware with a smaller team these days. Ole punched well above his team's weight with Molde in the Europa League, and deserves more credit than the people here insisting that he's worse than a nothing manager.
Yes, but on 3rd and 4th position are clubs who spent far more than us and their managers are on the bench longer than Ole. Oh, wait....Saying a point off 5th is a lovely sound bite considering the season so far but even then, it’ll be 10 points off fourth
That's a wildly baseless assumption, mate.
I agree Ole isn't the right man to lead the club forward, but I would be reluctant to pull the trigger on him just yet because I have no confidence in the man afforded the responsibility to do the sacking and then choose a suitable replacement.
Four managers sacked, £800 million spent and wasted on transfers and multiple finishes outside the top four. All of this occurred under Ed Woodward, CEO.
If Ole goes, Woodward goes with him.
That's not true - at least it isn't for me anyway. I just happen to like Ole's plan for the future of the club, that he is seemingly unable to put that plan into action himself is the only concern.
Even if Ole does get sacked, I hope the club sticks to last summers transfer strategy of buying young, hungry PL proven players.
Just a slight concern, nothing to worry about. Half of RedCafe would have signed same players so I assume we all qualify for the job.
Saying a point off 5th is a lovely sound bite considering the season so far but even then, it’ll be 10 points off fourth
I know, man. Just trying to be positive.
All it takes is a good run of results and we're right back in the mix. The teams above us aren't a great deal better if we're being honest.
You want Poch in who is 11 points off 4th, with what pretty much everyone would agree is a better squad and years of getting them to play exactly how he wants.
Ole has done more with Molde than most if not all of the haters on here. If all of you are so great and right how come you are not a professional football manager?
Wow a new excuse on the run! Every day I read a new thing. Time to close this forum then. BTW was that your opinion on people here being camped in LVG out and Mourinho out threads, who are, guess what, more qualified managers than our current one?
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