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Would you rather sign Shaw for £30m or...
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Sign Ricardo Rodriguez. He's genuinely better than Shaw in my opinion. Maybe Shaw will be better than him one day, maybe not. Potential is a tricky thing and lets not forget that Rodriguez is only 21 and has a lot of room for improvement as well.
Get it into your thick skulls people; Shaw is 18years old, he has atleast 12years to play in his career barring any major injuries, £30m is a LOW price for such a player. Nobody baulked at it when we bought Rooney or Rio at similar prices. Or even Jones at £18m. He's worth it.
Blind might be the man right now, but that'll fade. Vermaelen wont play left for us.
Blind might be the man right now, but that'll fade. Vermaelen wont play left for us.
You need to chill out. We get it. We're not slow.
Our biggest problem is that we have too many squad players and not enough stars.
On the assumption (hope?) that Shaw will be a star for years to come, id rather we sign him.
On the assumption (hope?) that Shaw will be a star for years to come, id rather we sign him.
Hold the phone there big boy.
Rooney was an attacker, and obvious top player in generation material, whereas Ferdinand was 23 or so and was an established top defender who'd just had a cracking world cup.
You can't compare Shaw to either of those.
Shaw looks as though he is going to be a big star, and solves a problem area for us for years if he comes off. £30m in football these days really isn't much, he's the only logical option.
Shaw, definitely.
We don't need more squad level dross and we certainly don't need more squad level dross getting overpromoted into first team places.
Shaw will be expensive but at least he's a top quality prospect. Plus, with so few top quality English players around, I'm happy to pay a bit extra for an English player with that level of talent.
We don't need more squad level dross and we certainly don't need more squad level dross getting overpromoted into first team places.
Shaw will be expensive but at least he's a top quality prospect. Plus, with so few top quality English players around, I'm happy to pay a bit extra for an English player with that level of talent.
Shaw will continue our tradition of bringing in the best British players whenever possible.
Quality over quality. Look at our squad... filed with dross, and we certainly don't need more.
That being said I'd buy Ricardo Rodriguez for LB, and Blind for midfield. I feel both of them are good.
That being said I'd buy Ricardo Rodriguez for LB, and Blind for midfield. I feel both of them are good.
Shaw definitely. Alberto Moreno would be my second choice followed by Rodriguez.
Blind should only be signed as an option for midfield and as cover for the left-back position, not as first choice there.
Blind should only be signed as an option for midfield and as cover for the left-back position, not as first choice there.
I'm sure Van Gaal will make the right choice.
I'm not one to care about transfer fees but if we pay over 30m for an 18 year old left back with no Champions League experience that's the standard clubs will used to quote us for players when we make queries.
I think Luke Shaw has fantastic pedrigree.
If United sign him for 30M then that's LB sorted for the next 10+ years. He will repay that fee. Like most transfers there is always an element of risk but I'm convinced from what I've seen of him.
I've been impressed with Rojo for Argentina who would be cheaper.
If United sign him for 30M then that's LB sorted for the next 10+ years. He will repay that fee. Like most transfers there is always an element of risk but I'm convinced from what I've seen of him.
I've been impressed with Rojo for Argentina who would be cheaper.
Agreed, but the fee would be astronomical.
Wasn't he the bloke who did the rabona clearance?
Or until he becomes the best left back in the world and we feed him onto Real Madrid as usual then spunk the money on a bunch of nob heads .
No, it wouldn't. Shaw would be more expensive.
I don't want Shaw. I want us to buy QUALITY players. If we want players with potential we should get them from the academy. Shaw is not a quality player, he is a young player with potential and nothing more.
Going by that logic we should have never bought Rooney or Ronaldo and look how it turned out. Shaw already has a certain quality and isn't just some young player. United is about going for players like Shaw, who are not the finished product yet, but will develop into exactly that sort of player.
Ultimately it's a balance with no correct answer. Extreme examples but at 19, Shaw could turn out like Ronaldo or like Anderson. Talent doesn't always manifest, potential is not always reached. Therefore no matter what anyone says about Shaw, 30m is a very big risk. Not necessarily one that shouldn't be taken, but one which certainly needs much more consideration than the wannabee oligarches we appear to have in this thread in some occasions.
Having said that, in this particular case, I'd probably go for Shaw even though I'm concerned about the cost and the size of the contract we are offering. But like I said, my issue isn't with taking the risk, it's with those posters who seem to think it isn't a big risk or as if it's the obvious choice.
Having said that, in this particular case, I'd probably go for Shaw even though I'm concerned about the cost and the size of the contract we are offering. But like I said, my issue isn't with taking the risk, it's with those posters who seem to think it isn't a big risk or as if it's the obvious choice.
How about Rodriguez AND Aurier for £30million combined. 2 players who are both better for the same price, strengthening LB AND RB. Or are you going to say some BS about how Shaw is "proven" in the PL. I am sick of Luke Shaw.
Yep, quality, reached their potential, at their peak, great choices, keep going.
There is a large circle of people with trousers round their ankles surrounding a biscuit with a picture of Luke Shaw on it. I have a choice of dropping my trousers and joining that circle or keeping my trousers on and ignoring the circle. I cannot join the circle because when I see the circle, the picture and the biscuit I do not get a boner.
Shaw is a massive risk. His offensive numbers are minimal and he's got zero CL experience and he's a LB.
Yes, good LBs are hard to find and good young ones are hard to find as well. However it's 30 Million that's worry some. If Shaw flops then what? It would be one thing if United would just shell out more money for a good LB but then United is then 50 million in the hole to find a good LB and LB is supposed to be one of the cheaper positions.
Yes fans should care about the money for the simple reason that it not an unlimited pot and 30 mil gone means there's only X left whether X is 50 million, 70 million, 120 million, and CM hasn't been addressed, CB still needs to be addressed as does a wing position and depth and talent after that.
Yes, good LBs are hard to find and good young ones are hard to find as well. However it's 30 Million that's worry some. If Shaw flops then what? It would be one thing if United would just shell out more money for a good LB but then United is then 50 million in the hole to find a good LB and LB is supposed to be one of the cheaper positions.
Yes fans should care about the money for the simple reason that it not an unlimited pot and 30 mil gone means there's only X left whether X is 50 million, 70 million, 120 million, and CM hasn't been addressed, CB still needs to be addressed as does a wing position and depth and talent after that.
Shaw is no risk. Its the transfer fee that brings risk because its hard to live up to being a £25 million+ fullback. There is no risk whatsoever that he wont do well in the premier league, he's already done it twice at a record age.
Unlike Shaw the top clubs in europe will surely rival us for Rodriguez. By all means if we could get him for cheaper than Shaw its a no-brainer but you'd be hard pressed to find more than 2 or 3 clubs who wouldnt be improved by his signing and therefore he's more likely to have a bidding war, especially after he impresses at the world cup
Unlike Shaw the top clubs in europe will surely rival us for Rodriguez. By all means if we could get him for cheaper than Shaw its a no-brainer but you'd be hard pressed to find more than 2 or 3 clubs who wouldnt be improved by his signing and therefore he's more likely to have a bidding war, especially after he impresses at the world cup
Baines would have been a better option, he actually offers something in attack, something that is important for a full back at Manchester United. Rodriguez would be the obvious choice as he looks like the complete package to me. Shaw is potential only, and like Jones could fail to live up to it.
How much would Rodriguez go for in the current market? Shaw at 30m is a tad too much really
An article posted on another thread said that Fiorentina are after him for €10m-€15m.
In that case, why not? Not sure if LvG will be interested though
Indeed
Forget it. Buy someone who would rather show off than simply clear the ball? He's the defending equivalent of Rene Haguita, and remember how his showboating got the better of him eventually.
Shaw offers dribbling and crossing in attack
Oh and Rojo is the definition of an average player.
Shaw is a quality player. He was either the best or second best left back in the league last season (it was between him and Azpilicueta). He has potential to become much better but he is already a solid defender.
Saying that, if Rodriguez cost cheaper, I would be happy with him too.
Baines is awful, the most overrated player ever. Every time he plays against good tems his true level gets found. He is a great crosser but nothing more. His link up play is very average, probably Shaw is already better than him at it and Shaw is also already a better defender than him.
Baines was excellent if Moyes would have been here and play the cross-show game. But with any other not so basic manager he'll be a complete failure.
Agree.
How is Jones failing to live up to his potential after one underwhelming season, while still being just 22 years old?
You are having a mare in this thread.
Yeah, we really got burnt doing that when we bought Ronaldo. Or Rooney. Or Arsenal bought Walcott. Or Tottenham bought Bale.
This is why you would never be the top dog at anything. The elite take risks, Luke Shaw could go on to be the best in the world, those you've named won't.
Sure, it may fail, it may be a slow start, but there's a reason we brought in David De Gea and not Craig Gordon, to be the best you need to take risks.