Wimbledon
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Who should I want to win in the womens and mens?
I hate Serena, Venus, Rafa and Roger all equally.
I hate Serena, Venus, Rafa and Roger all equally.
Vidicious I actually agree with you on this one, I would say Sampras as well but your going to have to help me out with this fanboy stuff. Does that not mean we are Sampras fanboys then. I dont get it.
You should then pray for an endless rain in London for a few weeks.
What's your problem mate? Federer is a more complete player than Sampras ever was. (And yes, Sampras was damn good at tennis
)Don´t be afraid to see what you see.
I see alot of people saying Federer is the best of all time, and im not including Giggsy PO in this category, but alot of them are just jumping on the bandwagon and havent seen Sampras in his prime. Having seen both in their prime (imo Federer has had his prime) I consider Sampras the better player. It just annoys me all these people talking about the Federer being better because of his dominance when Sampras was just as dominant in a period with players who IMO were of better quality than those on offer now, apart from Nadal.
What's your problem mate? Federer is a more complete player than Sampras ever was. (And yes, Sampras was damn good at tennis
Don´t be afraid to see what you see.
I have no problem mate, I just think Sampras is the better player. And that is 'seeing what I see'.
Well, I also liked more the "Sampras era"...more entertaining. But Federer just edges it. But that's now the matter of opinions as they are from the different eras.
Yea I guess at the end of the day theyre from different eras with different players so its hard to compare, but I felt Sampras at different times had different threats such as Courier and Agassi etc whereas Federer has only really had one 'special' player in competition with him and thats Nadal. You look at Roddick, Davydenko and Ferrer making top 5/10 in the world at the moment and you think that comparing Federers opponents to Sampras's opponents in the 90s and early 00s that Sampras's competition win hands down.
So what's the verdict? Federer or Nadal?
I really really want Nadal to win this, but I see Federer winning in 4 sets
I really really want Nadal to win this, but I see Federer winning in 4 sets
It'll be Federer in 3 i reckon.
Federer in four for me. Im just hoping for a great final, not a let down.
That might be everything right and it's hard to disagree with it. But I guess we shouldn't count it as Fededer's minus in the direct comparison. The level of his opponent it's hardly something he could change. But when I compare the variety of their's game, the possible weaknesses and so...Fededer still comes out as a better player. The level of his complexity is frightening.
Nadal in four.
Federer's forehand is slightly better than Sampras; his backhand is way better and his movement is also better. Sampras' serve was better and his volley also. Roger would have beaten Pete on most surfaces but perhaps not on grass although it would have been close in their prime.
The final should be great. My heart says Roger in 3 but my head says Roger in 5, just.
The final should be great. My heart says Roger in 3 but my head says Roger in 5, just.
You can't really say Sampras is better because of the competition he had. What if Federer had better competition and he played better as a result? That's one of the things we will never know. Let's just appreciate that there is a Federer after Sampras to watch.
I'd consider Federer better. Pete was great, no doubt, but he was weak on clay. So weak, that he hardly or never (not too sure) made it to the semis in the French open. Federer has made it to the final, twice if I am not mistaken on clay.
In a lighter vein, any pics of the players' girls? Dont need Nadal's GF's pics. His mum looked smashing from a pic I saw a couple of years ago.
I'd consider Federer better. Pete was great, no doubt, but he was weak on clay. So weak, that he hardly or never (not too sure) made it to the semis in the French open. Federer has made it to the final, twice if I am not mistaken on clay.
In a lighter vein, any pics of the players' girls? Dont need Nadal's GF's pics. His mum looked smashing from a pic I saw a couple of years ago.
Fed's bird is a bit of a pig, to be fair
No girl compars to Ivanovic, thats all I'm saying.
Rafa to get payback for the French Open on Sunday, he'll do Nadal in 3.
Rafa to get payback for the French Open on Sunday, he'll do Nadal in 3.
Federer in 3.
Vamos Rafa
Spot on. Sampras >>> Federer
No decent competition for Federer other than a couple of 22 year olds.
Did you bother to read the thread why people actually think that Federer is better?
The other players are irrelevant.
Sampras' forehand was far better than Federer. You are kidding me right, the pace and power on Sampras' forehand was something else... it was a winner everytime you hit the ball that side, I don't see that with Federer's. He hits it with more effect and spin and it can be tricky, but with less power and consistency.
Federer, I consider is a jack of all trades (although his volleying is his WEAK point, his forehand is close to being the best in today's game though), a master of none. Sampras had 2 or 3 shots who were the best in the business in his prime.
Sampras would have beaten Federer on hardcourt and grass 6-7 out of 10.
Another thing I find interesting, apart from the quality of this era he's in, is the fact that he's generally facing baseliners now... Sampras had to deal with a far greater variety of players.
Nadal in 5.
And Bjorg will unleash a wry smile.
And Bjorg will unleash a wry smile.
Variety of their game? Sampras was no chip and charge merchant, but people seem to talk like he was nowadays. He outlasted the likes of Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Muster, Jim Courier, Kafelnikov, etc etc on the baseline... on hardcourt/indoors at least... he absolutely crushed them in some of their matches, and he didn't break their service games because he was chip and charging... he never could come to terms with his movement on, what he called, the "slippery red stuff" though, but that's a different story.
People have forgotten how good he was.
Federer has a tad more touch to his game, I think in front of Sampras' power (and sampras had his wonder shots as well, don't make me youtube war you
He was the master of the running forehand), that means nothing anymore... no player has or can dominate sampras in head to heads... Federer won't be different."I think if Nadal wins the French and Wimbledon, then in everybody's mind he's the number one in the world"
Boris Becker
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7490443.stm
Becker agrees with me.
Boris Becker
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/7490443.stm
Becker agrees with me.
Venus & Serena final. Personally I find this extremely boring. I hate watching either of them playing.
Shit final. Not watching.
Serena has started off brilliantly. She is thrashing her big sister.
Serena's legs are huge. They are like tree trunks. Even compared to Venus' they are massive.
Will be a decent final as it always is between them, im not joining the anti-brigade. Serena looking good so far.
Venus has a slight build for a woman that tall though... Serena's one of those big booty porn stars type...
Variety of their game? Sampras was no chip and charge merchant, but people seem to talk like he was nowadays. He outlasted the likes of Agassi, Roddick, Hewitt, Muster, Jim Courier, Kafelnikov, etc etc on the baseline... on hardcourt/indoors at least... he absolutely crushed them in some of their matches, and he didn't break their service games because he was chip and charging... he never could come to terms with his movement on, what he called, the "slippery red stuff" though, but that's a different story.
People have forgotten how good he was.
Federer has a tad more touch to his game, I think in front of Sampras' power (and sampras had his wonder shots as well, don't make me youtube war you
Erm, I am not saying that Sampras is an average player. Or just very good. Federer is just slightly a better player overall. And I don´t see why that should be some insult to Pistol Pete. Both legends of the game.
Alright. I disagree.
Has the men's final begun yet ?
tomorrow
edit: unless you were talking about the mens doubles which is after the ladies, so not started yet. Although come to think of it your post may have been a dig at how masculine the williams sisters are, in which case the answer is yes.