Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?

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These discussions are dull, on one hand yeah I don’t like it, on the other I would have despised this idea 10 years ago. 15-20 years ago, I’d stop following the club entirely. So what I’m getting here to, we are coming to a point where in the next 5 years this trend of billionaires buying and investing in clubs might just as well continue and us being stuck with any form of hindrance as owners means serious consequences.
 
FYI Bayern just decided not to extend their deal with Qatar Airways. The fans kicked up a fuss about human rights issues.

Bayern did the right thing. We should as well.

So after 5 years of taking the Qatar Airways money they are doing 'the right thing' - how honourable :lol:
 
I read what you say and I think it’s a fair synopsis but one that’s specific to the thinking of supporters of huge football clubs.

However, as a supporter of a tiny little team / bloke without a vested interest in any particular ownership outcomes, I think I probably concur with the vast majority of the public who, if pressed on the issue, can’t fathom why some supporters of big clubs bray like donkeys about their ethical stance over the possibility of an Arab nations wealth fund owning the club they support, while steadfastly doing nothing at all to resist the sponsorship from Arab nation owned businesses that their clubs have been happily shovelling into their accounts for decades.

The comically jingoistic amongst the Arsenal supporters tickle me the most, ranting about Arabic ‘sports washing’ while their own team plays out of a stadium sponsored heavily to wear the name ‘The Emirates’ and they all wear that logo on the shirts they buy from their club shop. . They must surely be studiously looking the other way to have not noticed?

I‘ve never had enough interest to drill down into it, but I’m guessing that it’s probably quite common for clubs across the top echelons of football to be sponsored by supposedly state controlled enterprises - banks, airlines, holiday companies, communications & tv companies etc?
iirc didn’t United used to coin it in from a longterm strategic partnership with Saudi Telecom or similar? If so then I don’t remember any protests about that (though I’m happy to be corrected)?

As a supporter of a lower league club, who’s only chance of washing related sponsorship would be a small add in the programme paid for by the local laundrette, it’s not something that I really need to think about, other than for an occasional cheery chuckle at the irony of the critically deluded wearing shirts badged up with ME Co. logo’s while chunnering on about so called Arab sports washing ;-)

Excellent post.
 
Doubt it, that club is owned partially by the fans is it not?

Aren‘t you getting tired of all that sand in your mouth and eyes?

I’m just questioning whether what you’re claiming is accurate.

You seem obsessed with this angle on everything to do with Qatar.

It prevents you from having decent conversation imo. No disrespect intended.
 
I just got back from a week in Doha, and honestly, it was absolutely brilliant!
 
I’m just questioning whether what you’re claiming is accurate.

You seem obsessed with this angle on everything to do with Qatar.

It prevents you from having decent conversation imo. No disrespect intended.
I could say the same about you, you seem obsessed with defending Qatar.

Yeah I think it is a very bad idea, but I‘m not making stuff up. That sand must be very warm.
 
I could say the same about you, you seem obsessed with defending Qatar.

Yeah I think it is a very bad idea, but I‘m not making stuff up. That sand must be very warm.

I think the human rights angle is pretty much dead at this point. Middle Eastern nations have been investing in western clubs (for whatever reason) for the past 15 years so this would be the latest iteration. Its going to become the norm in years to come.
 
I could say the same about you, you seem obsessed with defending Qatar.

Yeah I think it is a very bad idea, but I‘m not making stuff up. That sand must be very warm.

What issues am I ‘defending Qatar’ on?

I’ve been very vocal about the Qatari government’s behaviour many, many times mate.

Because I won’t pin those actions onto Jassim isn’t ‘defending Qatar’ in any way, shape or form.
 
I think the human rights angle is pretty much dead at this point. Middle Eastern nations have been investing in western clubs (for whatever reason) for the past 15 years so this would be the latest iteration. Its going to become the norm in years to come.
How many clubs have they invested in? It must be a fraction of a percentage point, so how can you think that that is the new norm?

No we should tell them to take a hike.
 
What issues am I ‘defending Qatar’ on?

I’ve been very vocal about the Qatari government’s behaviour many, many times mate.

Because I won’t pin those actions onto Jassim isn’t ‘defending Qatar’ in any way, shape or form.
Jassim=Qatar, believing otherwise is naive. Nothing major happens in Qatar without the State giving the go-ahead, it is an autocratic state. Same as Russia.

Jassim is not Qatar has been your line, which is ridiculous. He is the son of the Emir.
 
How many clubs have they invested in? It must be a fraction of a percentage point, so how can you think that that is the new norm?

No we should tell them to take a hike.

They've invested in several of the prominent ones, and now that the UAE, Saudi, and possibly soon Qatar will each have clubs, I expect football to turn into a microcosm for regional Middle Eastern competition and bragging rights among the Saudis, Emiratis, and Qataris (and soon to probably be joined by more Saudis and Dubai). State ownership is going to be the norm in the coming years. The Saudis will probably siphon off a fair number of European players to populate their Saudi league as well. That's where the money is, so unless European nations change their national policies about foreigners buying clubs, this sort of thing will only proliferate down the road.
 
I think the human rights angle is pretty much dead at this point. Middle Eastern nations have been investing in western clubs (for whatever reason) for the past 15 years so this would be the latest iteration. Its going to become the norm in years to come.

Its not just another "iteration" its an insane seismic shift United aint these other clubs, theres not only the history and romance theres also the sheer size and global reach to consider it would be like Madrid getting bought out.
 
For the sizeable amount of fans who are against this - we need to think how we will mobilise and protest.

I’ve seen videos of the Bayern fans protesting - we need to be doing similar. I will certainly attend any protest. I will ensure I’m on social media and sites like this constantly highlighting the issue, I’d expect others to do the same. We mustn’t let this happen with a whimper.
 
:confused: Nope.

Middle Eastern ownership doesn’t equal cheating mate.

City chose to cheat, Utd could cheat with the Glazers if the Glazers wanted to pump money into the club.

Indeed, it’s perfectly possible that Ratcliffe could cheat FFP if he’s so inclined.

Utd have a lot less need to do what City did as we’re a huge club that generates A LOT of money.
, but you're ok with being a dictatorship state, with poor human rights records, owned sportswashing tool? As long as the club is well run?

This world....
 
, but you're ok with being a dictatorship state, with poor human rights records, owned sportswashing tool? As long as the club is well run?

This world....

This is such a stupid argument.

We (England/the UK) are hated by most of the world due to the empire and actions In the Middle East so we aren’t exactly some paragons of virtue.

Our nation and many of the businesses we give our custom to are owned by Qatar and/or other “dictatorship states”.

Our nation and many of the other nations that are allegedly fine, shamelessly court these dictatorship states for their money and influence on the political stage.

However, you are worried about letting them own a football club and would appear to be prepared to continue with the Glazers to avoid that eventuality…

It’s stupid and naive.
 
I think the human rights angle is pretty much dead at this point. Middle Eastern nations have been investing in western clubs (for whatever reason) for the past 15 years so this would be the latest iteration. Its going to become the norm in years to come.
That’s certainly an interesting choice of words. As dead as migrant workers building stadiums for Qatar?
 
I'd take Kim Jong Un if it meant getting rid of the Glazers and we were run properly.
 
They've invested in several of the prominent ones, and now that the UAE, Saudi, and possibly soon Qatar will each have clubs, I expect football to turn into a microcosm for regional Middle Eastern competition and bragging rights among the Saudis, Emiratis, and Qataris (and soon to probably be joined by more Saudis and Dubai). State ownership is going to be the norm in the coming years. The Saudis will probably siphon off a fair number of European players to populate their Saudi league as well. That's where the money is, so unless European nations change their national policies about foreigners buying clubs, this sort of thing will only proliferate down the road.

Been saying this for years, European football is destined to become nothing more than a middle eastern state pissing contest.
 
I read what you say and I think it’s a fair synopsis but one that’s specific to the thinking of supporters of huge football clubs.

However, as a supporter of a tiny little team / bloke without a vested interest in any particular ownership outcomes, I think I probably concur with the vast majority of the public who, if pressed on the issue, can’t fathom why some supporters of big clubs bray like donkeys about their ethical stance over the possibility of an Arab nations wealth fund owning the club they support, while steadfastly doing nothing at all to resist the sponsorship from Arab nation owned businesses that their clubs have been happily shovelling into their accounts for decades.

The comically jingoistic amongst the Arsenal supporters tickle me the most, ranting about Arabic ‘sports washing’ while their own team plays out of a stadium sponsored heavily to wear the name ‘The Emirates’ and they all wear that logo on the shirts they buy from their club shop. . They must surely be studiously looking the other way to have not noticed?

I‘ve never had enough interest to drill down into it, but I’m guessing that it’s probably quite common for clubs across the top echelons of football to be sponsored by supposedly state controlled enterprises - banks, airlines, holiday companies, communications & tv companies etc?
iirc didn’t United used to coin it in from a longterm strategic partnership with Saudi Telecom or similar? If so then I don’t remember any protests about that (though I’m happy to be corrected)?

As a supporter of a lower league club, who’s only chance of washing related sponsorship would be a small add in the programme paid for by the local laundrette, it’s not something that I really need to think about, other than for an occasional cheery chuckle at the irony of the critically deluded wearing shirts badged up with ME Co. logo’s while chunnering on about so called Arab sports washing ;-)

Thanks for providing some refreshing perspective from outside the bubble supporters of big clubs reside blissfully
 
Yup, son of the former emir, and he was first in line to become the next one. Part of the royal family, it‘s difficult to square him being independent from the Qatar state.

Total nonsense - making it all up as you go along

The Sheikh Jassim bidding for our club is a distant relative of the current and former Emir - he was never anywhere near being in line to the throne of Qatar and has never held any state role

This has been clarified many times in many threads, crazy that this far down the line there are still such ignorant posts
 
This is such a stupid argument.

We (England/the UK) are hated by most of the world due to the empire and actions In the Middle East so we aren’t exactly some paragons of virtue.

Our nation and many of the businesses we give our custom to are owned by Qatar and/or other “dictatorship states”.

Our nation and many of the other nations that are allegedly fine, shamelessly court these dictatorship states for their money and influence on the political stage.

However, you are worried about letting them own a football club and would appear to be prepared to continue with the Glazers to avoid that eventuality…

It’s stupid and naive.
So, what you are saying is that two wrongs actually DO make a right?
 
Yup, son of the former emir, and he was first in line to become the next one. Part of the royal family, it‘s difficult to square him being independent from the Qatar state.

Similar name, but you’re looking at Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani.

The one buying United is the son of former prime minister HBJ (Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani), who is a massive figure in Qatari politics and has undoubtably gained substantial wealth due to his connection to the state. Also lots of it (allegedly) through some pretty dodgy stuff. Maybe he’ll drop off some suitcases of cash to help fund out transfers?
 
Yes, so we can spend million every summer like City.
We’ve already matched, even surpassed their spending.

It’s how we spend it. We need structural reorganising and competent people in important roles.
 
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