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Then enjoy chasing top 4 every year. That's the reality when City swoop in for belingham. Hey, but at least we will have the moral high ground.
Sad you think that's a bad thing
Then enjoy chasing top 4 every year. That's the reality when City swoop in for belingham. Hey, but at least we will have the moral high ground.
Sad you think that's a bad thing
That's a sad way to view sport. It's a professional athletes goal for sure, but surely fans can just support their team and hope for a good game. The two Champions League group games against Barca in 99 that finished 3-3 were fantastic and there was no winner in either game.Sport is literally about winning.
There is not a single sport where the aim is to finish 4th. Not one.
So, yes, we want our club to win trophies and beat every team in the country and Europe.
That's a sad way to view sport. It's a professional athletes goal for sure, but surely fans can just support their team and hope for a good game. The two Champions League group games against Barca in 99 that finished 3-3 were fantastic and there was no winner in either game.
I'd say some of the biggest things football is lacking right now is sportsmanship, fair play and freedom/imagination and pumping even more money into the game isn't going to solve those problems.
That's a sad way to view sport. It's a professional athletes goal for sure, but surely fans can just support their team and hope for a good game. The two Champions League group games against Barca in 99 that finished 3-3 were fantastic and there was no winner in either game.
I'd say some of the biggest things football is lacking right now is sportsmanship, fair play and freedom/imagination and pumping even more money into the game isn't going to solve those problems.
Just a reminder that there is no state or sovereign wealth fund bidding to buy Manchester United
A position that someone can disagree with yet still respect. Refreshing in the current climate and I applaud your honesty.I really want Sheikh Jassim to win this bid. Since he's entered into the process, I've wanted him to win.
Having said all that, even I know it will be state backed.
I really want Sheikh Jassim to win this bid. Since he's entered into the process, I've wanted him to win.
Having said all that, even I know it will be state backed.
https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/You might assume it is and it's certainly possible, but no one knows it for sure
I really want Sheikh Jassim to win this bid. Since he's entered into the process, I've wanted him to win.
Having said all that, even I know it will be state backed.
A position that someone can disagree with yet still respect. Refreshing in the current climate and I applaud your honesty.
If he is state-back then why all the stress over Ratcliffe bring back the G-Bros? Surely a state-backed bid wont lose?
Personally, I think he is a hybrid model of various consortium investors plus some state. Otherwise, 'they' wouldn't have let the bidding process get this far. He has some business model/case in his pitch.
I don't understand how that works. Both the owners and players are intractably linked to the club. Systematic abuses of thousands of people on a national scale is easy to forget about because they aren't in a pair of shorts kicking the ball around?As @bosnian_red says further down, it’s easier to separate the owners from the club than it is an active player. I can block out whatever atrocities the owners get up to and concentrate on the team whereas I can’t forget about what MG has done when I see him turning out for us week in, week out. Just my opinion.
I don't understand how that works. Both the owners and players are intractably linked to the club. Systematic abuses of thousands of people on a national scale is easy to forget about because they aren't in a pair of shorts kicking the ball around?
Err.. righto.My poor suffer soul. I empathised!
When united was owned by the butchers (I am a vegetarian) I hated united, the players and the manager! I wasn't happy either when the coolmore mafia owned united either -- all that inhumane flogging of their horses during training and races.
The glazers were the most vegetarian friendly/animal humane of the lot. So yay to the glazers!
Post the PSG owner’s links and statements, there’s no deniability of Jassim’s bid being a state-backed one. Without doing whataboutery with Ratcliffe or Glazers, are most of you okay with a) Having our name popped up every time Qatar does something shady and b) Literally being in the same boat with City and Newcastle.
We basically lose any ground on being able to question City, Chelsea or Newcastle on being oil, artificial or plastic clubs. Just because we want an owner who will spend like Fifa’s Career Mode.
It’s blowing my mind how fans are okay with this.
The difference is we wouldn’t need to financially cheat to do well like City have, we have enough revenue coming in from legitimate sources. Not having to pay huge interest payments and dividends would be good. Where new investment would be valuable is in modernising Old Trafford and Carrington.
They'll justify it by saying we're just spending the money we should have been able to all along.Post the PSG owner’s links and statements, there’s no deniability of Jassim’s bid being a state-backed one. Without doing whataboutery with Ratcliffe or Glazers, are most of you okay with a) Having our name popped up every time Qatar does something shady and b) Literally being in the same boat with City and Newcastle.
We basically lose any ground on being able to question City, Chelsea or Newcastle on being oil, artificial or plastic clubs. Just because we want an owner who will spend like Fifa’s Career Mode.
It’s blowing my mind how fans are okay with this.
Post the PSG owner’s links and statements, there’s no deniability of Jassim’s bid being a state-backed one. Without doing whataboutery with Ratcliffe or Glazers, are most of you okay with a) Having our name popped up every time Qatar does something shady and b) Literally being in the same boat with City and Newcastle.
We basically lose any ground on being able to question City, Chelsea or Newcastle on being oil, artificial or plastic clubs. Just because we want an owner who will spend like Fifa’s Career Mode.
It’s blowing my mind how fans are okay with this.
It's not comparable at all mate, we wouldn't have to cheat by cooking the books and faking sponsors.If United get like a Saudi buy out, anyone still on board will have to either accept city's treble as legit or not celebrate United's own achievements post takeover...
What a dilemma
We don’t need to cook the books, we make more than enough as a global brand to put that money back into the club. Ed Woodward was right when he said we don’t need to be successful on the pitch to be successful off it. That money can be invested by employing the right people to invest it for us which we have been lacking for many a year. City had to spend cause they’re not a global brand and a long way off it but they employ the right people to do it.If United get like a Saudi buy out, anyone still on board will have to either accept city's treble as legit or not celebrate United's own achievements post takeover...
What a dilemma
Post the PSG owner’s links and statements, there’s no deniability of Jassim’s bid being a state-backed one. Without doing whataboutery with Ratcliffe or Glazers, are most of you okay with a) Having our name popped up every time Qatar does something shady and b) Literally being in the same boat with City and Newcastle.
We basically lose any ground on being able to question City, Chelsea or Newcastle on being oil, artificial or plastic clubs. Just because we want an owner who will spend like Fifa’s Career Mode.
It’s blowing my mind how fans are okay with this.
I can't stress enough how little this matters to me in the year 2023 and beyond. Truly there are few things I can say bother me less than not being able to question city or chelsea
And how about the other points in my post? None of those bother you?
It's not comparable at all mate, we wouldn't have to cheat by cooking the books and faking sponsors.
All we want is owners that invest all the money we make back into the club and employ the right people to run it. The issue is the Glazers have saddled the club which such an astronomical debt that only a sugar daddy type of owner can really do this.
I'm not just talking about the cheating. Before any of that was bought up, people were saying none of their success means anything because they just bought the trophies with their two squads and also all the blood money stuff.We don’t need to cook the books, we make more than enough as a global brand to put that money back into the club. Ed Woodward was right when he said we don’t need to be successful on the pitch to be successful off it. That money can be invested by employing the right people to invest it for us which we have been lacking for many a year. City had to spend cause they’re not a global brand and a long way off it but they employ the right people to do it.
This basically.If you think we’re getting bought by a state own fund and unlike any other team owned by a gulf state we would be the first one to be crystal clear on our sponsorship deals, first one not to cook the books and the only one not to become hollow following the blood money takeover, I admire your optimism, but also find it delusional. You’ve seen it with your own eyes, how does the oil money success taste. How can you even wish this upon your own club.
I suppose that’s the most common approach from the City fans when they hear about the 100+ charges, under the table payments and so on. Whatever the accusations or despite the proofs, you can always just focus only on the football on the pitch.My scope when it comes to being a United fan has narrowed to just enjoying the football that I see out on the field from us.
I suppose that’s the most common approach from the City fans when they hear about the 100+ charges, under the table payments and so on. Whatever the accusations or despite the proofs, you can always just focus only on the football on the pitch.
Objection to the morality of the owners is valid, but when it comes to the cheating aspect this is factually incorrect way of understanding the situation then.I'm not just talking about the cheating. Before any of that was bought up, people were saying none of their success means anything because they just bought the trophies with their two squads and also all the blood money stuff.
If United follow suit then it's the same thing.
I don't mind city winning and United not as long as United don't sell out to blood money etc.
This basically.
Some things are bigger than football and trophies.