Wumminator
The Qatar Pounder
The people actively hoping for it and getting giddy at the slightest bit of news about the Qatar takeover, on the other hand....
Yeah - they’re not good people.
The people actively hoping for it and getting giddy at the slightest bit of news about the Qatar takeover, on the other hand....
I haven't seen any outrage over the Saudis owning Newcastle, particularly among the fan base, who instead appear delighted they have a good manager who will now be aggressively backed in the transfer market. That would logically appear where football fans would be focused, and by all accounts, they are.
Same as above. How many City fans care about the war in Yemen or any other political matters in the middle east ? I would guess very few, especially with all the trophies that have been raining down on the club over the past decade.
Not sure I've seen anyone say that, could be wrong though.
I'd agree people who want rid of the Glazers or don't think there's any point voicing their distaste of the prospect of United being state owned aren't 'morally inferior'.
The people actively hoping for it and getting giddy at the slightest bit of news about the Qatar takeover, on the other hand....
Noted.
That’s a fair position that I can respect.
For the record, I’ll get giddy if/when the Glazers sell whether it’s SJ, SJR or Zillifeckingacus
Respect for having the debate, especially from my admittedly unreasonable starting position!
Not sure I've seen anyone say that, could be wrong though.
I'd agree people who want rid of the Glazers or don't think there's any point voicing their distaste of the prospect of United being state owned aren't 'morally inferior'.
The people actively hoping for it and getting giddy at the slightest bit of news about the Qatar takeover, on the other hand....
But the very same people who get giddy at the prospect of Qatari ownership,
might very well be people who do tons of stuff for mankind- be it feeding homeless people, helping the elderly cross a road safely, volunteering for the environment and whatnot...
while at the same time, turning a blind eye to the fact that Qatar is shady as feck and is involved in many horrendous stuff around the world.
How would you rate the morals of these people?
to me, there's nothing superior in loathing the idea of Qatari ownership (where I'm at as a supporter). It's just so that in this specific subject my nerves are hit and this makes me belong in the category that for some is 'the right one'. But then, I also ignore plenty of stuff in my personal life that I should protest for/against.
I constantly ignore the majority of stuff that has to do with basic human rights in my country and surrounding.
just living my life. making ends meet. blah blah.
and that's true for every poster around here.
But the very same people who get giddy at the prospect of Qatari ownership,
might very well be people who do tons of stuff for mankind- be it feeding homeless people, helping the elderly cross a road safely, volunteering for the environment and whatnot...
while at the same time, turning a blind eye to the fact that Qatar is shady as feck and is involved in many horrendous stuff around the world.
How would you rate the morals of these people?
to me, there's nothing superior in loathing the idea of Qatari ownership (where I'm at as a supporter). It's just so that in this specific subject my nerves are hit and this makes me belong in the category that for some is 'the right one'. But then, I also ignore plenty of stuff in my personal life that I should protest for/against.
I constantly ignore the majority of stuff that has to do with basic human rights in my country and surrounding.
just living my life. making ends meet. blah blah.
and that's true for every poster around here.
But the very same people who get giddy at the prospect of Qatari ownership,
might very well be people who do tons of stuff for mankind- be it feeding homeless people, helping the elderly cross a road safely, volunteering for the environment and whatnot...
while at the same time, turning a blind eye to the fact that Qatar is shady as feck and is involved in many horrendous stuff around the world.
How would you rate the morals of these people?
to me, there's nothing superior in loathing the idea of Qatari ownership (where I'm at as a supporter). It's just so that in this specific subject my nerves are hit and this makes me belong in the category that for some is 'the right one'. But then, I also ignore plenty of stuff in my personal life that I should protest for/against.
I constantly ignore the majority of stuff that has to do with basic human rights in my country and surrounding.
just living my life. making ends meet. blah blah.
and that's true for every poster around here.
Agreed. I bet EtH would get giddy when GW scoring 50 goals for United. And he'd get giddy also if he has 300m to spend on players every seasons under Qataries.
But I won't be judging that he's not a "good people" though.
Who?
MG I think.
Never seen someone initial the syllables in a person's surname before.
So according to your logic, if someone is a good husband, a good father, a good son and a good friend, does charitable work or sponsors a charity, but supports Qatar bid, then he is a bad person.Yeah - they’re not good people.
I know a few MAGA people who are like that, yet support Trump and want to overthrow the government.So according to your logic, if someone is a good husband, a good father, a good son and a good friend, does charitable work or sponsors a charity, but supports Qatar bid, then he is a bad person.
The moral high horse of some posters is ridiculous.
Gason WreenwoodWho?
I know a few MAGA people who are like that, yet support Trump and want to overthrow the government.
You can be good and all kinds of bad at the same time, simple.
Supporting the Qatar bid is, well all kinds of hypocritical and/or pathetic.
Why pathetic? If you want your club to win so bad you are willing to overlook the atrocious behaviour of the State trying to buy the club, well that is pathetic. Nothing going on in your life perhaps.
I know a few MAGA people who are like that, yet support Trump and want to overthrow the government.
You can be good and all kinds of bad at the same time, simple.
Supporting the Qatar bid is, well all kinds of hypocritical and/or pathetic.
Why pathetic? If you want your club to win so bad you are willing to overlook the atrocious behaviour of the State trying to buy the club, well that is pathetic. Nothing going on in your life perhaps.
Which sport/club will you move on to when SJ finally owns the club?I know a few MAGA people who are like that, yet support Trump and want to overthrow the government.
You can be good and all kinds of bad at the same time, simple.
Supporting the Qatar bid is, well all kinds of hypocritical and/or pathetic.
Why pathetic? If you want your club to win so bad you are willing to overlook the atrocious behaviour of the State trying to buy the club, well that is pathetic. Nothing going on in your life perhaps.
So according to your logic, if someone is a good husband, a good father, a good son and a good friend, does charitable work or sponsors a charity, but supports Qatar bid, then he is a bad person.
The moral high horse of some posters is ridiculous.
Gason Wreenwood
Probably preparing him to make a comeback at United?Gason will probably be playing in Serie A by September.
Feed them to the wolvesYeah - they’re not good people.
Probably preparing him to make a comeback at United?
The people actively hoping for it and getting giddy at the slightest bit of news about the Qatar takeover, on the other hand....
Yeah - they’re not good people.
So according to your logic, if someone is a good husband, a good father, a good son and a good friend, does charitable work or sponsors a charity, but supports Qatar bid, then he is a bad person.
The moral high horse of some posters is ridiculous.
I know a few MAGA people who are like that, yet support Trump and want to overthrow the government.
Yup, son of the former emir, and he was first in line to become the next one...
I don’t want this mysogenistic homophobic goatfecker near our club ...
I don’t think I’m the one overlooking facts about Qatar, mate.Ironic that you are just like the extremist Trump supporters - ignorant to the facts and spreading fake news about Sheikh Jassim
Plus a large dose of racism thrown in for good measure ...
I don’t think I’m the one overlooking facts about Qatar, mate.
You won‘t be able to accuse me of racism based on one unfortunate offensive term I used: criticizing a country for wrongdoing doesn‘t make you a racist. Like being critical of Israel‘s treatment of Palestinians doesn‘t mean someone is anti-semitic.
I think overlooking homophobia homophobia and human rights violations is
hard to explain to people affected by it.
‚I just want my club to win‘.
Our world is imperfect to put it mildly, but lines should be drawn somewhere.
Kindly post what I have said about Sheikh Jassim that is not correct?Let's be clear, you were not taking abot a country in that racist post (for which you were lucky to just get a temporary ban IMO) - you were specifically talking about Sheikh Jassim
You also spread absolute lies about who Sheikh Jassim is
I haven't seen anything from you to apologise or retract these lies and defamatory statements
Or perhaps you think all Qataris are 'mysogenistic homophobic goatfeckers'? Or maybe all Arabs even?
Aligns you closely to the most extreme of Trump supporters
And your thoughts on petro-chemical companies that displace communities? & of whom a cursory search of ‘oil refineries and cancer’ return multiple articles on the health risks posed by such practices, not really great for human rights when people rock up & ruin where you’ve lived for generations. . .Kindly post what I have said about Sheikh Jassim that is not correct?
I have a problem with homophobes and human rights violators, be they Arab, white or green.
You know nothing about what I know. Certainly INEOS is not clean, that does not mean I sanction crawling into bed with an autocratic abusive state.And your thoughts on petro-chemical companies that displace communities? & of whom a cursory search of ‘oil refineries and cancer’ return multiple articles on the health risks posed by such practices, not really great for human rights when people rock up & ruin where you’ve lived for generations. . .
It’s funny how posters like yourself virtue signal about human rights in one instance but remain so ignorant in others. You’re the worst cause you don’t actually care about the things you claim to, you’ve suddenly gained an interest, read a little & mouth off. Then when that doesn’t work, you make posts like the one that got you banned because it’s not really about what you claim.
Kindly post what I have said about Sheikh Jassim that is not correct?
I have a problem with homophobes and human rights violators, be they Arab, white or green.
As long as it's not Glazers MK2, I don't give a toss about State ownership as long as they don't play fast and loose with the rules like City have. As for the human rights debate, well everybody in this country will have bought something from China who have the most shocking human rights record. Almost everything you buy will have a connection with China directly or indirectly. India too is a basket case when it come to human rights and they own Jaguar Land Rover and Steel Works so your beans come in steel cans made by an Indian company.
Goatfeckers? The man deserves a perm ban.
Goatfeckers? The man deserves a perm ban.
No offence to anyone, and this is of course just my dumb opinion, but let’s not kid ourselves, the thread title is about state ownership but the discussion is mostly about Arab ownership with the thought that Arab’s are bad / immoral / unethical and the notion that supporting a team that they invest in therefore supports their immoral / unethical activities and tarnishes us with their crimes.
Does that sound about right?
IMO of those vehemently against ‘Arab / state’ ownership, the litmus test that differentiates those who are just letting loose and throwing stones around in their glass houses and those who are genuinely opposed to such ownership on some kind of honest ethical grounds, is whether or not they hold mortgages, investments, bank accounts, pensions etc. with institutions and where those institutions put their money.
Who of us who has any kind of money in, or does any kind of business with, any minor or major financial institution, can honestly say that we’re not ourselves in some way supporting a situation that’s deeply immoral / unethical.
This could be via an investment in say; British Aerospace selling planes / weapons to Saudi Arabia, a parts manufacturer making castings that end up in cluster bombs, a contractor providing logistic support to one of the US torture camps in Guantanamo or elsewhere, an oil company - say no more, an airline that renders dissidents kidnapped by MI6 to Egypt where local security services can torture them for the USA, a car manufacturer selling limo’s to Russian oligarchs, even a luthier using rare hardwoods taken from tropical forests to make guitars or violins or a food manufacturer that destroys rainforests and drives native tribes and native animals to extinction by using palm oil or kills it’s customers by using high fructose syrup in it’s processed foods or a baby food manufacturers that uses lies in it’s advertising to convince poor women in Africa and India to use compound baby feeds where breast milk is much healthier and the drinking water that goes in the compounds routinely carries bacteria - thus, in effect, killing babies for profit etc. etc. etc.
From what I can see I’m guessing that of those opposing ‘state or Arab‘ ownership for ethical reasons, at least 99% have dirty hands themselves and, of those, at least 98% are choosing to deliberately ignore that so that their ironic jingoistic ranting can be shamelessly engaged in.
And I’m not making any claim that I’m some kind of deeply moral guy either. I openly admit it, my hands are filthy because I bank with First Direct, I have ISA’s with Barclays and I’ve not got a clue as to where every last penny I have invested in pensions via Standard Life end up on their journey around the stock markets.
On this basis I’m not being critical of where other folk have their money but I am suggesting that some honesty might be appropriate and if anyone wants to vent racism against Arabs then they should cease the very obvious and ridiculous farce of hiding their true motives and do so without falsely badging it as a matter of morals or ethics because we all know they haven’t made a moral or ethical stance in the way they live their own lives so are blatantly unfit to be critical of others who do similarly.
PS. Having read that back it looks quite ranty and I apologise for that but the gist of it is, I think, an undeniable truth that needed saying before we gather with our pitchforks and torches to completely deny reality, compound our practiced lies and descend down that slippy slope of stupidity into the depths of a rawk-like delusion.