Woodward (old thread)

[RedRover]

Indeed. I find it all exciting, perhaps I'm being naive but if we are turning Cesc away then it seems to me that we're going after a bigger fish. I'll be patient and judge our Summer once the window closes. There's a World Cup to keep us distracted! My hope of a Kroos/Vidal partnership is still alive!

We have money to burn and will have, I suspect various players in mind with negotiations probably ongoing.

Nothing will happen for most players until after the World Cup because they're concentrating on the job in hand.

People need to be patient instead of being so negative before the club have had chance to do anything. If nothing materialises then the club can be rightly criticised but not until.

 

[Plugsy]

Pretty much. Not signing our targets is reason to get annoyed, not signing everyone else's targets isn't.

Exactly. If we start the season or get to the end of the window having signed Leon Osman, fine but all we can do is try to get our targets. Given that they most likely changed not one month ago could explain the delay. If that's what you want to call it even.

 

[Striker10]

It was flagged from a long way out that we weren't interested in Cesc. You might be right though, maybe we were just covering our bases by leaking that and we would've been interested in Cesc after all. Wouldn't particularly make sense to me though given the type of player we need for a balanced CM, but who knows?

If we start obviously targeting someone and get turned down, then I'll panic. Until then I'm willing to be patient and see what happens in the couple of weeks after the WC.

The problem is the club come out and talk about how much they have and that should concern people. You don't talk like that if you intend to spend it. It's like when we sold Ronaldo. Everyone should know if we were serious about the team, we'd sign someone before announcing the deal. Else everyone knows what you have. If people know what you have, it's harder to negotiate because they'll always want a bit more and a bit more..

The club have gone quiet since LVG'S appointment and that's great. However, we would do well to sign a player of his quality. Not out of sentimentality because I'd sell Kagawa. I think we've lost the desire or ability to improve the first team. We need to sign players ready for the first team. Woodwood needs to work a miracle.

I get LVG will promote youth and maybe that's the plan? However, if we promote kids and sign a teenage fullback for 27 million it's pretty fecking stupid. We need established players. We have lost a ton of experience and I think he'd have been a great player for us but obviously that doesn't matter now.

 

[RedSky]

We have money to burn and will have, I suspect various players in mind with negotiations probably ongoing.

Nothing will happen for most players until after the World Cup because they're concentrating on the job in hand.

People need to be patient instead of being so negative before the club have had chance to do anything. If nothing materialises then the club can be rightly criticised but not until.

Agreed. Good to see some of us on here with the voice of reason. Transfer Muppets with morales.

 

[Striker10]

What alternative did he have? If Chelsea were the only club that made an offer, then he's going to Chelsea. Arsenal fans can moan all they like, but Wenger had the chance to sign him and they said no. Arsenal fans have no reason to whine except to Wenger for allowing it to happen. But why should Arsenal sign him when they have Ramsey and Ozil?

We should have just bid what Chelsea bid. If the player wants Chelsea, fine. Just bid. If we signed him, it wouldn't be a bad 30 million spent regardless...

If possible make a bid to try and force Chelsea to have to pay more. Muddy the waters. That's competing. Allowing a challenging team a clear run at a top player is arrogance we cannot afford.

It puts more pressure on Fabregas making the move and maybe he backs out of it. We give him a reason and it was a fairly pathetic one. "We're not interested." Talk about once bitten twice shy. Just make a bid to be annoying and have a bit of courage in the transfer market.

 

[itso 7]

Glazers wont care....gives them another fall guy and get away without spending for another year.

Yeah like they spent £60m odd backing up the British Affirmative Action appointee that is David Moyes ! The thing is we just haven't spent our money effectively for a number of years and that's why we have deteriorated to these levels . Sixty odd million got us Mata and Fellaini whilst the same figure or slightly less got Chelsea Matic and Cesc, the problems are on the footballing side of things and because the technical side couldn't deliver CL football it's become doubly difficult to compete for talent like Fabregas, Kroos or Sanchez .

 

[sullydnl]

The problem is the club come out and talk about how much they have and that should concern people. You don't talk like that if you intend to spend it. It's like when we sold Ronaldo. Everyone should know if we were serious about the team, we'd sign someone before announcing the deal. Else everyone knows what you have. If people know what you have, it's harder to negotiate because they'll always want a bit more and a bit more..

The club have gone quiet since LVG'S appointment and that's great. However, we would do well to sign a player of his quality. Not out of sentimentality because I'd sell Kagawa. I think we've lost the desire or ability to improve the first team. We need to sign players ready for the first team. Woodwood needs to work a miracle.

I get LVG will promote youth and maybe that's the plan? However, if we promote kids and sign a teenage fullback for 27 million it's pretty fecking stupid. We need established players. We have lost a ton of experience and I think he'd have been a great player for us but obviously that doesn't matter now.

Yeah I'd agree with pretty much all of that. We've spent the last six months talking up this transfer window and all it has done is create a ridiculous level of expectation, increase the pressure on the club to get deals done and put us in a weaker position for negotiation. Going about our business quietly is a much wiser course, even if the lack of news makes the fans far more anxious.

Plus we certainly need to sign a few quality players, there's no doubt about that. Relying on youth and what we have definitely isn't enough, we need to have a big summer here. That doesn't necessarily mean signing a load of superstars but it does mean securing quality players who'll slot neatly into our team. I'm not at all convinced we'll be able to do everything that needs to be done...

 

[simonhch]

Eddy signed Mata when most of us thought that deal was impossible. I think the club is now working on signing a new group of players that Van Gaal has identified and all the ground work done on Moyes' targets has been thrown out of the window. That's to be expected. The important thing was to get rid of that clueless pillock Moyes and erase all traces of last season from memory.

We've got some rebuilding to do but people need to be realistic and give the club 3 or 4 transfer windows to make it happen. I'd be delighted if we got in 3 players this window. Probably an experienced CB, an LB and a CM. We need to replenish the flanks but I think under Van Gaal's tutelage the likes of Januzaj, Welbeck, Mata and Kagawa have a lot more to give. Carrick is still a top player and Cleverley has plenty of potential to still develop into a very good midfielder. Fergie didn't throw him into the first team for nothing. He just needs a technical coach who knows how to develop talent. He'll be helped by a midfield 3.

The squad is a lot better than people give it credit for. Let's see where we are at the end of the window before we start frothing at the mouth.

Only joking: sack the cnut.

 

[RedRover]

We should have just bid what Chelsea bid. If the player wants Chelsea, fine. Just bid. If we signed him, it wouldn't be a bad 30 million spent regardless...

If possible make a bid to try and force Chelsea to have to pay more. Muddy the waters. That's competing. Allowing a challenging team a clear run at a top player is arrogance we cannot afford.

It puts more pressure on Fabregas making the move and maybe he backs out of it. We give him a reason and it was a fairly pathetic one. "We're not interested." Talk about once bitten twice shy. Just make a bid to be annoying and have a bit of courage in the transfer market.

How do you know the club didn't bid or make an offer to the player via his agent?

Answer - you don't, it's just speculation.

Alternatively if the manager doesn't want him, why waste time and effort chasing him when you can spend that time on targeting other players?

 

[mata10]

I just feel angry right now as chelsea sign cesc. We were the team barking about re enforcements and spending money and all we have is babaji ka thullu. Liverpool , chelsea , city all have improved. We are standing still. I dont care if the targets changed, we should have bought players like shaw and shown we are going in the right direction. Its very frustrating to think we cant sign players but have added 3 sponsorships since. All that matters to tge club is money. I wont be surprised, we sign couple of young dutch players and play the new manager card again. Woodward is the one calling shots and should be made responsible for not signing anyone. Yesterday I wanted to give him time , today I hope we hang him by the balls.

 

[adamwest]

He's an easy target isn't he? Pitchforks lads, let's burn the cnut.

 

[Striker10]

How do you know the club didn't bid or make an offer to the player via his agent?

Answer - you don't, it's just speculation.

Alternatively if the manager doesn't want him, why waste time and effort chasing him when you can spend that time on targeting other players?

How do you know we did? Don't you know Cesc's reps said we were not interested ...

At this rate we'll be announcing fecking luke shaw last minute of the transfer window. How do you know LVG wasn't interested in Fabregas? A lot of what people will say will be 'speculative' won't it

How can you know LVG didn't want Fabregas if you have absolutely no idea who he wants?..

People were mocking woodwood last summer. 25 million for Fabregas? lol

How much did Chelsea get him for? If Fabregas was on the market for 50p would we still not be interested in signing a world class player? When the price is what it is, it's really stupid to turn down the opportunity. Which is why I think we got rejected and that's fine. The only way to get back to where we want to be, is to drop all the nonsense and fire woodwood.

 

[Blue always red]

Eddy signed Mata when most of us thought that deal was impossible.
The squad is a lot better than people give it credit for. Let's see where we are at the end of the window before we start frothing at the mouth.

Only joking: sack the cnut.

We signed Mata only because Mourinho didn't want him and wanted to strengthen us to after they'd played us twice. Don't think for a second a rival would sell us their best player because our CEO schmoozed them.

Your second point I agree with completely and if Van Gaal and Woody don't sign anyone, I'll still have faith.

EDIT- I got done.

 

[.Rossi]

For his own sake, I hope he never has to sign on the dole

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I'm more concerned that LvG comes in and realizes this is more of a mess than he had imagined and Ferguson had kept the whole operation together by himself as hub and David Gill being good at what he did. Woodward's perceived lack of ability combined with LvG's nature of remonstrance can and will likely deliver some tricky situations for the club going forward unless he gets his act together and delivers on his targets.

 

[NK86]

I just feel angry right now as chelsea sign cesc. We were the team barking about re enforcements and spending money and all we have is babaji ka thullu. Liverpool , chelsea , city all have improved. We are standing still. I dont care if the targets changed, we should have bought players like shaw and shown we are going in the right direction. Its very frustrating to think we cant sign players but have added 3 sponsorships since. All that matters to tge club is money. I wont be surprised, we sign couple of young dutch players and play the new manager card again. Woodward is the one calling shots and should be made responsible for not signing anyone. Yesterday I wanted to give him time , today I hope we hang him by the balls.

Don't think anyone here would understand that apart from the hindi speaking posters!

 

[Van Piorsing]

Babaji ka thullu - Fellaini or another H.P. Lovecraft's book about Cthulhu ?

 

[mata10]

Don't think anyone here would understand that apart from the hindi speaking posters!

We should make little indian thread on the cafe. Then we can plan to take over the cafe. Inki ma ka saki naka. Just kidding.

 

[A1X]

Now now, let's not be too harsh on Ed here. He's already pulled off a coup. We now have an official pharmaceutical supplier in Vietnam and SE Asia!

 

[goin4glory]

For all of those defending Woodward what happens if he doesn't get our targets this summer?

 

[Van Piorsing]

Now now, let's not be too harsh on Ed here. He's already pulled off a coup. We now have an official pharmaceutical supplier in Vietnam and SE Asia!

Our midfield shall get tons of prescription pills for 'slow zombie passing' syndrome discovered by Dr. Noodle in 2013.

In Vietnamese noodles we trust.

 

[bigredmachine]

If anything Fabregas leaving Chelsea makes Ed look better, he's been chasing him for a year now knowing that a transfer was possible, sometimes things don't work out.

We don't seem to have the pull to land big transfers anymore and entering 2 off seasons without a manager isn't helping.

 

[arthurka]

I heard Cesc favoured no CL and playing beside Tom Cleverley. That and exotic Manchester despite having already lived in London so he knows the place quite a bit. He's a strange one alright.

 

[bigredmachine]

For all of those defending Woodward what happens if he doesn't get our targets this summer?

We fly a plane over OT with a "Woodward out" banner?

 

[Will Absolute]

We should make little indian thread on the cafe. Then we can plan to take over the cafe. Inki ma ka saki naka. Just kidding.

No more gibberish on the Cafe please.

The KKK love this language.

 

[mata10]

No more gibberish on the Cafe please.

The KKK love this language.

What ? What do you even mean? Does that make sense ?

 

[Moriarty]

We should make little indian thread on the cafe. Then we can plan to take over the cafe. Inki ma ka saki naka. Just kidding.

Just as long as you bring some tasty Indian grub with you, I'm all for it.

 

[Sandikan]

No need to panic.

Van Gaal will decide who he wants in Mid July, then we'll have a "cool" 4 weeks to try and land them.

No panic here

we're screwed

 

[Will Absolute]

What ? What do you even mean? Does that make sense ?

That language is the place where every refugee K from another language finds a home. A separate K state is just a matter of time.

(the quote has a lot of Ks)

 

[Sandikan]

who knows what to think about this whole thing.

Last summer we were desperate for him, and couldn't believe we made it all so public. It seemed an impossible transfer and was largely mocked for us even attempting it.

This summer, he seems to have been super easy to buy and we're not at the races, despite being in weak shape, making big noises about needing early signings.
who knows, I just don't get it.

 

[Will Absolute]

who knows what to think about this whole thing.

Last summer we were desperate for him, and couldn't believe we made it all so public. It seemed an impossible transfer and was largely mocked for us even attempting it.

This summer, he seems to have been super easy to buy and we're not at the races, despite being in weak shape, making big noises about needing early signings.
who knows, I just don't get it.

The shit will hit the fan for Woody if we don't sign quality in midfield. He's got the support of the Glazers, I guess, but it's hard to see him keeping his job after a second horrible failure.

 

[RedSky]

 

[izzydiggler]

The shit will hit the fan for Woody if we don't sign quality in midfield. He's got the support of the Glazers, I guess, but it's hard to see him keeping his job after a second horrible failure.

I read this a lot but if Woody continues to bring in the sponsors and LVG can ride on the likes of RVP, Mata and Rooney to 4th place then he will surely be seen as doing a great job for the Glazers.

 

[RedRover]

How do you know we did? Don't you know Cesc's reps said we were not interested ...

At this rate we'll be announcing fecking luke shaw last minute of the transfer window. How do you know LVG wasn't interested in Fabregas? A lot of what people will say will be 'speculative' won't it

How can you know LVG didn't want Fabregas if you have absolutely no idea who he wants?..

People were mocking woodwood last summer. 25 million for Fabregas? lol

How much did Chelsea get him for? If Fabregas was on the market for 50p would we still not be interested in signing a world class player? When the price is what it is, it's really stupid to turn down the opportunity. Which is why I think we got rejected and that's fine. The only way to get back to where we want to be, is to drop all the nonsense and fire woodwood.

I don't know we did - but you are making an assumption that the sole reason he didn't end up here was that the club got it wrong. That assumption in based on nothing but speculation.

It's just as likely that either the manager didn't want him and wants other players - as is his prerogative, or the club made him an offer which the player rejected.

You are right - I don't know what happened, but then I'm not the one suggesting that him going to Chelsea is a disaster.

You seem to suggest that regardless of the managers view the club should have signed him which is utter rubbish. If its the case that LVG didn't want him and then that's that. He's been given the job and has to be trusted to bring his own players in - unless you want Woodward and the board picking the team - which given your opinion of him I suspect you don't. You seem to miss the irony in that.

All of this negativity has been done to death on here. According to some we were never getting Mata and Moyes would never be sacked. It's always doom and gloom.

I prefer to wait and see where we are when the dust settles - rather than be one if this seemingly new generation of "Twitter fan" who want instant gratification and everything done yesterday. It happened with Moyes and LVG will get the same treatment if he has a slow start.

As it is, you might actually want to fire Woodward for solely for not signing Cesc Fabregas - fine, I'm glad you're not in charge of the club.

 

[Diablodave]

I read a post on twitter today....

Lampard leaves Chelsea and he is replaced in a week. Keane, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand leave United....

 

[Sandikan]

The shit will hit the fan for Woody if we don't sign quality in midfield. He's got the support of the Glazers, I guess, but it's hard to see him keeping his job after a second horrible failure.

should be moved back to where he came from.

It does make you smile wryly when you remember our club boasting that we had a succession plan and wouldn't make mistakes like in the past. And then we let the two key men go at the same time, and make a colossal mess of it all.

 

[Sandikan]

I don't know we did - but you are making an assumption that the sole reason he didn't end up here was that the club got it wrong. That assumption in based on nothing but speculation.

It's just as likely that either the manager didn't want him and wants other players - as is his prerogative, or the club made him an offer which the player rejected.

You are right - I don't know what happened, but then I'm not the one suggesting that him going to Chelsea is a disaster.

You seem to suggest that regardless of the managers view the club should have signed him which is utter rubbish. If its the case that LVG didn't want him and then that's that. He's been given the job and has to be trusted to bring his own players in - unless you want Woodward and the board picking the team - which given your opinion of him I suspect you don't. You seem to miss the irony in that.

All of this negativity has been done to death on here. According to some we were never getting Mata and Moyes would never be sacked. It's always doom and gloom.

I prefer to wait and see where we are when the dust settles - rather than be one if this seemingly new generation of "Twitter fan" who want instant gratification and everything done yesterday. It happened with Moyes and LVG will get the same treatment if he has a slow start.

As it is, you might actually want to fire Woodward for solely for not signing Cesc Fabregas - fine, I'm glad you're not in charge of the club.

All of this is true.

It just grates when a real top class player, is available, and for such a reasonable (in the scheme of things) fee. I've seen fans casually saying we should lash 50-60m on this player and that, and this guy is less than 30m, less than Fellaini...oh i'll stop now it's too frustrating.

 

[Raul Madrid]

 

[Twisted_Woody]

I read a post on twitter today....

Lampard leaves Chelsea and he is replaced in a week. Keane, Ronaldo, Scholes, Giggs, Vidic, Ferdinand leave United....

Fairly damning assessment there. Although after Keane and Ronaldo left we continued to compete.

 

[Sherzad]

We should make little indian thread on the cafe. Then we can plan to take over the cafe. Inki ma ka saki naka. Just kidding.