With a fully fit squad, what is our best xi according to you?

[Ayoba]

..........................Onana.......................

Mazaroui----------MDL--------------Licha

Amad.......Ugarte......Mainoo....Shaw

Bruno........Hojlund..........Garnacho


Few positions which could have gone many ways

For RCB Yoro might be the one but with how Maza played, it wont make sense not to play him. Maza can be pushed to RWB and Amad to attacking position but Amad as RWB is playing awesome, making runs from deeper position which is giving him bit of a time and always playing facing the goal. Dont want to change much there.

Shaw might not have legs to play wing back role but Dalot has been mixed bag with some good moments and many poor moments.

Hojlund as a CF instead of Rashford because of intensity and how well he presses. Rashford has scored 3 goals in 2 PL games but the way Hojlund works off the ball might help the team.

Same with Garnacho and Rashford. Garnacho's work rate and consistent off the ball movement helps team better.

I'd go with this too. A lot people are picking Yoro, i've not seen him play so I dont know how good he is, plus he's really young and i'm sure will need time to adapt to the PL.

 

[Van Gaal Fanz]

Whatever formation, you need to have Casemiro in it.

 

[romufc]

There is no best 11... this is the good thing with this manager. It depends on the opposition an which players are in form at the moment.

It is working now but I suspect if results dont go our way.. it will be "Amorim doesn't know his best 11"

 

[EnviedRed]

There is no best 11... this is the good thing with this manager. It depends on the opposition an which players are in form at the moment.

It is working now but I suspect if results dont go our way.. it will be "Amorim doesn't know his best 11"

There has to be a best 11 if we want to compete for Top 4 and trophies.

He could rotate more in the Portuguese league because the competition is not as strong as the Premier League. We certainly aren't 2 deep at every position to make wholesale changes every match.

He will need to pick a base starting 11 and make minor changes if necessary. Our best players can't find form if their constantly rotated.

 

[Fortitude]

There is no best 11... this is the good thing with this manager. It depends on the opposition an which players are in form at the moment.

It is working now but I suspect if results dont go our way.. it will be "Amorim doesn't know his best 11"

You'll generally see what a manager believes is his absolute best xi when big games and important cup ties roll round and patterns in selection start to formulate. Outside of that, sure, we might see a lot of mix and match, but the bigger ties are likely to not follow the same tact.

 

[romufc]

There has to be a best 11 if we want to compete for Top 4 and trophies.

He could rotate more in the Portuguese league because the competition is not as strong as the Premier League. We certainly aren't 2 deep at every position to make wholesale changes every match.

He will need to pick a base starting 11 and make minor changes if necessary. Our best players can't find form if their constantly rotated

You'll generally see what a manager believes is his absolute best xi when big games and important cup ties roll round and patterns in selection start to formulate. Outside of that, sure, we might see a lot of mix and match, but the bigger ties are likely to not follow the same tact.

I disagree. I dont think there has to be a best 11 to compete for top 4. We have good squad depth where multiple positions are interchangeable.

There will be a core group of players that will become part of the best xi, like Mazroui, Yoro, De Ligt, Onana, Ugarte, Bruno but I can see him rotating the high action positions.

For instance, in a big game or important game, he may start Garnacho 10 one game and Rashford in another game.

Away from home we may go defensive and play Mazroui RWB and Amad 10 and if we play the same team at home will be an attacking player.

We will have a core 7/8 but the others will be rotated.

 

[Ali Dia]

..........................Onana.......................

Mazaroui----------MDL--------------Licha

Amad.......Ugarte......Mainoo....Shaw

Bruno........Hojlund..........Garnacho


Few positions which could have gone many ways

For RCB Yoro might be the one but with how Maza played, it wont make sense not to play him. Maza can be pushed to RWB and Amad to attacking position but Amad as RWB is playing awesome, making runs from deeper position which is giving him bit of a time and always playing facing the goal. Dont want to change much there.

Shaw might not have legs to play wing back role but Dalot has been mixed bag with some good moments and many poor moments.

Hojlund as a CF instead of Rashford because of intensity and how well he presses. Rashford has scored 3 goals in 2 PL games but the way Hojlund works off the ball might help the team.

Same with Garnacho and Rashford. Garnacho's work rate and consistent off the ball movement helps team better.

This is perfect but I’d have Rashford in for Garnacho again after yesterday. Garnacho looks a lot more convincing and less wasteful off the bench. There will also be a lot of rotation it seems. We have a lot of tactical flexibility and a really strong bench now all of a sudden with Mount and Shaw Malacia back and two fit strikers with differing profiles. It’s exciting times for sure. It’s great to see happy players working hard for each other. That’s the way it has to be until we buy or develop the perfect team. We already have more quality than 90% of teams out there but we were constantly being out muscled and out worked and that was the hardest thing to take. The more robust defensive shape and signing Ugarte looks to have finally given us something stronger through the middle. I live in hope!

 

[EnviedRed]

I disagree. I dont think there has to be a best 11 to compete for top 4. We have good squad depth where multiple positions are interchangeable.

There will be a core group of players that will become part of the best xi, like Mazroui, Yoro, De Ligt, Onana, Ugarte, Bruno but I can see him rotating the high action positions.

For instance, in a big game or important game, he may start Garnacho 10 one game and Rashford in another game.

Away from home we may go defensive and play Mazroui RWB and Amad 10 and if we play the same team at home will be an attacking player.

We will have a core 7/8 but the others will be rotated.

You saying that there will be a core 7/8 players means that you are agreeing with me. I said he can make changes but not wholesale changes. We aren't at a level where our best players can get constantly rotated.

Disagree with the need to go more defensive or changing styles in certain games. We have to be able to impose ourselves on the opposition. Our playing style can't change based on the opposition. I don't see Liverpool changing styles from game to game. We are one of the biggest teams in the world we should act like it.

 

[romufc]

You saying that there will be a core 7/8 players means that you are agreeing with me. I said he can make changes but not wholesale changes. We aren't at a level where our best players can get constantly rotated.

Disagree with the need to go more defensive or changing styles in certain games. We have to be able to impose ourselves on the opposition. Our playing style can't change based on the opposition. I don't see Liverpool changing styles from game to game. We are one of the biggest teams in the world we should act like it.

I think until we get to a point where we are competitive against the big clubs, he needs to go more defensive in some games.

Only when we become dominant, we should play our style.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

------------------Onana
Mazraoui - De Ligt - Martinez
Amad-----Ugarte---Mainoo----Shaw
-----------Mount---Zirkzee/Bruno
------------------Hojlund

 

[Jim Beam]

------------------Onana
Mazraoui - De Ligt - Martinez
Amad-----Ugarte---Mainoo----Shaw
-----------Mount---Zirkzee/Bruno
------------------Hojlund

This would probably be mine as well. Would love to see Mazraoui/Amad/Mount on the right side with Hojlund on top against Arsenal. Reckon our pressing ability would go up another level and I think Maz, Amad and Mount have huge potential in terms of their link up as well.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

I disagree. I dont think there has to be a best 11 to compete for top 4. We have good squad depth where multiple positions are interchangeable.

There will be a core group of players that will become part of the best xi, like Mazroui, Yoro, De Ligt, Onana, Ugarte, Bruno but I can see him rotating the high action positions.

For instance, in a big game or important game, he may start Garnacho 10 one game and Rashford in another game.

Away from home we may go defensive and play Mazroui RWB and Amad 10 and if we play the same team at home will be an attacking player.

We will have a core 7/8 but the others will be rotated.

Looking at City, you will see a group of players that always start regardless, unless they are playing a minnow, in recent seasons it has been Ederson, Dias, Rodri, KdB, B.Silva and Haaland, the rest are not guaranteed to start, like Foden or Grealish, I think we could have something like best 5/6 that regularly starts and the rest and rotated, Onana, MdL, Maz, Amad, Dalot and Bruno seem to be the regulars, see far, let's see how it goes in couple more games and probably a group of players that form the strong core will emerge.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Onana

Maz- MdL- Lisandro
Amad- Ugarte- Mainoo - Dalot
Mount- Hojlund- Bruno

I'd love to see a lineup with Amad in the 10 but we don't have another RWB option currently. I'd also like to see how Mount fares in that Mainoo spot next to Ugarte at some point. Think Zirkzee and Rashford should be tied to each other as a pair, as the latter thrives from the former dropping deep to play passes.

 

[Insanity]

In the PL for the rest of the season based after the three games under Amo:

Onana
Maz Yoro Shaw
Amad Ugarte Mainoo Dalot
Bruno Garnacho
Zirkzee
​

Zirkzee not because he scored two goals yesterday but because Amo mentioned in one of his pressers/interviews that he wants a striker who can occupy big and strong PL defenders. Zirkzee is our best option if we are looking for someone with a half decent hold-up and link-up play.

 

[Robbo*]

In the PL for the rest of the season based after the three games under Amo:

Onana
Maz Yoro Shaw
Amad Ugarte Mainoo Dalot
Bruno Garnacho
Zirkzee
​

Zirkzee not because he scored two goals yesterday but because Amo mentioned in one of his pressers/interviews that he wants a striker who can occupy big and strong PL defenders. Zirkzee is our best option if we are looking for someone with a half decent hold-up and link-up play.

I fear that we will concede a lot of set piece goals with this side, but they are strong technically.

 

[romufc]

Looking at City, you will see a group of players that always start regardless, unless they are playing a minnow, in recent seasons it has been Ederson, Dias, Rodri, KdB, B.Silva and Haaland, the rest are not guaranteed to start, like Foden or Grealish, I think we could have something like best 5/6 that regularly starts and the rest and rotated, Onana, MdL, Maz, Amad, Dalot and Bruno seem to be the regulars, see far, let's see how it goes in couple more games and probably a group of players that form the strong core will emerge.

That is exactly my point, it wont be a 11, we will have the core 6 players and the rest rotated based on fitness and form.

 

[Insanity]

I fear that we will concede a lot of set piece goals with this side, but they are strong technically.

Should have mentioned that Yoro is more out of the hype and hope, nothing more.

Yeah, it does lack height and heading ability. However, the hope is that the technical ability, tenacity and guile covers for it.

The two #10's are not ideal either as neither has the ability to keep hold of the ball under pressure. However, I think they are the best options given that a wide player is preferred on the left with Dalot the more defensive back. Also, Bruno and Mainoo can switch and may be balance it out more?

 

[EnviedRed]

Looking at City, you will see a group of players that always start regardless, unless they are playing a minnow, in recent seasons it has been Ederson, Dias, Rodri, KdB, B.Silva and Haaland, the rest are not guaranteed to start, like Foden or Grealish, I think we could have something like best 5/6 that regularly starts and the rest and rotated, Onana, MdL, Maz, Amad, Dalot and Bruno seem to be the regulars, see far, let's see how it goes in couple more games and probably a group of players that form the strong core will emerge.

In City best years they had multiple players on their bench that would be the best the player at most premier league clubs. We can't rotate as much as City did in their best years. City had so much talent that they sold Cole Palmer to Chelsea. We don't have that luxury yet.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

In City best years they had multiple players on their bench that would be the best the player at most premier league clubs. We can't rotate as much as City did in their best years. City had so much talent that they sold Cole Palmer to Chelsea. We don't have that luxury yet.

agreed but we have a different problem, we don't have a consistent performer especially in attack, for the front 3, Bruno is the most consistent and it would be good to rotate Mount, Rashford, Garna, Hojlund, Zirkzee, we don't have a good and stable LWB, Dalot is only covering so we will need Malacia to play there, Shaw should be managed, as well as Martinez due to their fitness issues, De Ligt isn't clearly ahead of Maguire yet in the center CB role, and among the CMs, none of them is a perfect fit yet so I see Amorim mixing and matching between Mainoo, Ugarte, Cas & Eriksen to get the best outcome for each game.

 

[Alemar]

Onana
Yoro de Ligt Shaw
Amad Ugarte Mainoo Maz
Bruno ?????
?????

Two positions are too close to call yet

 

[JE-365]

So far, the players that I think very critical in Amorim’s system and should be part of our best XI:
Mazraoui and Onana have been consistent for us this season so I can’t see them being dropped in important game.
Bruno is Bruno. He’s a quality player. Even if people want him to be dropped, Amorim seems to trust him highly in his starting XI based on the 3 games.
Amad has been great in that RWB spot, I can’t see anyone touch that RWB based on his current form, unless if Antony somehow pulls a miracle.
Mainoo. I think he needs to be rotated and his games need to be managed due to his age but we don’t have someone with similar profile as him to play that double pivot, which makes him one of the player in our best XI.

Additional name who I think might be part of our best XI this season:
De Ligt - De Ligt has been good but he hasn’t been on Mazraoui and Onana level, there was one time him and Licha were dropped by Evans/Maguire vs Aston Villa due to poor performance and we kept clean sheet vs Aston Villa. So this makes me think that if he drops his performance again, I think the likes of Yoro and Maguire can still take his position.

 

[EnviedRed]

agreed but we have a different problem, we don't have a consistent performer especially in attack, for the front 3, Bruno is the most consistent and it would be good to rotate Mount, Rashford, Garna, Hojlund, Zirkzee, we don't have a good and stable LWB, Dalot is only covering so we will need Malacia to play there, Shaw should be managed, as well as Martinez due to their fitness issues, De Ligt isn't clearly ahead of Maguire yet in the center CB role, and among the CMs, none of them is a perfect fit yet so I see Amorim mixing and matching between Mainoo, Ugarte, Cas & Eriksen to get the best outcome for each game.

We won't get consistent performers if their constantly being rotated. Only way to gain some form is to play consistently. Goal scorers have to play..the worst thing for a goal scorer is to score a few and then be taken out of the team for rotation.

Hojlund is 21, Garna is 20, Amad is 22. Bruno is 30 and never rests. Salah is 32 and it seems like he never rests. Seems like our players just aren't in shape to compete at the top.

Mount isn't talented enough to start for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Maguire and Eriksen are out of contract in the summer, they aren't part of the future and should only be playing out of necessity. I think De Ligt is clearly ahead of Maguire. The Ipswich game showed that Eriksen can't play in this system. He was a training cone out there.

Our fans over rate our players. We don't have so much talent that we can constantly rotate without there being a huge drop-off. There is a fairly clear best 11 who should be consistently playing.

 

[surf]

Yoro hasn't played a competitive game yet.

Right now:

Onana
Mazraoui De Ligt Martinez
Amad Ugarte Casemiro Dalot
Bruno Rashford
Hojlund

Possibly Shaw for Martinez and Mainoo for Casemiro once they get match fit.
Garnacho and Rashford are at a similar level.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

We won't get consistent performers if their constantly being rotated. Only way to gain some form is to play consistently. Goal scorers have to play..the worst thing for a goal scorer is to score a few and then be taken out of the team for rotation.

Disgaree, for the attackers, it is good to create a competition, being guaranteed starter has not worked, Rashford and Antony being prime examples of that, Hojlund scored 2 goals against Bodo, then he was benched for Zirkzee who scored 2 goals, Rashford was benched and then scored twice, not saying it directly correlated, but it will create a competitiveness which is good thing, and most likely, a main striker will emerge who will claim the starting spot, but that's perhaps for later

Hojlund is 21, Garna is 20, Amad is 22. Bruno is 30 and never rests. Salah is 32 and it seems like he never rests. Seems like our players just aren't in shape to compete at the top.

For me it is not about being fit and shape, but for consistency, Salah almost always plays well so he gets to start and play in every match, our attackers aren't that consistent so Amorim will need to mix and match, perhaps Zirkzee and Rashford can work together better and Hojlund with Garna, who knows, we will have to see what happens this season.

Mount isn't talented enough to start for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Maguire and Eriksen are out of contract in the summer, they aren't part of the future and should only be playing out of necessity. I think De Ligt is clearly ahead of Maguire. The Ipswich game showed that Eriksen can't play in this system. He was a training cone out there.

On Mount, he started for Chelsea and won the CL, you can think he is not talented enough, but he did start for one of the biggest teams in the world and the biggest final and had the assist for the winning goal, for us, and in Amorim's system, he can be a great fit, again we will have to see how it goes, on Eriksen, no argument from me, he might be the odd one out of the other CMs, and on De Ligt, I might have worded it wrong in saying he is not clearly ahead of Maguire, he is ahead, and probably a better CB overall, but for the central CB role in the back 3, I can see Maguire doing well as he is better in passing and will be aided by having 2 more CBs alongside him and could be a backup option for the reminder of the season which then can provide some space to rest De Ligt in games against lower level opponents in cup games or UEL games.

Our fans over rate our players. We don't have so much talent that we can constantly rotate without there being a huge drop-off. There is a fairly clear best 11 who should be consistently playing.

Disagree on the bolded, our attackers for example are all not that consistent, so not much of a drop off when someone starts ahead of someone else, in Midfield we only have 4, Eriksen and Cas legs are gone basically, and it will not be sustainable to have Ugarte & Mainoo who just returned from injury to start every game, and you can't compare us to City, Arsenal or Liverpool who tend to dominate games which means they exert less efforts unlike our team who can't hold on to the ball.

 

[FrankWhite]

In the PL for the rest of the season based after the three games under Amo:

Onana
Maz Yoro Shaw
Amad Ugarte Mainoo Dalot
Bruno Garnacho
Zirkzee
​

Zirkzee not because he scored two goals yesterday but because Amo mentioned in one of his pressers/interviews that he wants a striker who can occupy big and strong PL defenders. Zirkzee is our best option if we are looking for someone with a half decent hold-up and link-up play.

The quote you're referring to I believe came from the Ipswich game where he played Rashford up top with Bruno and Garnacho. He was speaking about Rashford having a tough game because he had to fight against two centrebacks, which is not his game. Hojlund's hold-up play isn't as good as Zirkzee's but he too can occupy CBs. He's our most capable player, leading the line, Zirkzee is more a facilitator that drops deep. Hojlund's also our best finisher.
It's quite fascinating because it's all about which group work well together.
Rashford and Hojlund for example are not a great pairing neither can play between the lines.
Zirkzee, Bruno and Mount are a bad combo because there's no threat in behind.
Garnacho is another curious who Amorim said can play between the lines but I'm just not convinced that's true. He has the work rate for it but he's not technically good enough for that role.
Based on what we've seen so fair, I think Bruno, Rashford and Zirkzee are my choice. Rashford over Garnacho because of finishing.

 

[Insanity]

The quote you're referring to I believe came from the Ipswich game where he played Rashford up top with Bruno and Garnacho. He was speaking about Rashford having a tough game because he had to fight against two centrebacks, which is not his game. Hojlund's hold-up play isn't as good as Zirkzee's but he too can occupy CBs. He's our most capable player, leading the line, Zirkzee is more a facilitator that drops deep. Hojlund's also our best finisher.
It's quite fascinating because it's all about which group work well together.
Rashford and Hojlund for example are not a great pairing neither can play between the lines.
Zirkzee, Bruno and Mount are a bad combo because there's no threat in behind.
Garnacho is another curious who Amorim said can play between the lines but I'm just not convinced that's true. He has the work rate for it but he's not technically good enough for that role.
Based on what we've seen so fair, I think Bruno, Rashford and Zirkzee are my choice. Rashford over Garnacho because of finishing.

Yeah, you are correct. He made the comment regarding Rashford, but I think it is similar issue with Hojlund too. He is a trier and works hard to hold-off defenders but is not very good at it yet. Zirkzee is definitely best at it currently if he puts the work in and is ready to be more proactive. Like I have mentioned before, that was his strength and role at Bologna under Motta's system. Bruno will definitely play and if we play either of Rashford or Garnacho, then we have at least one player with a little bit of pace to get behind and try to keep the opposition defenses honest. Hojlund would be good coming in as the first attacking sub as it will be easier for him against tiring defenses and make use of his superior finishing.

So, like you, my front three would be Bruno and Garnacho/Rashford behind Zirkzee.

 

[EnviedRed]

Disgaree, for the attackers, it is good to create a competition, being guaranteed starter has not worked, Rashford and Antony being prime examples of that, Hojlund scored 2 goals against Bodo, then he was benched for Zirkzee who scored 2 goals, Rashford was benched and then scored twice, not saying it directly correlated, but it will create a competitiveness which is good thing, and most likely, a main striker will emerge who will claim the starting spot, but that's perhaps for later

For me it is not about being fit and shape, but for consistency, Salah almost always plays well so he gets to start and play in every match, our attackers aren't that consistent so Amorim will need to mix and match, perhaps Zirkzee and Rashford can work together better and Hojlund with Garna, who knows, we will have to see what happens this season.


On Mount, he started for Chelsea and won the CL, you can think he is not talented enough, but he did start for one of the biggest teams in the world and the biggest final and had the assist for the winning goal, for us, and in Amorim's system, he can be a great fit, again we will have to see how it goes, on Eriksen, no argument from me, he might be the odd one out of the other CMs, and on De Ligt, I might have worded it wrong in saying he is not clearly ahead of Maguire, he is ahead, and probably a better CB overall, but for the central CB role in the back 3, I can see Maguire doing well as he is better in passing and will be aided by having 2 more CBs alongside him and could be a backup option for the reminder of the season which then can provide some space to rest De Ligt in games against lower level opponents in cup games or UEL games.



Disagree on the bolded, our attackers for example are all not that consistent, so not much of a drop off when someone starts ahead of someone else, in Midfield we only have 4, Eriksen and Cas legs are gone basically, and it will not be sustainable to have Ugarte & Mainoo who just returned from injury to start every game, and you can't compare us to City, Arsenal or Liverpool who tend to dominate games which means they exert less efforts unlike our team who can't hold on to the ball.

It's absolutely about fitness because Amorim said that Hojlund was tired after the Bodo game so he needed to rest. Hojlund is only 21 he shouldn't be getting tired so easily. Bruno is 30 and is ready to to go every few days. Salah always plays because he is in shape to play..it's not only about form. If he wasn't in proper shape he wouldn't be able to play every few days regardless of his form. Amorim has also hinted about the teams fitness, lack of running and physicality. If you listen to the manager comments even he acknowledges that fitness is a problem.

Mount doesn't start for any big club in the world. If we got an offer of 25-30M for him then every single one of us would sell him and would use the money on an upgrade. It's really that simple. Mount did all of these "incredible" things for Chelsea but they were happy to push him out and they don't miss him. Odd that.

Our attackers won't be consistent if their constantly being rotated. We don't have enough talent to constantly rotate in most games. Again, our fans over rate the amount of talent that we have. You want the players to be more consistent but you always want them to play inconsistently..It's a contradiction.

I absolutely can compare us to teams that dominate possession because Amorim is a coach who dominates possession. We are supposed to be moving to a game model where we dominate possession.

 

[OmarUnited4ever]

It's absolutely about fitness because Amorim said that Hojlund was tired after the Bodo game so he needed to rest. Hojlund is only 21 he shouldn't be getting tired so easily. Bruno is 30 and is ready to to go every few days. Salah always plays because he is in shape to play..it's not only about form. If he wasn't in proper shape he wouldn't be able to play every few days regardless of his form. Amorim has also hinted about the teams fitness, lack of running and physicality. If you listen to the manager comments even he acknowledges that fitness is a problem.

Mount doesn't start for any big club in the world. If we got an offer of 25-30M for him then every single one of us would sell him and would use the money on an upgrade. It's really that simple. Mount did all of these "incredible" things for Chelsea but they were happy to push him out and they don't miss him. Odd that.

Our attackers won't be consistent if their constantly being rotated. We don't have enough talent to constantly rotate in most games. Again, our fans over rate the amount of talent that we have. You want the players to be more consistent but you always want them to play inconsistently..It's a contradiction.

I absolutely can compare us to teams that dominate possession because Amorim is a coach who dominates possession. We are supposed to be moving to a game model where we dominate possession.

Fitness is absolutely an issue and I listened to Amorims comments but even if we have our players fit and strong, them being consistently good is in question, Dalot being an example, he is fit and physically strong, runs all game, but his performance and form has dipped sharply form the heights of last season, with that, and until someone consistent emerge we will have to rotate the attackers until someone catches hot form, I can see Hojlund catching form and probably claiming a starting spot in the coming weeks.

I won't discuss further on Mount, you are clearly done with him, I am still in the 'jury still out so let wait and see' side.

On the last paragraph, Amorim is obviously a possession based coach but he hasn't achieved it yet with this team, he's only been here for 5 mins, and we can see his impact, but he also commented on the team's lack of ability in controlling matches, games against Ipswich and Bodo were hard and the oppo controlled parts of the games against us, against Everton, it was difficult 30 mins at the start but we controlled it for rest of it and you can see how we slowed the game in the second half and picked Everton apart at will, this will not be the case every game but Amorim will work on it.

Anyway it is great discussing this with you.

 

[romufc]

It's absolutely about fitness because Amorim said that Hojlund was tired after the Bodo game so he needed to rest. Hojlund is only 21 he shouldn't be getting tired so easily. Bruno is 30 and is ready to to go every few days. Salah always plays because he is in shape to play..it's not only about form. If he wasn't in proper shape he wouldn't be able to play every few days regardless of his form. Amorim has also hinted about the teams fitness, lack of running and physicality. If you listen to the manager comments even he acknowledges that fitness is a problem.

Mount doesn't start for any big club in the world. If we got an offer of 25-30M for him then every single one of us would sell him and would use the money on an upgrade. It's really that simple. Mount did all of these "incredible" things for Chelsea but they were happy to push him out and they don't miss him. Odd that.

Our attackers won't be consistent if their constantly being rotated. We don't have enough talent to constantly rotate in most games. Again, our fans over rate the amount of talent that we have. You want the players to be more consistent but you always want them to play inconsistently..It's a contradiction.

I absolutely can compare us to teams that dominate possession because Amorim is a coach who dominates possession. We are supposed to be moving to a game model where we dominate possession.

The fitness thing is always an issue.. every manager that takes over a club not doing well, fitness is the first thing they speak about.

Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim have all spoken about fitness in their first month at United.

Mount was starting for Chelsea so I am not sure what you mean, he was pushed out because he wanted a wage that they were not ready to offer.

Also, you are quite hypocritical... as you mention "If you listen to the manager comments", I suggest you do the same, go listen how he speaks about Mount and his intelligence.

You can 100% be consistent whilst also being rotated, not every footballer can play 2 times a week, they need to be rotated and rested, so you can have consistency.

 

[EnviedRed]

The fitness thing is always an issue.. every manager that takes over a club not doing well, fitness is the first thing they speak about.

Ole, Ten Hag and Amorim have all spoken about fitness in their first month at United.

Mount was starting for Chelsea so I am not sure what you mean, he was pushed out because he wanted a wage that they were not ready to offer.

Also, you are quite hypocritical... as you mention "If you listen to the manager comments", I suggest you do the same, go listen how he speaks about Mount and his intelligence.

You can 100% be consistent whilst also being rotated, not every footballer can play 2 times a week, they need to be rotated and rested, so you can have consistency.

Chelsea didn't pay Mount that wage because he isn't worth it..You are proving my point. At our best, Mount comes off the bench. As I assumed you can't name a big club in the world that Mount would start for NOW. We aren't talking about what he did 5 years ago. Mount has been an absolute non-factor.

Bruno at 30 and Salah at 32, Van Dijk at 33 play every few days so there is absolutely no excuse for a player in his early 20's not to be able to play every few days. It comes down to fitness.

You can't be consistent while playing inconsistently. Every athlete in every sport will tell you that you need to play to get a rhythm..that's especially true with a new coach and new system. This isn't even controversial.

Here are the next 7 PL games. Except for Wolves every team is above us, tied or within 1 point. This league doesn't really allow for much rotation if you actually expect to compete.

Arsenal (A)
Forest (H)
City (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Wolves (A)
Newcastle (H)
Liverpool (A)

 

[JE-365]

In the PL for the rest of the season based after the three games under Amo:

Onana
Maz Yoro Shaw
Amad Ugarte Mainoo Dalot
Bruno Garnacho
Zirkzee
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Zirkzee not because he scored two goals yesterday but because Amo mentioned in one of his pressers/interviews that he wants a striker who can occupy big and strong PL defenders. Zirkzee is our best option if we are looking for someone with a half decent hold-up and link-up play.

Amorim’s quote on Zirkzee after the Everton game: "He [Zirkzee] played in a position that suits him. He was like a false 9. That helps him. We try to put the players in the position that allows them to shine."

I don’t think Amorim will play him as no 9 in our best XI with fully fit squad. No 9 role just doesn’t suit him.

 

[Insanity]

Amorim’s quote on Zirkzee after the Everton game: "He [Zirkzee] played in a position that suits him. He was like a false 9. That helps him. We try to put the players in the position that allows them to shine."

I don’t think Amorim will play him as no 9 in our best XI with fully fit squad. No 9 role just doesn’t suit him.

My understanding is that Amo will combine him with a #10 and a wide attacking player with pace who can run in behind. The combinations will be:

Bruno - Zirkzee - Garnacho or Rashford - Zirkzee - Bruno or Mount - Zirkzee - Garnacho or Rashford - Zirkzee - Mount.

Zirkzee will drop deep and play as a facilitator while our wide-attackers and #10 will have take some of the goal scoring opportunity. The front three is pretty fluid in all those combinations. If you look at the positional chart for the game against Everton you'll notice that Rashford was ahead while Zirkzee was deeper than him.

 

[gulli_G]

Onana
De Ligt Yoro Martinez
Amad Ugarte Casemiro Mazraoui
Bruno Rashford
Hojlund
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No Shaw, as given up hope of him ever being fully fit, Maino on bench till he develops further/get full fitness and pushes Casemiro out of the team.

 

[Wrecking ralf]

It's a shame we've not seen Antony as the LWB as I think we could probably use him in this game if we do need to switch Dalot to LCB. We definitely need pace on that side with Saka being in form, so Maguire, or De Ligt shouldn't be moved there. We don't really need to worry about height too much from their attackers too so we could in theory just use De Ligt as the CB with Maz and Dalot either side. Ugarte will drop into that half space between midfield and defence to add the extra protection there. Start Casemiro as him and Ugarte played pretty well together under Ruud, and would give us a solid base to try and nullify their midfield, whilst also having good enough passing to find a decent out ball when we win possession back.

With Amad and Antony as the wing backs you get pace, work rate and the counter attack threat.

I don't think this is the game for Zirkzee even though he played well last game, but he'll be a good substitute option as will Garnacho (we don't need his greediness tonight, we need to take our chances when they arrive). Start Hojlund up top with Bruno and either Radhford or Mount depending on how much workrate you want on those CAM positions. Mount would provide the tenacity but Rashford would be dangerous in the break and looks to be finding his shooting boots when he's been put through recently. I'd probably go with Rashford myself.

Onana​

Mazraoui De Ligt Dalot​

Amad Casemiro Ugarte Antony

Rashford Hojlund Bruno​

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EDIT: This was meant for the match day thread if it can be moved. Apologies

 

[romufc]

Chelsea didn't pay Mount that wage because he isn't worth it..You are proving my point. At our best, Mount comes off the bench. As I assumed you can't name a big club in the world that Mount would start for NOW. We aren't talking about what he did 5 years ago. Mount has been an absolute non-factor.

Bruno at 30 and Salah at 32, Van Dijk at 33 play every few days so there is absolutely no excuse for a player in his early 20's not to be able to play every few days. It comes down to fitness.

You can't be consistent while playing inconsistently. Every athlete in every sport will tell you that you need to play to get a rhythm..that's especially true with a new coach and new system. This isn't even controversial.

Here are the next 7 PL games. Except for Wolves every team is above us, tied or within 1 point. This league doesn't really allow for much rotation if you actually expect to compete.

Arsenal (A)
Forest (H)
City (A)
Bournemouth (H)
Wolves (A)
Newcastle (H)
Liverpool (A)

OKay, let me use your logic then... NONE of the Manutd players start for any of the big clubs right now, so what we should sell the team and buy players that start for big clubs? Becuase thats what has got us in this mess.

This is the issue I find with your post, you are so focused on what others are doing. Do you think Liverpool, City look at "He doesn't start at top clubs" on their players?

Go have a look at starting 11 for every team during this period, then tell me which team in 6 PL games has the same starting 11.

Finally, we are not even competing yet, the manager is building these players fitness, calm down.