Wot, no transfers? It's all happening now!

yamo123x said:
Every day that goes by the more toxic it is becoming and the more desperate we become.

Poor planning, poor negotiating and worst of all, poor use of the media.

We do not have a centre forward, a target man, someone to hold up the ball and compete in the box aerially. Jiminez? Dzeko ? Feck me id take danny ings now.

We need an imposing quick centre back if we are going to play 4-4-2..Umpeceano surely we can get this guy done, he can leave for 42m euro next summer.

Finally a flair player who can carry the ball and commit players, watching Traore for wolves last night, surely he must be a gettable option?

Long week 0r so ahead
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The trouble is Utd were happy to settle for the cheap option of keeping Ighalo until January rather than buying someone in this window.

We really should have been monitoring Upamecano's conteact situation all season but instead declared interest when it was too late.

Sancho we have been trying to play poker with Dortmund convinced they would fold however this has backfired spectacularly and make us look stupid.
 
Looking grim with little time left in the window.

We needed to act fast and ruthlessly, and bar Sanchez leaving and Donny coming - we have the exact same squad as last season. Last seasons squad wasnt good enough and those around us have improved, some massively. So we are already behind.

We were already so far behind and we have been the least pro active club in the premier league - which means we are even further behind. Oh, and the season has already started and with such tight margins for top 4, we are already behind where we need to be. Losing at home on day 1 is not acceptable at all.

I can accept we will get linked to a lot of players, and a lot of the rumours will be click bait bullshit. What I cannot accept is no action at all from board level.

It's so painstakingly obvious where our flaws are and we do nothing about it.

I can easily highlight 8 players who have no future in this squad:
Jones/Rojo/Smalling/Lingard/Periera/Dalot/Mata/Romero
Thats EIGHT without looking at players who are currently getting game time and could easily be replaced:
Lindelof/Bailly/Pogba/Matic/McTominey/Mata

Not taking into account our only backup striker is on loan until January.

Before we even get into the Sancho thing, if we just look at our squad and what we need to do in terms of transfers out it's a massive job that needed proactive thoughts and ruthlessness.

Haggling over 2 bastard million for Smalling? Just get him sold! We dont want him.

Our boards obsession with tying players down on enormous contracts and battling for the perfect transfer fee is insane! See how we handled Darmian. Shambolic, we will pay these players so much in wages its surely for the better of the squad to take a hit on the fee - get them off the books and actually sign players who can contribute.

If we keep even a portion of the above players for another season - we are never going to improve. We will never transition the squad until the board step up and do what right or the football team.

Going into this season - I was so optimistic and hopeful of a good solid window.

Seeing us so inactive and left behind is painful. Watching that Palace game just sucked the life out of me.

We could have got all our business done by now, easily. Even if we sign Sancho now, for the price we would have paid weeks ago just goes to show how inept Woodward and Judge are. Sancho is not enough though - we needed 6/7 out and 4 in. Looking like 1 out and 2 maybe 3 in.

Having quality throughout the squad will only make our better players better. There is no competition for places right now and thats a massive negative for us.
 
Zen86 said:
Indeed. Before you know it we’re paying twice the price for everyone we look at. We’re already suffering a bit of that due to past transfer dealings IMO.
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Exactly right. The only way to reverse that trend, to make agents and clubs aware of our new strategy, is to stick to our guns and ultimately set a price and stick to it. Lose out on enough until said clubs and agents see we are no longer a yes club. Course that’s gonna hurt us in the short term and fans are just not going to accept it.
 
What these fecktards (Woodword and Co) don't realise is how important momentum and perception is in football and not just for the fanbase or the rest of the outside world but also clearly for the squad (and management teams) morale. You come off what was looking like a disastrous season half way through ending up 3rd and do absolutely nothing to grab that chance to build on that and push on IMMEDIATELY.

Lets face it, we got 3rd by the skin or our teeth in the end and had there been more games given our form it probably wouldn't have lasted. The initial push and our great form after the break had clearly gone and we had no backup to our first eleven. However all that being said we actually manage to get 3rd and then what....nothing, absolutely nothing.

And this is what these bean counters dont seem to understand, football is all about momentum and perception, signing Sancho in the following few weeks was actually critical. It would have sent a clear message to everyone both outside and inside our club that we mean to build on (what was very shaken ground) the good work in the seasons end and capitalise on this opportunity of finishing in the top 3. Some pundits and journalists had us for a title push next season at that stage all based on getting Sancho (and a few other key additions.)

But no we dragged our heels for no reason and have let it get to the stage where the media, our fan base and ultimately our team and staff have lost any bit of momentum gained and we are again back to step 1 again in trying to rebuild.

And as others have pointed out its got to the stage even that if we actually manage to get the additions we want there is so much negative energy and pressure now that the net result is they won't even have the same effect as if we'd signed them early in the window when everything was looking positive, they 'd be effectively coming into a different type of team now then it was then.

It's all just beyond idiotic really.
 
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It's really infuriating how little ambition we have.

Why fight tooth and nail last season to make top 4 only to basically throw it away this season?:
 
kirk buttercup said:
because we dont lose sponsorship money now we have CL . We are all about sponsorship what's happening on the pitch is secondary
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Well we stand to lose CL money and about half of Pogbas actual value when he doesn't sign a new contract due to our lack of ambition.
 
Still need the priority left back, centre back and right winger that we did at the start of this shitty window.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Still need the priority left back, centre back and right winger that we did at the start of this shitty window.
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It really is quite amazing that the only player we've signed was in the one position we probably didn't need anyone. Would've only been more confusing if we'd gone out and got an out and out Left winger
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Still need the priority left back, centre back and right winger that we did at the start of this shitty window.
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Still optimistic we can get a LB & RW but may not be even our second choice targets,in regards to CB it's pay extra for Upamecano or go with what we have.
 
The optimism that Manutd had at the end of the season, one would have thought, get 2/3 signings in and the fans will be really positive, the mood will be great and we can look forward to new season.

Instead, do feck all have the fan base all negative, start the season off crap, watch LFC stroll to another title.

A joke this is becoming now.
 
Fcking depressing. Last pre season all over again. Failing to bring in players we desperately need. Who can actually believe from all the positive Sancho news filtering out in July that we haven’t signed him. Seemed a formality until Ed decided to try and get smart. It’ll be a struggle this season. Then we might lose some players next season and it all starts all over again.
 
We can’t even conclude a deal for Telles in a timely and efficient manner when the player wants to leave, has agreed personal terms and is on the last year of his deal. Von de Beek was painless because Madrid and Edwin made it easy for us. 1 maybe 2 incomings at most.
 
Giggsy13 said:
We can’t even conclude a deal for Telles in a timely and efficient manner when the player wants to leave, has agreed personal terms and is on the last year of his deal. Von de Beek was painless because Madrid and Edwin made it easy for us. 1 maybe 2 incomings at most.
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Yeah think Telles & Sarr is best we can hope for,yes I don't think it's good enough either but there is no way Jadon is leaving this late in the window.

Maybe a chance of DM cover in Brozovic or LW in Perisic if Inter really want Smalling but remember that story first came from a crap italian source.
 
romufc said:
The optimism that Manutd had at the end of the season, one would have thought, get 2/3 signings in and the fans will be really positive, the mood will be great and we can look forward to new season.

Instead, do feck all have the fan base all negative, start the season off crap, watch LFC stroll to another title.

A joke this is becoming now.
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It's become far to apparent top4 and CL football is the short term goal and the owners are probably be happy with. Not the fans or Ole or the players will be happy with. United as a brand has been financially strong since Ed took the helm. Signing sponsor after sponsor and bringing in large money from Nike, Adidas, and Chevrolet. Then comes the news about Chevrolet not being happy about the deal they gave United. That looks to be ending and we haven't heard about any other sponsors for some time. Now we have COVID to contend with. Companies are tightening their wallets and we're going to lose sponsor revenue for sure. That will trickle down to the money we can spend on players, no doubt. We've had the same cycle since SAF retired.

Moyes - 2 signings lost CL
LVG - 7 signings got CL
LVG - 7 signings lost CL, won FA Cup
Jose - 4 signings got CL by winning EL
Jose - 3 signings got CL by finishing 2nd
Jose - 1 signing sacked by December, despite a charge by Ole, missed top4, No CL
Ole - 3 signings got CL
Ole - 1 signing so far. With other teams strengthening CL with what we have will be a very tough task for any manager.

Notice a pattern?
 
croadyman said:
Yeah think Telles & Sarr is best we can hope for,yes I don't think it's good enough either but there is no way Jadon is leaving this late in the window.

Maybe a chance of DM cover in Brozovic or LW in Perisic if Inter really want Smalling but remember that story first came from a crap italian source.
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We need two rw players in all honesty. If Sancho is not available or affordable right now, Why dont we pull the trigger On Sarr, Telles and Upamecano? Read we are waiting til next summer to save ten mil on Upamecano or something like that. May as well buy him now we need him.

Its a bullshit board narrative - top target is Sancho but cant get him. fair enough. Theres about 4 other positions that could be addressed so dont use that as an excuse to sign no one
 
peridigm said:
It's become far to apparent top4 and CL football is the short term goal and the owners are probably be happy with. Not the fans or Ole or the players will be happy with. United as a brand has been financially strong since Ed took the helm. Signing sponsor after sponsor and bringing in large money from Nike, Adidas, and Chevrolet. Then comes the news about Chevrolet not being happy about the deal they gave United. That looks to be ending and we haven't heard about any other sponsors for some time. Now we have COVID to contend with. Companies are tightening their wallets and we're going to lose sponsor revenue for sure. That will trickle down to the money we can spend on players, no doubt. We've had the same cycle since SAF retired.

Moyes - 2 signings lost CL
LVG - 7 signings got CL
LVG - 7 signings lost CL, won FA Cup
Jose - 4 signings got CL by winning EL
Jose - 3 signings got CL by finishing 2nd
Jose - 1 signing sacked by December, despite a charge by Ole, missed top4, No CL
Ole - 3 signings got CL
Ole - 1 signing so far. With other teams strengthening CL with what we have will be a very tough task for any manager.

Notice a pattern?
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I know the pattern, which is a big big concern. From the pattern, it is clear we wont sign anyone else.

At the end of the window, we will say Covid, no value in the market. We continue to monitor the situation and back Ole as the manager. BLA BLA BLA

Do you not think there is a clear correlation between on pitch success and commercial success?

Liverpool got a mega kit deal only because of their recent success. It goes hand in hand, which is what this board does not understan.d
 
Jezpeza said:
We need two rw players in all honesty. If Sancho is not available or affordable right now, Why dont we pull the trigger On Sarr, Telles and Upamecano? Read we are waiting til next summer to save ten mil on Upamecano or something like that. May as well buy him now we need him.

Its a bullshit board narrative - top target is Sancho but cant get him. fair enough. Theres about 4 other positions that could be addressed so dont use that as an excuse to sign no one
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Yeah that is my thoughts too and maybe get Perisic/Brozovic too if Inter are actually interested in Smalling.

If we aren't getting a top class RW then lets at least get a proven CB before the sharks circle for him next summer.
 
Edison Cavani is still available on a free. 33 yrs old. Suprised Utd or Spurs havent been linked to him. Even on a one year deal he'd be an upgrade on ighalo and an alternative to Martial.
 
romufc said:
I know the pattern, which is a big big concern. From the pattern, it is clear we wont sign anyone else.

At the end of the window, we will say Covid, no value in the market. We continue to monitor the situation and back Ole as the manager. BLA BLA BLA

Do you not think there is a clear correlation between on pitch success and commercial success?

Liverpool got a mega kit deal only because of their recent success. It goes hand in hand, which is what this board does not understan.d
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World's most valuable sports team: Dallas Cowboys. Last NFL championship win: 1996
World's second most valuable sports team: New York Yankees. Last world series: 2009
World's third most valuable sports team: New York Knicks. Last NBA championship: 1973.

Is there really such a clear correlation?
 
I think we are between a rock and hard place right now. In the several years since SAF we have spent far more per season (even accounting for inflation) than prior to SAF and our league position has stayed the same. I think the board have made a decision that we may have a poor few years and go for the lesser priced signings and hope we pull through being overpriced for transfers. I don't think it will bear fruit but I do respect the angle, just doesn't appease the muppet in me.
 
romufc said:
Do you not think there is a clear correlation between on pitch success and commercial success?
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When talking about United I do. We don't have billionaire owners that put their own money into the club. We can only spend what we generate. There are few elite teams that do what United does. I've felt for several years we are going to lose the commercial lore we've always had due to our loss of success. Even if only 10% of the rumors about how the club is run under the Glazers and Woodward are true, we're a joke of a club and everyone knows it.

I think we're going to sign at least one more player but it won't be someone we need to take us to the next level. I don't think we're going to see a massive clearout either. Smalling is off. We'll end up accepting Roma's bid in the end because he wants to go. Romero is the only other player I can see leaving this window. No one wants Rojo, Jones, Perreira, Dalot, or Lingard.
 
dinostar77 said:
Edison Cavani is still available on a free. 33 yrs old. Suprised Utd or Spurs havent been linked to him. Even on a one year deal he'd be an upgrade on ighalo and an alternative to Martial.
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The wage demands have put us off
 
Maybe the club were waiting on some positive news re: fans coming back soon. There was talk of October. However the fact that's not gone too well and looks like it might be well into 2021 now doesn't bode too well for the budget does it?
 
sewey89 said:
It really is quite amazing that the only player we've signed was in the one position we probably didn't need anyone. Would've only been more confusing if we'd gone out and got an out and out Left winger
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We need quality throughout the squad.

Donny is better than Matic/McTom/Fred/Periera/Lingard/Mata and will probably displace Pogba once we realise he is all hype no substance.

We need two attackers in this window - currently we have Rashford and James as LW, but James never gets a good go there as he is shunted out right.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Exactly right. The only way to reverse that trend, to make agents and clubs aware of our new strategy, is to stick to our guns and ultimately set a price and stick to it. Lose out on enough until said clubs and agents see we are no longer a yes club. Course that’s gonna hurt us in the short term and fans are just not going to accept it.
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I get tired of it. Arguing with a bunch of brats who think it’s their god given right as a Man United fan to watch a bunch of £100m+ players running around. We’re Man United, we have infinite levels of cash. The need for financial stability doesn’t apply to us. Etc etc.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah that is my thoughts too and maybe get Perisic/Brozovic too if Inter are actually interested in Smalling.

If we aren't getting a top class RW then lets at least get a proven CB before the sharks circle for him next summer.
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Yeah but dont think either of them solve many of our problems. We needed at the start of the summer a speedy cb, a backup lb, a backup rb, a long term Matic succesor, two right wingers and a striker.

Whilst that cant all be done in a window, players like Sarr and Aarons are about from relegated sides, easy deals in a buyers market. Upamecano is Quoted as 50 mil - just pay it. Telles available on a knockdown deal. Absolutely no excise to make so little moves unless they simply dont want to
 
Traub said:
World's most valuable sports team: Dallas Cowboys. Last NFL championship win: 1996
World's second most valuable sports team: New York Yankees. Last world series: 2009
World's third most valuable sports team: New York Knicks. Last NBA championship: 1973.

Is there really such a clear correlation?
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There is a difference bewtween football and NFL btw. Just incase you didnt know.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah think Telles & Sarr is best we can hope for,yes I don't think it's good enough either but there is no way Jadon is leaving this late in the window.

Maybe a chance of DM cover in Brozovic or LW in Perisic if Inter really want Smalling but remember that story first came from a crap italian source.
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I would take Telles and Sarr as additional signings as they seem the most attainable and reasonably priced deals. Sancho is definitely not happening now. A DM would be wise but we’ve left it too late. Whatever happens, this window will be viewed again as a missed opportunity to close the gap.
 
My biggest annoyance right now is players sales:

Barcelona:
Vidal
Arthur
Rakitic
Turan
Cucurella
Suarez
Puig
Cuenca

All gone or on their way out of the door this window.

United:
Fecking no one...
 
crossy1686 said:
My biggest annoyance right now is players sales:

Barcelona:
Vidal
Arthur
Rakitic
Turan
Cucurella
Suarez
Puig
Cuenca

All gone or on their way out of the door this window.

United:
Fecking no one...
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We are just rubbish at buying and selling players simple as that.

We are not a well run club just a shambles of a club
 
romufc said:
There is a difference bewtween football and NFL btw. Just incase you didnt know.
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Obviously, but not as much as you think considering we've been a champions league yo-yo club for 7 years, haven't come close to winning the premier league in that time and are yet still earning really well. I'm not saying we're going to be the most valuable football team, and yes we will likely fall down the rankings without winning again. However, we're an extremely robust and valuable brand even if we don't win. The return on investment for the Glazers will still be significant without having to invest further. They can continue to milk us for years to come.
 
Traub said:
Obviously, but not as much as you think considering we've been a champions league yo-yo club for 7 years, haven't come close to winning the premier league in that time and are yet still earning really well. I'm not saying we're going to be the most valuable football team, and yes we will likely fall down the rankings without winning again. However, we're an extremely robust and valuable brand even if we don't win. The return on investment for the Glazers will still be significant without having to invest further. They can continue to milk us for years to come.
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Well, We will always be a commercial giant because of the history and the size of the club.

However, those deals were mega deals worth up to 7-10 years which we signed on the back of good seasons.

These deals are now going to expire, we will need to find new deals.

Look at how much spurs and liverpool have grown because of their on field success, Spurs haven't even won a trophy, just being really competitive helps too.

We are more a laughing stock when it comes to product.
 
Jezpeza said:
We need two rw players in all honesty. If Sancho is not available or affordable right now, Why dont we pull the trigger On Sarr, Telles and Upamecano? Read we are waiting til next summer to save ten mil on Upamecano or something like that. May as well buy him now we need him.

Its a bullshit board narrative - top target is Sancho but cant get him. fair enough. Theres about 4 other positions that could be addressed so dont use that as an excuse to sign no one
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That is a very dangerous game to play given how short we are, as what happens if we get injuries to the main players we depend on and we don't get CL, what happens if we get 4th but finish just as far behind top 2, will he even want to come here and all that before if another few top clubs that are challenging for top honours come in for the lad.
 
patty123 said:
That is a very dangerous game to play given how short we are, as what happens if we get injuries to the main players we depend on and we don't get CL, what happens if we get 4th but finish just as far behind top 2, will he even want to come here and all that before if another few top clubs that are challenging for top honours come in for the lad.
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Yeah. He has a buyout clause next year Which saves ten million on his current asking price. So essentially any top european club needing a good centre back will match it and we wont get him
 
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