transfers are extremely complex and difficult to sort for us.
Wot, no transfers? It's all happening now!
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Proper difficult times as Chelsea showed. No way players can be signed during times like these. Also, don't fecking brief the media about potential signings all the time if you can't get it done. We had to listen to the Sancho bullshit for more than a year.
Maybe United should be more appreciative about the utter incompetency of our board.
I'm personally looking forward to us trying to tie up a deal for a high profile footballer that doesn't want to come and we don't need, in the last few days of the transfer window.
I don't know why people are surprised. We didn't have much money available for transfers even before Covid wrecked our finances, let alone now. It was clear before last summer...
Monitoring, Analyzing, situational planning, preparing.. takes time.. can't do it in less than year
If that's the case why did we spent so much time on Sancho? We should have gone for the likes of Gabriel, VDB and Willian/Cengiz Under on loan with an option to buy.
I suspect we were hoping to offload a few players to raise some funds.
It seems every year it's the same. Other teams sign players right at the beginning of the transfer window, we wait and wait for some action from United, but wait till the last minute to sign anyone of note. We get reminders on here from people that the transfer window has just opened, but by the time it's closing we still have the same shite.
Not sure what type of players we're looking to sign to improve the team, but we must be looking at something special as other teams don't seem to have a problem signing players but we do.
Other teams keep their mouth shut and go about their signings, we announce to the world how we are going to get into the transfer market and then come up empty.
Not sure what type of players we're looking to sign to improve the team, but we must be looking at something special as other teams don't seem to have a problem signing players but we do.
Other teams keep their mouth shut and go about their signings, we announce to the world how we are going to get into the transfer market and then come up empty.
We have much more money than a lot of other clubs that have been buying. We are Manchester United worth a reported $4 billion USD on the stock market. I am not buying into this we dont have money lark. I do agree on the outgoings part, however those guys are on big wages and other clubs cant match them. I suspect only Romero and Smalling will leave. Whoever gave Jones a contract extension should be fired. I am guessing Jessie is up next for an extension. Our club is a shambles
Man Utd currently has a market cap of $2.49bn USD.
The annual reports are freely available here if you want to see exactly what assets and liabilities United had going into this crisis.
The deadwood were never going to raise the 108m needed to get Sancho. We would be lucky to get some money out of them at all.
I'm reckon the club thought they could get Sancho for around £90-100m, and needed to raise something like £40-50m through sales to make it viable.
Love the preemptive lowering of expectations so that actually landing one of our priorities should be celebrated rather than expected and how suddenly getting in a years long priority at RW would now be a bonus
Given the excuses being served up with 2 weeks left in the window, I'm starting to suspect that we're likely going to sign no one and restart the Glazer cycle again. Which means finishing outside the top 4 as a result of not strengthening, sacking Ole then waiting until the summer to buy 4 players we knew we needed 2 windows prior
Sancho alone wouldn't have solved our problems. We needed a LB, a CB and a CM as well. What I think is that Ole had lost the board's trust. It's never really a bright idea to come knocking at the CEO's asking to strengthen the same department you had previously spent 130m upon. That might have made them thinking. Its never wise to force our bankers to think on football matters.
The problem is that Ole is not Mourinho. Fans love Ole, pundits love Ole, everyone loves Ole......FFS even Keane love Ole .
Any chance of a transfer coming in was ended with the announcement that the government is abandoning plans to trial having fans back in stadiums again. We're losing more money than any other club due to the pandemic.
And we make more money than any other club....
How are we losing more money than other clubs?
We have one of the lowest match-day % revenue
All clubs will lose same amount of revenue from TV deals
I am bemused.
Woodward should trust the process of his gaff getting raided next time it happens.
Then why are we wasting everyone's time chasing sancho especially when dortmund are adamant they won't lower the value?
I really hope the fanbase can now see they are being taken for absolute idiots by this board and ownership and that this year can really unite the fans against the Glazer regime.
Atleast get a rw like sarr, perisic or whoever and finish the window. Enough of the Sancho bs, it is clear utd don't have money to buy him. Ed is the only ceo that has lied to its entire fan base around the world.
. Enough of the Sancho bs, it is clear utd don't have money to buy him. Ed is the only ceo that has lied to its entire fan base around the world.Reckon we're finding out that without obscene wages we actually aren't all that attractive to players, particularly when rival clubs come into the equation?
I could live with not getting Sancho/agreeing to fork out that fee if we had identified a viable, cheaper stop gap. Willian, regardless of what some said, would have been ideal. Ziyech too, and even Bale for the figures being quoted by Spurs. All would have drastically improved us and allowed us to carry on progressing under Ole, whilst returning to Sancho at a later date.
Now, we are truly scrambling for RW options, and completely jeopardising the good work the team/Ole did to get us into 3rd.
If our season dives, we need to collectedly direct our justifiable wrath at the board, and not let Ole be a pawn masquerading for abject management and direction.
Ed/Glazers have run out of excuses. This is now all entirely on them.
I could live with not getting Sancho/agreeing to fork out that fee if we had identified a viable, cheaper stop gap. Willian, regardless of what some said, would have been ideal. Ziyech too, and even Bale for the figures being quoted by Spurs. All would have drastically improved us and allowed us to carry on progressing under Ole, whilst returning to Sancho at a later date.
Now, we are truly scrambling for RW options, and completely jeopardising the good work the team/Ole did to get us into 3rd.
If our season dives, we need to collectedly direct our justifiable wrath at the board, and not let Ole be a pawn masquerading for abject management and direction.
Ed/Glazers have run out of excuses. This is now all entirely on them.
I suspect that's somewhere close to the mark, albeit I suspect we might have pushed the boat out if Dortmund had allowed us to structure it in a very favourable long term way. Which I don't think they were ever going to, as I'm guessing they want year one of the proceeds of Sancho's sale to pay for his replacement and offset the losses incurred by Covid this season.
Love the preemptive lowering of expectations so that actually landing one of our priorities should be celebrated rather than expected and how suddenly getting in a years long priority at RW would now be a bonus
Given the excuses being served up with 2 weeks left in the window, I'm starting to suspect that we're likely going to sign no one and restart the Glazer cycle again. Which means finishing outside the top 4 as a result of not strengthening, sacking Ole then waiting until the summer to buy 4 players we knew we needed 2 windows prior
The only difference now is, that Ole has bought really well. I doubt next manager will want Maguire/ AWB/ Bruno out.
We have the largest matchday revenues of any club in Europe, do we not? Hence, we are losing more money than any club in Europe, and will continue to do so for the duration of this pandemic (which looks set to continue for at least another six months).
I don`t know if this have been mentioned before, but if we can get rid of some deadwood like Smalling, Pereira, Rojo, Lingaard and so on, you will see some more action on incomings. Probably Sancho if Smalling and Lingaard goes, I bet.
Real Madrid have the largest match day revenue actually. We are 4th.
Our match day revenue is £111m compared to Arsenal at £96m, Spurs at £82m and Liverpool at £81m.
So we lose out £15m less than Arsenal. However how much more commercial revenue do we have compared to any other PL club?
Now look at how much Arsenal, Spurs have spent in comparison to us.
We also have Champions League $$$ this season that both Arsenal and Spurs don't.
This is my feeling too but it comes back round to continuing incompetence either way.
Even our attempts to rectify the problem (which is self created to begin with) have been fumbling and stupid. Like last year when we had a third of our squad in the last year of their contracts to try and drive the wage bill down, so couldn't get a performance out of any of them, and then had to offer them all contracts anyway because it wasn't feasable to lose so many players in one go.
And we do also still have the ability to spend more. The revenue would allow it except for the ownership situation. So I still think people are quite right to be as critical as they want when other clubs with less revenue can not only out spend us but also act far more intelligently in general.
And even in spite of all that, we could have signed Haaland, Bellingham, etc. without breaking our spending budget. We could have signed Fernandes 6 months earlier and the only real difference revenue wise would have been if we'd ended up 5th last season as a result of waiting half of it to sign Fernandes.
The situation with our finances can explain the lack of big spending. Unfortunately it doesn't explain the sheer amount of stupid.
Exactly. Thank you.
This is the reason I do not understand some fans buy into this no money. I do appreciate covid has had a massive effect on clubs finances.
You cannot use that as an excuse after Ed Woodward has said we can ride this out, we are financially well off etc.
Then we have additional £140m rolling credit if we need to dip into it.
the glazers are more than comfortable where we are, following from on from our very successful 19-20 season, we still have a perfectly capable squad to mount a serious challenge for the fourth place trophy.
No issue with any of that. Our transfer business has been largely abysmal.
The crazy thing about out transfer activity is that its not even that hard to improve us. I know a lot of us have gone crazy for Sancho but players significantly worse than Sancho would raise the level of our squad.
Imagine as an alternative to Mason Greenwood, we had a right winger who is comfortable taking a full back on down the outside and crossing the ball instead of James and Mata: two players whose only directions are sideways or backwards.
Imagine as an alternative to our current fullbacks we actually had players who could cross and stretch the play when the centre is congested? Fullbacks who didn't get positionally compromised when the ball is out wide.
Imagine as an alternative to Lindelof we had a centre half with real recovery pace and physicality?
What we're asking for is not Messi, Kimmich and Koulibaly. There are, literally, hundreds of players we could sign who could make us better. This approach of getting the absolute best or stick with players like Andreas and Rojo is unexplainable.
Imagine as an alternative to Mason Greenwood, we had a right winger who is comfortable taking a full back on down the outside and crossing the ball instead of James and Mata: two players whose only directions are sideways or backwards.
Imagine as an alternative to our current fullbacks we actually had players who could cross and stretch the play when the centre is congested? Fullbacks who didn't get positionally compromised when the ball is out wide.
Imagine as an alternative to Lindelof we had a centre half with real recovery pace and physicality?
What we're asking for is not Messi, Kimmich and Koulibaly. There are, literally, hundreds of players we could sign who could make us better. This approach of getting the absolute best or stick with players like Andreas and Rojo is unexplainable.
We also haven't just spent a fortune on a new stadium like Spurs recently have
Like. Absolutely spot on. What’s just as maddening is that these types of players are disappearing every day whilst we think about, maybe / possibly, plan to, make bids for sancho.
Monitoring United. Preparing a bid FC. We're a proper banter club these days.
We need David Brooks. Mason is the top talent in the world and Brooks would be happy being a squad player. Get Perisic for the left so there’s a bit of experience competing with Rashford and we have a quality attack with good back-up options.
Or you know, pay the money for Sancho and we have 4 of the best young forwards in the world. It would be suicide to leave our attack the way it is with Dan James and Lingard filling in.
Or you know, pay the money for Sancho and we have 4 of the best young forwards in the world. It would be suicide to leave our attack the way it is with Dan James and Lingard filling in.
Then we are stuck with Brooks and James on our books: both deadwood in 2 years time
It's a scary enough thought going into a normal season, but this season? It would be an absolute car crash, basically sealing our fate in the first month of the season.