Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild

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VP89 said:
Poch is an odd example. He's brought Spurs great success. Success for a club like Spurs wouldn't solely be recorded by silverware. He made them a consistent Champions League side, brought them to major finals and created a philosophy and structure can be maintained for the next manager. That's very successful.

Mourinho won a couple cups with us in 3 years, but failed to do what Poch has achieved.
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It's not an odd example, Poch would not have got the support he got at Spurs here - our fans have proven that with the last 4 managers

As for the Mourinho line, of course he didn't achieve in 2.5 years what Poch has done in 5 because well it's obvious
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
People are not being able to seperate Ole the player from Ole the manager.
If that was Moyes the poll would’ve looked very different, we’re frighteningly poor.
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Not sure everyone wants to move onto manager number 5 in 6 years, that is as embarrassing as our league position.
 
I don't think it's the attacking football that's what is required. It's the points that we need. Now we are playing very poorly and losing. If we don't play good football and still keep winning then most would accept right now. But we are playing terrible football and then losing points too.
 
He is definitely not the messiah. I am more concerned about who we intend to replace him with. Personally I'd allow him stay till end of the season then act.

I also think that the poll doesn't do justice to the issue sufficiently. I was expecting to see options like; sack him now, sack him in december, sack him end of season, allow him run his contract, keep him as the longterm option, etc.
 
We all have a lack of information.

All we see is matches. Sunday - wednesday. That's it.

We don't have training insight, we don't have work ethics, we don't know meal plans, or man managment he does, we don't know shit in short.

Someone should assess him. But is has to be assessed on more points then just results.

We as fans only see end results. Truth be told, the end results aren't all that good for now, we're not playing better, we can't see any improvements,
we can't see any specific coaching or tactics, so yeah, we as fans can assess that it's not that good.

But he has to be given time. How long of a time? Well, feck, that unfortunately depends on the end results. We need to start winning games. End of.

I voted for sack, purely because i think he's way over his head. I don't think he has it in him. He doesn't have the hunger. He made it as a player, he knows success, therefore he doesn't yearn for it anymore.

We need someone who is hungry for success, who want's it, needs it!

We need a Mourinho. But not the one we got, we got the Mourinho who made it, we need to get the one from Porto, the young, eager one, yearning for acknowledgement.
 
Andy Parker said:
I will never understand the impatience and instant success culture of the modern fan. Ole is one of us and we should give him at least two years and back him fully in several transfer windows. The managerial merry-go-round needs to stop. We need to be patient and give him time. The only way we will get success in the future is if we are patient and allow a manager to build on his vision with backing in transfers in and out.
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You make sense and I sorta agree with you but this would have been more tenable if you could AT LEAST SEE SIGNS of him utilising to the best capacity the players he has, making them punch above their weight and all that...
But here we are having subpar performances against the likes of Astana, Rochdale, Palace, West Ham etc..

If Ole needs mega investments to beat those kinda teams, then what makes him a special manager? Anyone could do that, the likes of Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes so why don't we get anyone else in? And does patience and time suddenly make one become tactically competent considering he does not have a good reputation with his time at Cardiff. So much questions hanging on Ole's neck
 
I voted keep.

It’s on the basis that there’s no plan if we sack. Basically Brexit.

If we had a plan of replacing with Pochettino, and a DoF too then I’d reconsider my vote. Or even VDS and the Ajax manager.
 
With the only manager with any credibility being Allegri, possibly Blanc at a stretch Spalletti or sheer fantasy Wenger. Which of those 4 would be your choice?
 
As a Liverpool fan, being brutally honest, I was delighted when you gave Ole the job permanently. Despite the good run, you went on when he joined, I always felt he'd do well enough to stay in the job and keep you competing in and around the top 4, but would be unlikely to challenge progressive managers like Klopp and Guardiola. Keep him I say.
 
If he is sacked then surely woodward also needs to go?
 
Andy_Cole said:
I voted keep.

It’s on the basis that there’s no plan if we sack. Basically Brexit.

If we had a plan of replacing with Pochettino, and a DoF too then I’d reconsider my vote. Or even VDS and the Ajax manager.
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I doubt any of those 2 options would be viable 7 games into a season.
 
Brendan would have been a great appointment for us. Too many wrote him off because of 'the slip' season, ignoring that he got that team challenging for the title. His teams all play good football though.
 
MUFC OK said:
Brendan would have been a great appointment for us. Too many wrote him off because of 'the slip' season, ignoring that he got that team challenging for the title. His teams all play good football though.
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Clueless on the transfer market though. Is there a way we can fuse these two guys and make a Olebranda?
 
charlenefan said:
It's not an odd example, Poch would not have got the support he got at Spurs here - our fans have proven that with the last 4 managers

As for the Mourinho line, of course he didn't achieve in 2.5 years what Poch has done in 5 because well it's obvious
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He would, because he'd have brought us into top 4 and stayed there or there abouts, whilst improving our league results.
14/15 - 64 points

15/16 - 70 pts (got top 4 from here on)

16/17 - 86 points (I think this was a massive achievement!)

17/18 - 77 points (3rd place behind 2 phenomenal sides spending 100s of millions more)

18/19 - 71 points + Champions League final

Top 4 would be minimum for Ed Woodward given his champions league revenue is intact. He'd be fine from a board perspective.

For the fans they'd want to see reasonable progress in line with money spent. If Poch came here with the same net spend wed be happy with what he's done given the resources at hand. The idea that he wouldn't be given time based on the performance implemented and results progression is a bit silly. Of course he'd have the time at United if we saw a similar trajectory.
 
Sir Scott McToMinay said:
People are not being able to seperate Ole the player from Ole the manager.
If that was Moyes the poll would’ve looked very different, we’re frighteningly poor.
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Moyes' Utd team wasnt anywhere near in the state this one is. nowhere close.

I think alot of people who want to sack Ole and bring in someone 'tactically better' forget our last 2 managers were two of the most experienced & known for being tactically 'brilliant'.. and they both made a balls of it. And they both had much better teams at their disposal.

Ole shouldnt 100% get away with it, but our problems go alot deeper than Ole. Hes literally working with scraps
 
You can't sack the players who are the ones to blame.
 
DickDastardly said:
We all have a lack of information.

All we see is matches. Sunday - wednesday. That's it.

We don't have training insight, we don't have work ethics, we don't know meal plans, or man managment he does, we don't know shit in short.

Someone should assess him. But is has to be assessed on more points then just results.

We as fans only see end results. Truth be told, the end results aren't all that good for now, we're not playing better, we can't see any improvements,
we can't see any specific coaching or tactics, so yeah, we as fans can assess that it's not that good.

But he has to be given time. How long of a time? Well, feck, that unfortunately depends on the end results. We need to start winning games. End of.

I voted for sack, purely because i think he's way over his head. I don't think he has it in him. He doesn't have the hunger. He made it as a player, he knows success, therefore he doesn't yearn for it anymore.

We need someone who is hungry for success, who want's it, needs it!

We need a Mourinho. But not the one we got, we got the Mourinho who made it, we need to get the one from Porto, the young, eager one, yearning for acknowledgement.
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funnily enough the next manager can play the seige mentality card becuase we will have fallen beyond recognition by the time that appointment is made. I just want us to appoint a studious freak of a manager who actually analyses the game in ways us fans could not comprehend. I think theres not much more to ole that he says in interviews.
 
Well, I’d be lying if I said I was confident Ole is the man to restore us to being a genuine top team (which has to be the end game for anyone in that job).

I’d also be lying if I said that I don’t have an unpleasant, sinking feeling of deja vu - that is, a feeling of watching the same bloody car crash unfolding, as it has been ever since SAF retired, in a slightly different form.

Some random thoughts:

* Ole could be out of his depth, certainly - and he could be fatally overestimating the potential of certain players: this is a worry for me. If he’s banking on players like Rashford and Martial to be regulars (important, crucial even, parts) in a title challenging first XI - well, then he’s not scared to gamble a fair bit, I’d say. And that’s without even mentioning the likes of Pereira and - dare I say it - Lingard. We have a significant number of young and youngish players who need to take several steps more before they’re even close to matching the quality on display elsewhere.

* Sack him now and replace him with who? None of the (realistic, more or less) alternatives people have suggested seem worth the bother to me.

* He’s bought well. If the next batch of signings follow the same pattern, we’ll keep strengthening both the squad and the starting XI. That’s something. How many transfers under previous Woodward era managers have actually looked very decent, consistently, for any number of games?

* Not bringing in “replacements” for players who were - on the whole - extremely underwhelming? Not bothered at all IF the manager and Woodward are on the same page with regard to a - major - rebuild. I’d rather take a series of hits this season (bumps in the road) than spend good money on short term solutions: yes, ideally, we should have brought in an experienced striker of the sort that pretty much guarantees X goals per game - and a central midfielder of some description. I have no doubt Ole would have wanted this too. But what it comes down to is expectations: not the expectations of our partly idiotic fan base, but those of Ole’s employers: if Ed’s old “4th or bust” principle applies, then Ole’s in deep shit - and all sorts of questions can be asked (of the manager and his employers alike). If, however, Ole and Woodward are on the same page - and prepared to sacrifice short term results - then we’re looking at something quite different. Not to the liking of the “no lowering of standards!” brigade, but who cares about them: do they think Ole, of all people, doesn’t realize what it takes, ultimately, for him to go down in history as a proper United manager?

* Lastly, we have a large number of obnoxious, moany and disrespectful cnuts in our fan base - and here on the Caf - who actually seem to think that their incessant whining is testament to how much they “care” about United. They aren’t above calling a United legend (and a thoroughly likeable and decent person) nasty names - whilst taking every opportunity to attack and ridicule not “top reds” (we have those too, make no mistake) but what I’d label normal fans, i.e. people who try to get behind Ole and display a bit of positivity.
 
VP89 said:
He would, because he'd have brought us into top 4 and stayed there or there abouts, whilst improving our league results.
14/15 - 64 points

15/16 - 70 pts (got top 4 from here on)

16/17 - 86 points (I think this was a massive achievement!)

17/18 - 77 points (3rd place behind 2 phenomenal sides spending 100s of millions more)

18/19 - 71 points + Champions League final

Top 4 would be minimum for Ed Woodward given his champions league revenue is intact. He'd be fine from a board perspective.

For the fans they'd want to see reasonable progress in line with money spent. If Poch came here with the same net spend wed be happy with what he's done given the resources at hand. The idea that he wouldn't be given time based on the performance implemented and results progression is a bit silly. Of course he'd have the time at United if we saw a similar trajectory.
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Mourinho got us 2nd place and 80+ points and that same summer loads wanted him sacked. Our fans have no patience, they think they do but they dont.
 
The worst thing about the whole situation is that he should’ve never been here post last season, he was supposed to be an interim and that flukey post Jose run gave the man who was sacked from Cardiff in the championship a 3 year contract.
Just another sentimental - fairytale unthoughtful decision just like the Moyes appointment.
 
I'd at least give him the whole season. that means 3 windows and if he is vastly underperforming, i.e. below 12th then he wouldn't have earned further stay.
 
charlenefan said:
Mourinho got us 2nd place and 80+ points and that same summer loads wanted him sacked. Our fans have no patience, they think they do but they dont.
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There was only a majority wanting his sacking from the preseason of the following season onwards. Our mood was actually no way near as toxic at seasons end.

It was when he was openly criticising the training of pre season facilities, the scheduling, the lack of transfers and then the players themselves when the season kicked off and we started playing.. . that was when it got sour.
 
Seems a bit mental to sack him now no? His 3 signings have all been positive, he’s cleared out some of the shite from our squad, got rid of those who don’t want to be here and is now at square 1 of rebuilding a team, how does removing him from his position help anything?

Also I agree 100% that he isn’t the best “coach” in the world - but has he not already proven with Maguire, AWB and James that he has started successfully building a new culture and ethos for the team?
 
Honestly, I don't see that getting rid of Ole solves much. There are no managers floating around that would be guaranteed to improve things instantly, particularly given the painful lack of quality in the squad.
 
charlenefan said:
You realise such an appointment would only lead to said manager being sacked 12 months later themselves yeah?
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Not a chance Allardyce lasts 12 months at United, do you know the "park the bus" phrase comes from Jose saying that about Big Sam, When West Ham came to the bridge in 2014/15 and got a 0-0.
 
He has become a victim of his early success

In all honestly a DOF role at the club would suit him much better
 
Having "backed" him (cough) in the summer, there's no way in hell there can be any idea of sacking him now.

I dare say that if we continue as we're going though, there will be feverish talks behind the scenes and constant calls to Poch's agent.

If Poch is interested, plus whatever desperation signing we make in Jan amazingly doesn't turn everything around, and we're not even top 6 by March, THEN you could see the axe falling.
 
So finally we can say with proof that Caf is 60% positive and the people too afraid to get out of " Is United forum safe to go into" thread can come out now.
 
It's not the manager. Sure his timing of subs and a few other little things you could argue he's shit at but it's the board that are the problem. Bring any manager in world football in and not back him in the summer while renewing dogshit players and we'd see the same results. Until the board changes nothing will change on the pitch.
 
DickDastardly said:
We all have a lack of information.

All we see is matches. Sunday - wednesday. That's it.

We don't have training insight, we don't have work ethics, we don't know meal plans, or man managment he does, we don't know shit in short.

Someone should assess him. But is has to be assessed on more points then just results.

We as fans only see end results. Truth be told, the end results aren't all that good for now, we're not playing better, we can't see any improvements,
we can't see any specific coaching or tactics, so yeah, we as fans can assess that it's not that good.

But he has to be given time. How long of a time? Well, feck, that unfortunately depends on the end results. We need to start winning games. End of.

I voted for sack, purely because i think he's way over his head. I don't think he has it in him. He doesn't have the hunger. He made it as a player, he knows success, therefore he doesn't yearn for it anymore.

We need someone who is hungry for success, who want's it, needs it!

We need a Mourinho. But not the one we got, we got the Mourinho who made it, we need to get the one from Porto, the young, eager one, yearning for acknowledgement.
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This is a good post. A post that actually acknowledges that fans have a very limited amount of information, as opposed to most fans who post as if they are experts.

And this despite the fact I disagree with the parts of the post I haven't bolded.
 
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