Just vote "Sack Ole" when we lose, and "Keep Ole" after a win. That way, you also keep yourself occupied between the matches.
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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If we can match Liverpool over christmas or at least get 6 points even if they get more.
A win over them would then be massive and put us up fighting for the title for real.
Love ironical people
Sacking him off now does not make anymore sense. Come May we should have a clear idea, we are doing great results wise in the epl but got crashed out in the Cl. Apart from these past 2 performances, which we played well, the other were lucky wins so even though we won 6 and drew 1 its not all roses. Next May we should have a clear idea of were we are at. Imo, if we are still a top 4 battling team then no progress was made and he should go, if we finish 3rd comfortably this time then he should be give his last year, I think this is a fair on how to judge him after 2.5 years at the helm.
I have thought he would not be good enough for us. Now we have been playing well since the CL exit but he needs to win games he is expected to win. Leicester is going to be extremely important. We need to get a point at least at Liverpool. We need consistency and even if we had lost today it was a very good game and nothing much he could have done about it.
Let's hope he gets it right on Saturday too.
Let's hope he gets it right on Saturday too.
It’s called bad karmaKindly keep your vote as is. I knew the problem wasn’t Ole!
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Would it be an idea to reset the poll some day soon, if mainly to add other options?
There used to be 3 options to this current poll, the last was "sack at the end of the season" which was removed towards the end of last season since it wasn't as relevant then.
I understand that some people are more cautious to the wording of the current options. Either sack immediately or keep "forever" as we wait for an everlasting rebuild to finish. ("What are we missing, neverending story")
As pointed out below, many are unwilling to pick an option that seems to be backing him fully.
I would suggest something along the lines of:
1. Sack and replace immediately
2. Give him the rest of the season and then evaluate
3. I back him to lead us for 2-3 seasons more with support in the market. (Then evaluate if we haven't won a big trophy or at least lost out in the final round of the season)
For reference, I am currently in camp 3, but I also know that if we crash and burn for many games in a row and/or Ole starts trashtalking in the media, then an evaluation needs to come as soon as possible after that.
Would it be an idea to reset the poll some day soon, if mainly to add other options?
There used to be 3 options to this current poll, the last was "sack at the end of the season" which was removed towards the end of last season since it wasn't as relevant then.
I understand that some people are more cautious to the wording of the current options. Either sack immediately or keep "forever" as we wait for an everlasting rebuild to finish. ("What are we missing, neverending story")
As pointed out below, many are unwilling to pick an option that seems to be backing him fully.
I would suggest something along the lines of:
1. Sack and replace immediately
2. Give him the rest of the season and then evaluate
3. I back him to lead us for 2-3 seasons more with support in the market. (Then evaluate if we haven't won a big trophy or at least lost out in the final round of the season)
For reference, I am currently in camp 3, but I also know that if we crash and burn for many games in a row and/or Ole starts trashtalking in the media, then an evaluation needs to come as soon as possible after that.
I dont think today changed much. He's done a great job with the squad and we know we can put in a performance to rival anybody, but it's the consistency that's the problem. After that 25 minute blitz there was still too much evidence of poor coaching, one twos to nobody, players second guessing passes etc.
I still dont think hes the manager for us but I'm content whenever he leaves the squad will be in a better position than when he started.
I still dont think hes the manager for us but I'm content whenever he leaves the squad will be in a better position than when he started.
Must be getting harder and harder for the Ole Outers.
I like that some of you are changing your minds. Little bit shame you couldn’t see progress before. Even last year.
I like that you understand now what process is and that it takes time and patience. Remember that when we lose or draw. Because we will. Road to glory isn’t straight. There is lot of bumps and turns. But we are on the way getting there.
I like that you understand now what process is and that it takes time and patience. Remember that when we lose or draw. Because we will. Road to glory isn’t straight. There is lot of bumps and turns. But we are on the way getting there.
Ancelotti is a brilliant manager - Everton misplaced passes all afternoon, does that make his coaching-staff poor ?
We've been pretty good lately.
Every time I'm out, Ole pulls me back in.
I just hope we continue this.
People think us who aren't convinced by Ole want him to fail. I want him to succeed so badly. I'm tired of the false dawns.
Every time I'm out, Ole pulls me back in.
I just hope we continue this.
People think us who aren't convinced by Ole want him to fail. I want him to succeed so badly. I'm tired of the false dawns.
I think this is harsh, and to be honest, it is this type of post that stops more people getting on board.
It really has been an up and down period. So many highs and so many crushing lows. There is still evidence of poor coaching in the team, even tonight. There was progress and then there were massive steps back. It hasn’t just been bumps in the road and people who have been sure since the start, need to recognize that.
Where he has won me over has been his squad building. The amount of talent on the bench has been fantastic. Even his most maligned signing has played the most minutes in all of Europe! He has a fantastic personality too and is so easy to like. I have said that since the start.
Ole gets paid a lot of money in a high pressure job. It is up to him to convince in his role and for me, he is slowly doing that. Is it perfect? It’s not, there are still clear issues, but I love the squad he has built and the credit for that alone has made me want to give him more time.
I am curious to see if he can grow as a manager. I am delighted that he is looking stronger and the team is looking better.
Criticism and debate is normal in sport, and so are reactions. The vast majority have continued to support United and be delighted with good results regardless of any concern they had for the manager.
I always wanted to be proven wrong and am delighted he is doing just that. But there is no “pity” about not seeing it before through the fog. Comments like that just make people dig their heels in.
If we lose on Boxing Day they will be back to calling for him to get the sack.
It's going to be a very long season on here.
Boxing Day? It’ll start again tomorrow
Yeeesss. I can’t understand who is better fitted for us right now. Kloop and Pep are perhaps better managers in general, but I’m not sure they are better for us than Ole. Forget Nagelsmann and all the other unproven managers, included Poch.
Let’s stand together and enjoy the ride. Forget former discussions and doubt. Let’s be a big happy family. Unity makes us stronger
I wish it's that simple.
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Managers does have potential too, and we're giving this platform for Ole.
I'm glad we're giving him this massive opportunity. He will be a good manager in the future.
How can anyone not want it too work out ? Its just a perfect scenario a legend getting the club back to the top
While there will be no outers here(rightfully so) I can agree that at a few times I felt the job is too big for him and his management success and degree hasn’t been the best before here. right now(bar the CL) there is nothing to complain about he is doing what is expected. The one thing I do like about him is he has made so many mistakes his here(wrong tactics,lineups,late subs) but seems to be able to change to fix his flaws.
While there will be no outers here(rightfully so) I can agree that at a few times I felt the job is too big for him and his management success and degree hasn’t been the best before here. right now(bar the CL) there is nothing to complain about he is doing what is expected. The one thing I do like about him is he has made so many mistakes his here(wrong tactics,lineups,late subs) but seems to be able to change to fix his flaws.
In less than 6 months Liverpool will match our number of league titles. All 2 of their Premier Leagues were won when we were under Solskjaer. They have twice our Champions League titles one of them was won when we were under Solskjaer.
Solskjaer inherited a team that finished 6 points above them and last season finishing 33 points behind them was declared as a definitive progress.
Trophies have been replaced by 10 good results. Nobody sees we are under one of the longest period of trophy draught in our history.
We are told to forget our standards. Rewrite new ones where Ole looks successful. Or believe in random samples, meaningless tables running across meaningless windows of time period to see United top the table under Ole. This is "progress". This is the "rebuild". This is all we should expect.
Otherwise we aren't real fans.
How can anyone not want it too work out ? Its just a perfect scenario a legend getting the club back to the top
While there will be no outers here(rightfully so) I can agree that at a few times I felt the job is too big for him and his management success and degree hasn’t been the best before here. right now(bar the CL) there is nothing to complain about he is doing what is expected. The one thing I do like about him is he has made so many mistakes his here(wrong tactics,lineups,late subs) but seems to be able to change to fix his flaws.
All managers outers are there because they want the best for the club. Otherwise they are fans of the Manager and not the club. This happen with players too.
We have seen with mostly with Jose and Ole. For sure there were lots of new fans here joining when Ole became the manager.
I remember the posts about how Ole Outers were asking to reset the vote as a lot of the people who voted might no longer be active.
Have the poll today, and I'm quite certain apart from the 25% odd who are agenda-posters, everyone else would be Ole-In
Have the poll today, and I'm quite certain apart from the 25% odd who are agenda-posters, everyone else would be Ole-In
He's doing a fantastic job. Really fantastic. He's breaking all time club records for away wins, has shown the team can beat even the best teams at home.
He's built an excellent team without buying it from scratch.
He is certainly learning on the job but that's a positive not a negative. How many managers will take over the United job and not have a lot to learn? Pochettino, Nagelsman, Rose, Hassenhuttl or whoever else has been touted have never managed a club anywhere near the size of United and it's far from certain that any of them can handle it.
Mourinho and LVG couldn't handle the job and neither learned a thing during their time at the club. After 2 promising seasons Jose completely lost his mind and lost the plot. LVG was an utter disaster, his recruitment was atrocious and he set the club back years. Moyes, was just crap. All 3 feel completely wronged and that ego and lack of self awareness is precisely why they never learned how to handle a club like United.
Yet, this no name inexperienced ex-Molde manager who relegated Cardiff is putting all 3 of them to shame.
In 2 years' time, maybe Ole's time will be up and he'll have failed to take the final step. But for now, the club is making significant progress under him and it's absolutely brilliant.
He's built an excellent team without buying it from scratch.
He is certainly learning on the job but that's a positive not a negative. How many managers will take over the United job and not have a lot to learn? Pochettino, Nagelsman, Rose, Hassenhuttl or whoever else has been touted have never managed a club anywhere near the size of United and it's far from certain that any of them can handle it.
Mourinho and LVG couldn't handle the job and neither learned a thing during their time at the club. After 2 promising seasons Jose completely lost his mind and lost the plot. LVG was an utter disaster, his recruitment was atrocious and he set the club back years. Moyes, was just crap. All 3 feel completely wronged and that ego and lack of self awareness is precisely why they never learned how to handle a club like United.
Yet, this no name inexperienced ex-Molde manager who relegated Cardiff is putting all 3 of them to shame.
In 2 years' time, maybe Ole's time will be up and he'll have failed to take the final step. But for now, the club is making significant progress under him and it's absolutely brilliant.
Managers outers need to be reasonable. Why would you want the manager who makes good progress out? Not reasonable at all.
You could almost make a meme/parody of this thread with a comparison of the poll results when we win vs when we loose.
They can never see the good progress. That's the problem.
The biggest problem for me is how they can't even see how Ole turned this squad into a youthful side in just 2 years.
Love this. Exactly what I'm feeling now.
League winners are usually the teams with the highest bottom level, not the highest peak level.
We still have some ways to go as we still are capable of producing the odd stinker. That being said, we have a fairly young team. Once they mature a bit more, get more time to gel and add a couple more key signings and i think we are going to be a pretty strong outfit
Swap deal with PSG, Pogba for Marquinhos and then throw whatever money it takes to get Grealish from AV. There is a league winning team
Nah - we need a better central defender
I would also change the title of the post. Currently it implies Ole is under pressure to be sacked and it's more to gauge fans opinion then anything. I can't see any scenario where he is sacked any time soon, unless our form nosedives into 10 games without a win or something.
In time maybe, but i think Lindelof has really stepped it up lately. Been solid in defense and played some lovely long passes from the back which gives us a lot more tactical versatility against high pressing sides
If McTomminay keeps playing like he did vs Leeds, then we obviously dont need to upgrade him, but i'd like to see him play close to that level a couple of times more before i pop the champagne. Grealish i am confident would massively improve us with his ball retention ability
good post.
all three managers post Fergie were dinosaurs and past their best ( Moyes’ best was average, the others had had great careers, but no new ideas) . Like the point about OGS growing as a manager and into the job.
for Me,it’s all about progress, and it’s been significant in the past two years. Whether he can take us back to the top? Dont know.
we will have to wait, and he’s earned the opportunity to try.
There's so much wrong with this.
Last time I checked Liverpool had only one PL title and this isn't United's longest trophy drought. It's not even close.
I can see where he's coming from.
Some people are a bit OTT in arguing how well Ole has done. Finding meaningless stats to suit their agenda.
I personally think Ole is a roller-coaster, up & down. When you think we're making progress results /performances go down, when he looks about to derail, he pulls a rabbit out of a hat & we go through a purple patch & we're progressing again. That's where we are right now. If he keeps the consistency up (obviously their will be the odd blip) from now until the end of the season, I would then say he's made genuine progress..
He's certainly earned the right to have the time to succeed or fail this season & we can assess at the end of it whether he's been good enough.
Personally scraping 4th is not good enough. We need to be at least comfortable top 4.
I completely agree.
One of the strengths of Fergie's tenure and the reason why he was one of the greatest managers in the history of the game was because he "learned on the job".
Developing and continuing to improve is a massive positive not a sign of incompetence.
Agree, it's fantastic breaking those many positive records. We also break many negative records mind...
Sorry? "without buying it from scratch"? Are you really really sure?
Best 11 - Bruno, Maguire, AWB
Regulars - VDB, Cavani, Telles
To be fair, he used a lot of leftovers from the past 4 managers plus new youths.. just like the past managers using many inherited players..
What is he learning?
While he's on this job.. the decisions makings, rotations and all the football, are all comparably the same with the start of last season. The only differences here is the players he chose are making it better.. to be harsh, better players are covering many of the weaknesses. Examples:- Instead of persisting with Lingard, he's now over relying on Bruno, thank god. Cavani replaces Ighalo's role, and he's still over relying on Rashford... still make late subs and sometimes early. Still laissez-faire way of playing the football, with our defense as it is inconsistent. Let's not pretend to forget how good our defense last season in the first half then gets worse later on. It's up and down. I could go more like how we attack, build-up and play from the back are still the same... no signs of learning so I'm curious in what sense is he learning from your understanding.
Man, those over praising messiah Ole by belittling the other managers are amazing.
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Mourinho and LVG couldn't handle the job and neither learned a thing during their time at the club. After 2 promising seasons Jose completely lost his mind and lost the plot. LVG was an utter disaster, his recruitment was atrocious and he set the club back years. Moyes, was just crap. All 3 feel completely wronged and that ego and lack of self awareness is precisely why they never learned how to handle a club like United.
Yet, this no name inexperienced ex-Molde manager who relegated Cardiff is putting all 3 of them to shame.
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Yeah agree - Moyes just didn’t have a clue how to cope with the pressure of the United job and it got to him very quickly.
The difference between Ole and Jose/LvG has been patience imo. Ole knew the club needed a proper rebuild rather than quick fixes and set about doing the job as if he would be here for a long time.
Jose and LvG started with the right intentions but then seemed to try to rush, bringing in hordes of signings who just weren’t really awful but just weren’t quite right either.
Mourinho and LVG couldn't handle the job and neither learned a thing during their time at the club. After 2 promising seasons Jose completely lost his mind and lost the plot. LVG was an utter disaster, his recruitment was atrocious and he set the club back years. Moyes, was just crap. All 3 feel completely wronged and that ego and lack of self awareness is precisely why they never learned how to handle a club like United.
Yet, this no name inexperienced ex-Molde manager who relegated Cardiff is putting all 3 of them to shame.
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Yeah agree - Moyes just didn’t have a clue how to cope with the pressure of the United job and it got to him very quickly.
The difference between Ole and Jose/LvG has been patience imo. Ole knew the club needed a proper rebuild rather than quick fixes and set about doing the job as if he would be here for a long time.
Jose and LvG started with the right intentions but then seemed to try to rush, bringing in hordes of signings who just weren’t really awful but just weren’t quite right either.
They're entitled to their opinions but outright lies should be challenged and I certainly don't agree that looking at performances over a calendar year is meaningless.
I fully expect us to be comfortably top 4 this season. There's no reason at all to expect us not to be.
I also don't really see this rollercoaster or false dawn thing. I posted about it before recently. A new manager bounce followed by bust isn't exactly unexpected and yes we all got a bit carried away but after reality set in and he cleared players out and got a few, not enough, in the squad was thin.
Going into last season I thought we would struggle given the squad depth.
Then a thin, injury hit squad started very badly and were reliant on the likes Lingard/Pereira. Our form turned around before Christmas with McFred playing very well and some of our injured players coming back. Then with the arrival of Fernandes we really started our charge up the table and did very well to finish third. We could have done better in the cups but I think we were running out of steam when we faced Chelsea and on another day we beat Sevilla comfortably.
The poor start this season was purely lack of pre-season and match fitness and after 13 games we've already recovered and are in a very good position in the league.
The CL exit was disappointing after starting the campaign so well but it was a very tough group and if we didn't have that horror show in Turkey we'd be though.
So I don't really agree with the purple patch/false dawn theory.
We have a much better squad than last season and are in a much better position in the league and the team seem to be gelling. This is all happening while our strikers have been misfiring. If we can cut out the errors in defence and our strikers get their shit together which I expect them to do we could challenge this year.
That's what I see as progress.
While I love the optimism of this opening sentence, Ole is also the holder of some pretty bad records in his time here so I'd not crow too much about records matey
... but, saying that ...I agree with all of this bit and it's why I've been such a ridiculous flip flopper in terms of wanting Ole to carry on and wanting him out. My vote is currently out, it's been there since the Crystal Palace match (I think) but this is what he keeps doing and why I'm so torn on his term as manager.
I genuinely love our squad. More so than any of our squads since SAF left and arguably even more so than Fergies last squad. We're not world beaters yet but it's a squad full of players I'm right behind (Pogba aside I have to say, that lad has a lot to prove before I could support him). I've always credited Ole with that, I just get concerned regarding our sometimes lifeless and aimless football. But every time I come to the definite 'out' position, he puts a string of results together that make me stop and think. I'm happy to see what he can do with the rest of the season at least judging by where we are and seeing other top teams struggling to stretch their legs also. It's an interesting season to say the least.
Last season when we finished 33 points behind Liverpool, Ole didn't have Lukaku, Valencia, Sanchez, Herrera, Fellaini & Smalling. Those are part of players that finished 6 points above them, Ole didn't inherit the same team last season.
When you got ageing players who past their best and players that forced themselves to leave, you need to rebuild by taking 2 step backwards to make 3 step forwards. That's what Ole did last season up to now. We want high standard because this is Manchester United it’s unrealistic to fix 6 years problem within 1-2 years.
Has to be a parody post?
Out of everything Ole is blamed for, it’s now his fault that Liverpool are good...
Liverpool didn’t get there over night, this was an organic process which took years.
Also the fact we were so far behind them was an inherited situation built up over years, something Ole is now fixing. Let’s not forget our starting midfield options in his first season included the likes of Lingard and Pereira.
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